Smn pvp video

100% sure people are going to be ridiculous with posts on this forum with trolls or w/e. I just gathered random videos I saved and made this. Took like 1 hour to make just took forever to upload. Anyways I can care less where this thread goes have fun arguing since that's what forums do! Happy new years!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-yJD...ature=youtu.be

Nice video

SMN is broken!

seems legit

It makes me feel a lot better to know I'm not the only one who gets blown up in like, 2 seconds. :l

Nice damage

In the video at 3:05...I remember kiting the tank, coming around the wall and seeing 3 corpses around the summoner. It couldn't have been more than 30-40seconds into the match.

You're in full i90 pvp gear, you pop an int potion in every match(?), AND you burst a guy that just popped blood for blood (only bad players pop that skill right off the bat).

At 2:30 the blm on the other team actually starts casting sleep...right in front of all of you... BEFORE popping equanimity... which he then pops after (?) you interrupt him.


Yup, summoner's broken-- Well, broken against undergeared / underskilled players that aren't popping potions and aren't that good at pvp.


On topic though: The video does prove how unbalanced i90 pvp gear & the use of consumables can be against other players that don't have the same advantage. Way too much damage possible even off Aetheric burst (one of the main skills you use every single match) and that is not a summoner class skill. It's a pvp only skill.

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100% sure people are going to be ridiculous with posts on this forum with trolls or w/e.

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And this was not your intent? lmao

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Originally Posted by xxalucard

You're in full i90 pvp gear, you pop an int potion in every match(?), AND you burst a guy that just popped blood for blood (only bad players pop that skill right off the bat).

At 2:30 the blm on the other team actually starts casting sleep...right in front of all of you... BEFORE popping equanimity... which he then pops after (?) you interrupt him.


Yup, summoner's broken-- Well, broken against undergeared / underskilled players that aren't popping potions and aren't that good at pvp.


On topic though: The video does prove how unbalanced i90 pvp gear & the use of consumables can be against other players that don't have the same advantage. Way too much damage possible even off Aetheric burst (one of the main skills you use every single match) and that is not a summoner class skill. It's a pvp only skill.

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http://i.imgur.com/BSYDveM.jpg

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Originally Posted by xxalucard

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After watching your Titan EX video you linked in your sig, I think you relinquish all rights to this discussion considering you don't even know how to maximize your damage on SMN in PvE post 2.1 - you use Ruin 1 over 2, don't auto attack, and never go close to OoM, something that should be happening regardless of Ballad.

You should be using everything at your disposal that is allowed for you to win. His opponents wouldn't have survived by using potions, nor would they have killed him using potions. Doing anything less means you are not doing your best in a competitive mindset and therefor you're actually trying to lose if you do otherwise. It's honestly not his gear that makes these videos so insane, because my Drains and Ruins put up similar damage with less gear. Considering you can't even manage your resources in PVE, why would I trust your judgment over DJ's in PVP matters?

Nice music

can u make video against equal geared players?

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Originally Posted by LateRegi

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Because they're making EXTREMELY valid points?

It is one thing to try and prove that summoner is over powered by showcasing an even play field where comparable equipment and stats end in wildly different results.

It is another thing entirely to try and prove summoner is over powered by running around in full i90 gear against people who at times look to be wearing i55 at best while also chugging potions that bump up your primary stat.

This video does not simply prove summoner to be an over powered class, it proves that the morale system is ridiculously broken.

In PvP the roles of classes change compared to PvE, tanks become damage dealers, black mages become crowd control and summoners become burst damage. The matter is that the morale system is at its most broken when looking at burst damage and that is why summoner stands out so much.

The reason so many summoners don't believe their class is THAT over powered isn't simply because they're greedy and want to have an advantage in pvp. It's because the majority of players don't fall into the extreme end of the spectrum. Your average player doesn't chug potions and may have half a full set of i70 gear and although they can deal a decent bit of burst damage they're doing it against people with similar builds who can often take that damage and come back from it.

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Originally Posted by PlanckZero

summoners become burst damage, amazing sustained damage, battlerezzers, set-and-forget interrupt bots, have miasma2, and so on.

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teehee

Anyways, the class has better sustained than everybody, amazing burst (maybe highest in the game) when setup, and even the quick on demand burst is very good, has great utility, a pet to interrupt with, and the list goes on and on.
Even outside of damage they offer more than probably any other class.

Throw in the damage and it just gets silly.

Maybe the class is built around it, but not having very many cast times as a caster opens them up a lot to being very strong.

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Originally Posted by PlanckZero

The reason so many summoners don't believe their class is THAT over powered isn't simply because they're greedy and want to have an advantage in pvp.

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This is actually incredibly common and happens all the time. :l

Your forgot to add BLMs are MT whiles SMNs are OT in Wolf's den.

I think the reason SMNs don't believe their class is overpowered in both PvE and PvP is because they're really just not doing anywhere near their potential damage. The endgame SMNs I see in full i90 show a complete disregard for any knowledge pertaining to their optimal rotations on specific fights. I mean, the guy I quoted posts a video of him doing Titan and it makes me cringe, and the majority of SMNs do even less damage than him and still win parses despite parsers not tracking the buffed increase (Raging Strikes/buffed INT) of DOTs, Shadowflare, or crits on your DOTs.

Take a SMN who actually knows their stuff and they absolutely demolish all the endgame content without other jobs coming close, and virtually one-shot people in PvP - with or without i90 gear and potions. I don't expect many players to believe or understand this seeing as the chances of you playing with a great SMN are so small, but if you did have any experience, you wouldn't be here arguing against it.

Dev just need to realize that most of their burst comes from off GCD skills aka Fester, Enkindle, Energy Drain.

Their's a much more OP way to play SMN, this works the most efficient against pump stomping.

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Originally Posted by LateRegi

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Could you seriously stop trying to compare PvP to Titan? Trying to make personal attacks against someone based around a battle so far removed from PvP is fairly pathetic.

If summoners were truly so over powered we wouldn't constantly be seeing people posting screen shots and videos of nothing but i90 + Mega int potion monsters wiping the floor with people wearing pve and i55 pvp gear. Because the alternative is your average person with a mix of i55 and i70 gear up against people with similar setups doing high end damage but in no way just demolishing the field in seconds unless their team is organized, lucky and up against horrible opponents.

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Originally Posted by PlanckZero

If summoners were truly so over powered we wouldn't constantly be seeing people posting screen shots and videos of nothing but i90 + Mega int potion monsters wiping the floor with people wearing pve and i55 pvp gear. .

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Sure, the Producer himself will just admit it. Nbd

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Originally Posted by PlanckZero

Could you seriously stop trying to compare PvP to Titan? Trying to make personal attacks against someone based around a battle so far removed from PvP is fairly pathetic.

If summoners were truly so over powered we wouldn't constantly be seeing people posting screen shots and videos of nothing but i90 + Mega int potion monsters wiping the floor with people wearing pve and i55 pvp gear. Because the alternative is your average person with a mix of i55 and i70 gear up against people with similar setups doing high end damage but in no way just demolishing the field in seconds unless their team is organized, lucky and up against horrible opponents.

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My argument was that if a person can't optimize their DPS in PvE, there's no chance they're doing things correctly in PvP. Nothing pathetic about my comparison at all.

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Originally Posted by LateRegi

My argument was that if a person can't optimize their DPS in PvE, there's no chance they're doing things correctly in PvP. Nothing pathetic about my comparison at all.

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It's actually a lot easier to do in PvP than PvE. PvP uses a small subset of SMN skill to achieve max burst damage. PvE uses almost 3 times as many.

PvP.. you pop a bunch of buffs (int pot, raging, rouse, spur) then toss out some instant/off-GCD skills (ruin II, energy drain, enkindle, aetheric burst) to kill someone. This is like 1/4 of what you would normally have to utilize in PvE.

As far as DPS optimization goes, PvP is very easy in comparison. Positioning/etc. is an entirely different conversation.

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Originally Posted by LateRegi

After watching your Titan EX video you linked in your sig, I think you relinquish all rights to this discussion considering you don't even know how to maximize your damage on SMN in PvE post 2.1 - you use Ruin 1 over 2, don't auto attack, and never go close to OoM, something that should be happening regardless of Ballad.

Considering you can't even manage your resources in PVE, why would I trust your judgment over DJ's in PVP matters?

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LOL dude are you serious? I am auto attacking the majority of the fight and i DO use ruin 2 (ruin 1 / ruin 2). As I run from the first set of plumes I even hit titan with miasma II.

On a controller you just have to spam A to auto attack, you don't have to right click with a mouse (since I'm not using one). I re-watched the video and see myself auto attacking in every phase after each jump. You should relinquish all your rights to ever make a comment about summoners ever, when you can't see obvious 64-69 auto attacks going on in between spells (sometimes 98 crits).

I wonder if you have any idea what you're talking about with optimizing DPS...

Have you even beaten titan extreme or turn 5?

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Originally Posted by LongNu

Sure, the Producer himself will just admit it. Nbd

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The producer also asked you and your team not to jump if you read all of it.