Need Some Feedback/Help from SCHs Please

Sorry for the mess below :(

I just came back to FF14 got a 50 DRG I don't want to play him anymore. I want to main a SMN but also want to secondary heal as a SCH.

I heard different theories on stat allotment:

A. Pure Int so I can main SMN and min/max my damage while still being a heal but won't be min/max end game raid healer (heard cleric stance with end game DD int gear can out weigh the 20% loss?) or just heal without stance and just have a different suit of MND gear but miss out on +30 MND?

B. 15/15 int/mnd decent in both but not the best in either losing 15 stats = how much % in damage or heals?

C. Pure mnd won't be a great SMN loss on damage? but min/max healer?

D. Go 30 Pie or Vit - Heard this is also viable?


Thats basically it and is that 30 points THAT large of a factor like if I go MND and run SMN how much % of damage will I lose? or Vice versa.


Thanks

Aruji

I main SCH and have all my points in VIT currently, and it doesn't affect my healing enough to be noticeable. It has, on the other hand, kept me alive on several occasions when I would have died without it.

I find DPS jobs boring, though, so I'm not sure I'm qualified to offer advice on SMN. I had read somewhere that one stat point in INT/MND gives you, on average, about 1 point of damage/healing per spell cast? I don't have any idea if this is correct, since I'm not the mathy type person who would run these numbers myself, but this should be measurable.

Anyway, if this is a big deal to you, there is a 5th option: always make sure you have the 10k seals required to re-spec whenever you like. IMO, none of the endgame encounters are tuned tightly enough that 30 stat points in the wrong place will be a liability.

Sweet that is the kind of feedback I was looking for =) You do end game raids and such?

Yeah. I'm not up there with the best of the best, though. Still working on Titan Extreme (mostly with PuGs) and T5 (with my static).

Oh, and BTW: never heal in Cleric Stance. It reduces heals by a set percentage that I don't remember right now--just don't do it.

so even if I am pure int I can still heal will be at a disadvantage on hp thou. Hmm wonder how 30vit will fair with SMN. Thanks again =)

Also any other feedback from others is cool too

I also do not have the math to support my suspicions, though I would love to see it. If one point of mind is one point healed, it would actually be three points healed per point of mind if you were getting a crit on Adlo, the main Scholar heal. As competitive as people are in end-game content, you will essentially always be the lowest of your class in the parser if you never invest in mind or int.

I don't think the game supports playing both SMN and SCH very well at the moment. If you're interested in being competitive and being "the best you can be" for end game content, I would pick one or the other, or buy the 10000 point Grand Company stat reallocation tomes before you switch between them. I suspect this will be more and more of an issue for everyone else as new Jobs are released, unless they always released a new base class along with a new Job.

If you don't mind being permanently in last place, or if your free company doesn't, then I say go for it and pick Vitality...

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Originally Posted by nocks

I also do not have the math to support my suspicions, though I would love to see it. If one point of mind is one point healed, it would actually be three points healed per point of mind if you were getting a crit on Adlo, the main Scholar heal. As competitive as people are in end-game content, you will essentially always be the lowest of your class in the parser if you never invest in mind or int.

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This would be more relevant if you spammed Adlo, when a more efficient ratio is more like 1 Adlo for every 2-3 Physicks. Also, LOL at heal parsing--it has its uses, but in most cases winning the parse isn't always a good goal when it comes to healing. For SMN, though, you probably have a valid point. I wouldn't know; I hardly touch SMN. For Turn 5, though, putting bonus attributes into VIT allows you to use proper MND accessories rather than the melded Astrals (though the Vortex Ring of Fending is looking really good to me, and would allow me to re-allocate), so the difference is probably a wash (I'd like to see the math if anybody does it, though).

I agree that I rarely spam Adlo, unless the situation is very dire and I'm out of Lustrates, but it does occasionally happen. I agree about heal parsing too, though eventually we'll see a heal parser that will give actual amounts healed, separate from Overhealing, and that will be telling - this did occur in the last MMO I raided in, Rift. I'm not sure how you'll get around the DPS issue as a Summoner, though.

I would probably just invest 30 attributes into the class that you will be doing coil on, and if your group asks you to play the other one for an encounter or two, just tell them your situation. Your attributes only really matter when your group is undergeared for an encounter, and since most people are walking around in like 6+ myth pieces before even stepping into coil, its not really an issue. Don't go PIE/VIT unless you are doing it for an explicit reason (can't survive twintania fireballs for an example), because it really has no benefit to either class.

If you are really adamant on playing both an even amount (doing half the turns on SMN, then the other half of SCH), I would say go 30INT, because that is damage you can never get back, while SCH's output a ridiculous amount of single target HPS already with a macro'd embrace+adlo/physick, and you have CDS/WHM for a majority of the AOE healing. The MND really is overkill. My WHM specs PIE just because my heals already heal for so much, SCH is much in the same boat.

I'll quote myself from another topic with the numbers you are looking for, so you can make up your own mind.

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Originally Posted by Ashira

I ran the numbers and it's as follows:

1 MND = 1.6 HP increase in your Physick. 30 MND = 50.4 HP increase in your Physick (on average*)

This will scale less with a less potent spell like Adloquium, so the real question people should be asking themselves is this: is 30 MND (+50 HP heal) better than 30 PIE (+240 MP)

Know that whatever you choose will make little difference, though the two benefits to more MP; how well it scales with your Aetherflow, and having a useful stat that your SMN can use (if you're interested in using your SMN that is)

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If I was playing both SMN and SCH I'd go for 30 PIE; which is handy for both. SCH don't have MP issues, but having more means you can use Adloquium more often.

Because most endgame gear is more stringent on who can wear it, you literally cannot just wear a full intelligence set on Scholar. You'll instead be wearing MND focused healing gear, and your MND is going to drastically outweigh your INT... even if you put all your points into INT. Not to mention that with the numbers you get at endgame, the 20% penalty to healing from cleric's stance is a bigger issue than a mere 30 points of MND.

Depends whats geared up first.
If you have a geared SMN, I would 30 mind till in most of BIS, then 30 vit, vice versa if other way around.