Solo tank Garuda X

seen videos, and from what i can see, a bard or a strong melee takes chirada. From tanking chirada, only thing that really hurts is the downswipe thing but that gives warning with target, and if you move behind, it does way less damage.

any comments?

Its probably a doable strat since in the JPServers they do a 3 way strat, where MT pull Garuda, OT pulls Suprana and the DPS takes care of Chrirada. I dont see why we cant just replace the OT with another DPS. Although it might get tough if the spiny feather goes to the MT, unless theres a way to pull it off some one with out the use of provoke.

What if the MT gets spiney during tornado phase? is it possible to pull it as dps without killing?

I wonder how just a War not in defiance would compare in that strat then? At least it would have provoke and huge HP.

true true....thats a great suggestion. im gonna try that....although obviously thats less dps than having a 5th dps.

In the videos I have seen, the spiny always seems to go to a healer then the MT takes it at 2 debuffs....

Have done it, not much gain since there is so much time in the fight that garuda is un-attackable. We already clear her in 4'15"-4'40" with 2 tanks. As far as the spiny question, no dps can't pull it off the MT w/o killing her, you just have to live through the super tornado, have everyone topped off prior to it going off.

I was forced to do this yesterday in DF. The OT tank left right before I pulled Garuda and the group went on with the fight. When phase 2 started I started pulling hate from red sister and when garuda moved in moved away from slipstream. At this point i took both to my corner and started to hit CD while dps took care of green. It was sort of painless I just had to move away from slipstream and spam heal on myself to help healers.

Needless to say we didnt wipe on there but later when it was just Garuda, so I think its doable with a good geared tank. I'm ilvl 65 atm with a ilvl55 weapons and shield.

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Originally Posted by Omagana

What if the MT gets spiney during tornado phase? is it possible to pull it as dps without killing?

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nope... spiney comes with a huge amount of aggro to its target. only way to pull it off is by provoking.

Take off soul stone
cross class provoke
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profit?

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Originally Posted by Soulburn32

Take off soul stone
cross class provoke
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profit?

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next level... I like it.

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Originally Posted by Omagana

What if the MT gets spiney during tornado phase? is it possible to pull it as dps without killing?

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This is only a theory, but maybe with the extra DPS, the phases get pushed faster and thus the plume's stacks are not an issue? If that's not the case then it's all RNG (everybody's FAVORITE mechanic~!) if it's on the MT or somebody else

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Originally Posted by NintenPyjak64

This is only a theory, but maybe with the extra DPS, the phases get pushed faster and thus the plume's stacks are not an issue? If that's not the case then it's all RNG (everybody's FAVORITE mechanic~!) if it's on the MT or somebody else

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I "believe" the phases are timed. I cannot say for sure, its possible they are tied to when the adds die and Garuda simply phases X seconds after. I have no actual evidence to base this on other than having killed her and this is the impression I got, lol. :)

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Originally Posted by EvanderStoneguard

I was forced to do this yesterday in DF. The OT tank left right before I pulled Garuda and the group went on with the fight. When phase 2 started I started pulling hate from red sister and when garuda moved in moved away from slipstream. At this point i took both to my corner and started to hit CD while dps took care of green. It was sort of painless I just had to move away from slipstream and spam heal on myself to help healers.

Needless to say we didnt wipe on there but later when it was just Garuda, so I think its doable with a good geared tank. I'm ilvl 65 atm with a ilvl55 weapons and shield.

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EvanderStoneguard, are you talking about Garuda Hard Mode? They are talking about Garuda Extreme Mode. Most people don't do EX Garuda without their relic. And I dont think an ilevel 65 Tank can survive tanking both Garuda and Suprana due to Wicked Wheel, I saw it kill full ilevel 90 tanks before. You also didn't mention anything about how you handled the Spiny Plume, if the Spiny Plume started on you it's gonna be hard for a DPS to take it off you before 3 stacks without killing it.

There is no "hard to" it is impossible to pull the spiny without provoke.

I havent seen anyone mention that after the 3rd or so tornado phase, the plumes blow up faster and you have less time to kill both sisters. Soft enrage i guess. I had a pt bad enough to experience this.

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Originally Posted by Zoomie

I "believe" the phases are timed. I cannot say for sure, its possible they are tied to when the adds die and Garuda simply phases X seconds after. I have no actual evidence to base this on other than having killed her and this is the impression I got, lol. :)

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Pretty sure each phase has a maximum time allowed. If you don't DPS the twins fast enough they will eventually jump with Garuda and wipe you if they're still up. This is a tell-tale sign that you don't have enough DPS.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

Pretty sure each phase has a maximum time allowed.

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Agreed! :)

pre aerial blast phases are hp based, eye and tornado phases are timed. This is how we can down garuda in 2 tornado phases. On the 3rd tornado phase, it might be shorter (for whatever reason lots of groups dies here, with just a bit slow in killing sisters), but 3rd phases her blast is 1/3rd more powerful.

I don't think spiny is random, but I maybe wrong, it may actually come from who has hate on when she first jumps down from eye, it seems to consistently go for our tanks when we all "ready" the tornado phase and of course tanks touch it first.

But realistically one tank is going to wipe you, unless you have a tank LB ready. Honestly having 2 tanks 1 healer is better then 1 tank-2 healer. The OT tank is practically another dps if you learn how to move between tornados and aoe down plumes ( holy is gody in the eye phase)

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Originally Posted by dimsumdarren

seen videos, and from what i can see, a bard or a strong melee takes chirada. From tanking chirada, only thing that really hurts is the downswipe thing but that gives warning with target, and if you move behind, it does way less damage.

any comments?

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my understanding is that chirada's move can be split between all who are hit by it like they hydra's triumvirate. If you get 4-5 people to stack on the "tank" when the target shows up, it will do less damage to all of them

Yes down burst is divided up between all like orbs in ultima hm. The bard would have all team on him during downburst. From what I hear on spiney is the 2nd highest enmity is who it goes to but everytime I'm MT the plume is always on me. So that leaves me with Garuda suprana and the plume bc the other tank never gets him. I also like the idea of someone going class so they can have voke but u might lose a little dps that way.

From what I have seen the spiney will go to the first OR second highest on Garuda enmity list. The phases seem to be both time and damage based. I was in a pug group farming Garuda and the DPS was so fast on chidra that no Tornadoes would spawn.