How to FIX the MW system.

I will say first off that I do dislike the current system, but only because of the amount of time it takes to sell anything.

First one must look up the price for the item they wish to sell, then summon their retainer, transfer said item, then set price, repeat process 6 to 13 more times and you have probably just wasted an hour at the least selling things.

Now when said like this it doesn't sound all that bad, but then realize that all your actions take 2-5 seconds for the server to register, so it's a big headache to sell anything. I've taken to selling my random junk to NPCs now and that's almost as slow but at least it's out of my inventory.

So first off Square, please fix that UI lag.
Next simplify the retainer UI, "Exchange Items" and "Manage Bazaar Contents" should be merged.
Lastly, when setting the price on your item there should be an option to "Check Price" to see what other are selling for.

Please implement something similar to this so that I will no longer dread setting up my bazars.

We can go to a text based centralize system, but it'll just sound too much like an auction house.

UI lag though is more of a problem with the fact you're selling such a large volume...most MMOs have UI lag but it's "hidden"

A better method would be to have a "cache" follow by and ok/cancel option.(drag everything to the buy/sell window, then accept, and it processes everything in one go) Of course I guess SE doesn't want to risk dupes or something by locking down their safety procedures.

why are you looking to see what other ppl are selling things for and not just selling what it worth to you?

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Originally Posted by akisato

why are you looking to see what other ppl are selling things for and not just selling what it worth to you?

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Because having to guess a price is a good way either to never sell anything or to sell everything cheaper than people are willing to pay?

How to fix the MW system.

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Because having to guess a price is a good way either to never sell anything or to sell everything cheaper than people are willing to pay?

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you didn't answer the question. but what you just here says that you think your time or money (in game) is worthless to you.

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Originally Posted by akisato

you didn't answer the question. but what you just here says that you think your time or money (in game) is worthless to you.

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That's. . . not what I said at all. Okay, say I think Buccaneer's Shirt is worth 10 million gil, because, hey, it's an awesome shirt. Problem is, everyone else thinks it's only worth 5 million. Do you think anyone's ever going to pay my 10 million asking price when there are other ones available for half the price? Conversely, if I only think it's worth 500k gil, but the majority of buyers would be willing to pay 5 million gil, I've just shot myself in the foot.

It has nothing to do with what I think the item is worth, and everything to do with what the buyers will pay for it.

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That's. . . not what I said at all. Okay, say I think Buccaneer's Shirt is worth 10 million gil, because, hey, it's an awesome shirt. Problem is, everyone else thinks it's only worth 5 million. Do you think anyone's ever going to pay my 10 million asking price when there are other ones available for half the price? Conversely, if I only think it's worth 500k gil, but the majority of buyers would be willing to pay 5 million gil, I've just shot myself in the foot.

It has nothing to do with what I think the item is worth, and everything to do with what the buyers will pay for it.

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ok is it worth 10 million gil because of the time and erffort you put in to get it or because of the prices of the mats you need to make it or is it because you just pick a number at random? the price of an item has nothing to do with ppl a willing to pay because is someone needs it bad enough they would 40 million for the shirt if it's all they can find so yeah some could pay your 10 million asking price. and if i cost you less than 500k to get/make it you didnt lose anything so not really a shot in the foot.

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Originally Posted by akisato

ok is it worth 10 million gil because of the time and erffort you put in to get it or because of the prices of the mats you need to make it or is it because you just pick a number at random? the price of an item has nothing to do with ppl a willing to pay because is someone needs it bad enough they would 40 million for the shirt if it's all they can find so yeah some could pay your 10 million asking price. and if i cost you less than 500k to get/make it you didnt lose anything so not really a shot in the foot.

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For all the logic and reason you pour into your post, it doesn't actually make any sense.

what do you mean?

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Originally Posted by akisato

ok is it worth 10 million gil because of the time and erffort you put in to get it or because of the prices of the mats you need to make it or is it because you just pick a number at random? the price of an item has nothing to do with ppl a willing to pay because is someone needs it bad enough they would 40 million for the shirt if it's all they can find so yeah some could pay your 10 million asking price. and if i cost you less than 500k to get/make it you didnt lose anything so not really a shot in the foot.

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10 million because it's rare and useful and because I pulled that number out of my arse. There are no mats for the shirt, really. It's basically a rare drop. And, no, the market determines the price. Always has, always will. My opinion has nothing to do with it. Also, you don't seem to understand what oppurtunity cost is. Yes, if I sell it for profit at 500k, that's profit, technically. If I could've sold it at 5 million, though, it's still more or less a loss.

i do understand what oppurtunity cost is its in that post you quoted. but to look at it as a loss is just silly. i have been playing since day one (or day -8 depens on how you look at it) and very early on you could find ppl selling harpoons for 100k on my server this is obviously an oppurtunity cost, but for any hapoons i sell i would need to factor in that at one time this is what ppl would pay for them and any i sell for less than that i sell at a loss. i think there gonig for like 500 to 3000 now, i think im really not sure at all, so ,with the you look at it, im selling them at a huge loss. and you are right the market does determine price but only when the sellers let it.

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Originally Posted by akisato

i do understand what oppurtunity cost is its in that post you quoted. but to look at it as a loss is just silly. i have been playing since day one (or day -8 depens on how you look at it) and very early on you could find ppl selling harpoons for 100k on my server this is obviously an oppurtunity cost, but for any hapoons i sell i would need to factor in that at one time this is what ppl would pay for them and any i sell for less than that i sell at a loss. i think there gonig for like 500 to 3000 now, i think im really not sure at all, so ,with the you look at it, im selling them at a huge loss. and you are right the market does determine price but only when the sellers let it.

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No, I'm talking about the current cost, on the current market, and what the item is worth right now. I don't care about what it used to cost. If I sell an item for significantly less than the current market value of that item, I am, in a sense, losing out on money.

but the past market helps move the current market. the only reason harpoons aren't still 100k is because as more ppl got the ranks to make them more were being sold and so to make theirs sell 1st, someone started to sells their harpoons for less, then the next guy, then the next guy, then the next guy until they're at what they are now. so that 1st guy to a willing loss on his harpoons to bring the price down (but not really we maybe talking instead of 5000% profit he'll get 3000% profit). the only real way you lose money is to sell for less than what it cost to make.

Yes, but the old state of the market has no direct bearing on what I price my items at. I don't give a rat's ass what harpoons used to sell at. I care what it cost me to get them and what they sell at now, in that order.

what i see here is our diferent views in profit you see selling a 5 million gil item for 500k as a 4.5 million gil loss while i see selling an item i sold for 500k that cost me 20k to get as a 480k gain. i only care what it cost me to get an item and what i sell it for, in that order.

I have your perfect fix:

Stop rendering the retainers and switch to a menu/text based interface. You can keep your player-owned shops without needing to have a physical shop.

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Originally Posted by akisato

what i see here is our diferent views in profit you see selling a 5 million gil item for 500k as a 4.5 million gil loss while i see selling an item i sold for 500k that cost me 20k to get as a 480k gain. i only care what it cost me to get an item and what i sell it for, in that order.

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So, you're telling me that, all else being equal, you'd rather get 480,000 gil profit than you would get 499,980,000 gil profit?

wouid i rather? no. but do i care? no. to me profit is profit.