HELP AOE paladin

So I am having issue with aoe tanking when it comes down to dungeons run and even more when I do main scenerio roulette.

Personally I don't know if I need to mark more to make dps focus instead of having a free for all. Or do tanks having issues because dps dont care and are purposely trying to pull hate. What are others paladins experiencing currently in dungeons and roulette. I don't have any problems when it comes to single target or primals.

I dont have an issue with AoE Tanking on PLD, Circle of Scorn > Flash > Emnity combo > Flash > etc. I switch targets that hit Rage of Halone with, just to keep them topped off. One round i hit Mob #1, next round #2, Etc. I've never had an issue, I'm using Mog blade too, so i dont have the extra Damage Relic and beyond has to effect my Emnity, just need to spread out your Emnity.

Doubt this helped, But i tried :P

When in doubt, Flash again.

Yes/No.
Yes you could mark and probably help the situation...but there's a lot of AoE dmg getting thrown around.
Yes the dps could watch their threat better
No it's not all their fault

Your AoE Threat Rotation could be improved. The only time I have issue with threat in groups is WP because of speed runs. Running low on mana because we're rushing.

ShieldLob->Flash->Circle of Scorn->Flashx2. That'll get agro built up on all mobs to start with. Then you'll need to begin rotation your Fast/Savage/Halone across all mobs. I do Fast/Savage on the mobs that are not being killed quickly just to keep threat from Healers and AoE. Then drop Halone always on the primary dps'd target. once you're done with a full rotation you can Flash again.

As long as there 2 or more mobs, Scorn/Flash. When there is only one mob left I usually bring back in our other attack (dont remember the name) to build up MP. You should get about 144MP per combo hit. My goal is to be back at or near max mana before the last mob dies.

All else fails don't be afraid to flash their damn eyes out. Better to run lower on mana then let a healer take one to the face.

With the recent increase to shieldoath, its pretty trivial now. I am not saying your'e bad, just that you're over thinking it.

Add target mark number 1 to your bar somewhere, thorw it up, run into any pack of 3 or more mobs and just spam flash untill empty. Spam riot blade combo on 1 and flash as you feel you need based on threat bars. Flash is now enough to hold even most single target dps. Of course keep COS and spirits within on cool down.


Experience: Full i90 pld, tanked all content except ifrit ex.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

When in doubt, Flash again.

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this all day

AOE rotation:
1/ Get in, wait for all mobs to gather close, Flash ALL mobs. If there are still some not yet being Flash, Flash again, make sure all mobs get red name and on you.
2/Pick a mob, either by marking in advance or choose one that there is a single DPS on it. Single DPS generate more threat than AOE.
3/Use Fast Blade on that mob.
4/Flash again
5/Use Riot Blade on that same mob.
6/Repeat step 3-5

During the rotation, if you can feel you have a safe eminity ahead of the second highest threat at that time, switch to the next target. if you see your eminity is in danger zone of a Member can overtake you, use Fast Blade-Savage Blade-Rage instead to generate enough threat back to safe zone. Use Flash again after the combo then proceed to normal combo or step 3-5 again.

Hope it helps.

Wow guess you must've had a bad time pre-enmity nerf in the 2.1 patch. Now its much more of an aoe fest as tanks can pull a heap more aoe enmity with flash, op, sc etc. Along with flashing more as others have pointed out, I suggest tab through targets more, keep an eye on the enmity meters (the bars on the left side of names in the party list in your UI) and tab through enemies while doing your combo. Only after you've established hate on your focused mob with 1 or 2 combos.

As both a PLD and BLM I can give you my thoughts. As a PLD, I always do my best to keep all the mobs on me. After 2.1 it's super easy with the Shield Oath enmity buff you can just Flash to your hearts content and hold it no problem. I would do like 3-4 Flashes and then start rotating RoH across the mobs with an occasional Flash here and there. But for me as a PLD, I do it because if the DPS want to AoE then I'd like them to have that option without worry.

As a BLM, I tend to do my AoE rotations whenever there are 3 or more mobs pulled. It's more efficient for me as a BLM which is why I do it. I do watch the enmity icons in the Enemy List and if after a couple Fire 2s those icons are orange, I know this tank isn't bothering to Flash so I either keep going with my rotation and hope the tank will realize he should throw some Flashes in, or I'll switch to single target which isn't as efficient.

Personally, after the enmity buff from 2.1 on Shield Oath, I don't see why AoE enmity is so difficult for some tanks. I was in a DF WP run and the SCH got mad at me for doing AoE telling me its not a speed run when obviously its not if the tank only pulls 1 group at time. I'm just trying to be more efficient with my tools. But its not hard to hold aggro of a group if you just use Flash a few times. Just my experience/personal opinion.

Spam flash more. Anything over 3 targets I spam flash to hold agro, unless they are focusing them down one at a time, then I RoH in the kill order.

It always bothers me when people say to spam Flash because I've never had to do it, even before 2.1. I can run into a group of 8 monsters and use Flash > Circle of Scorn > Flash > RoH Combo > Flash > Switch Target > RoH Combo > Repeat and I never have an issue with enmity, even with BLM spamming Flare with their Relic +1.

Only time I use Flash more than once is in the beginning because a BRD can start damaging very quickly and from then on I only use it when the Blind debuff runs out. The only time I spammed Flash was when we had 3 Relic +1 BLM and a BRD, but even then I didn't repeatedly spam it.

Sidenote: I have regular Relic and Titan shield with Full DL, so my gear isn't top-notch either. With Enmity changes to 2.1 there shouldn't really be a problem unless you're doing a dungeon that syncs you below level 40. Then you're screwed since you don't have Shield Oath.

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Originally Posted by SanjuroXI

this all day

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MOAR FLASH. No really. Just use more flash.

why would you make your life more complicated with single target rotations when you have more than 3 mobs, if you could just use flash all day long and never lose any threat, while getting your mp back easily enough with riot blade?

I'm not sure, perhaps you want the game to be harder than it is, so you add some challenge.

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Originally Posted by Kadas

why would you make your life more complicated with single target rotations when you have more than 3 mobs, if you could just use flash all day long and never lose any threat, while getting your mp back easily enough with riot blade?

I'm not sure, perhaps you want the game to be harder than it is, so you add some challenge.

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thats just not a great idea when you're in a fast group, if you spam flash you're not rioting, And you're not Haloning (which also has a STR Down debuff on top of a huge Emnity spike) the STR Down on Halone is reason enough for me to cycle targets with it, its a very nice Mitigation, which, correct me if im worng, is kind of what PLD is about? >...> *tosses in 2 more cents*

if I'm in a fast group with 10 mobs on me (ie. WP) I couldn't care less about STR down debuffs, and I never have any trouble surviving.
MP is also not an issue, because by the end of your mana, you can just riot blade and flash every now and then and get your mana up while never losing hate.

It's easy, it's effective, it's relaxing, why would you make it harder than it has to be?

If it's 2 mobs sure, after 2 flashes you can combo and debuff, especially if it's instanced and they deal considerable damage (ie. T4 coil soldier/knights), if it's 3 mobs perhaps so, but for more than 3, it's really just masochism at work.

You're supposed to keep hate and survive, really, that's what PLD is about.

You may want to fly your sword around like a maniac when there are 10 mobs, but it's just easier and as effective to blind them and laugh it off while eating a sandwich.

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Originally Posted by Kadas

useless stuff.

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I dont find that to be fun whatsoever, and when i can be more efficient doing it the Combo way rather then relying on riot to fill me up i can just move on to the next group with Halone, adding to the Group DPS in the end, making fights faster, and still never losing hate, while also having fun by staying active on the job instead of spamming 3 buttons? Yeah, ill take that option ^_^ But im not a lazy ass PLD. so

I understand, it is useless because you deem necessary to do more than you have to in order to get to the same result (or worse if you're not focusing and some mob slips out and loses aggro).

Plus, it's so fun to do your 25 damage, I understand very well what you mean. Oh, adding damage towards a common goal, what a wonderful thing.

Good job being efficient, props!

Thanks for everybody post, I think its a combination of wanting to faceroll the same Main Scenerio roulettes that was my concern. At this point it seems riot and flash all day. I completly understand also the POV from ppl wanting to be more effective with combos and switching targets which I have been doing when its been 3+ and everybody is way overgeared for the instance.

Pre 2.1 I didn't have a problem with aoe tanking but I think DPS now post 2.1 that a paladin can flash all day and they can go balls to the walls which is fair, I just have to go with the times and know that this trivial stuff I have to do to get seals goes with trivial mechnaics.

Once again thanks for the help made me really udnerstand where we stand