Gridania Vs. Ishagard. Who won?

So Gridania and Ishgard have fought a bunch of times. And apparently The Battle of Dragonfall was was a tragic one. So I'm wondering if anyone has come across the reason as to why it was tragic, and who won?

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my bad... what was i thinking.... asking a question about simple lore in on a message board for an mmoRPG

Gridania naturally!

The troops of Ishgard fell asleep in the woods due to the boring environment and lost all will to rule over such area.

ell oh ell....

can i please just get a serious answer ; ; or do those not exist here?

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ell oh ell....
can i please just get a serious answer ; ; or do those not exist here?

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Azurymber,
your attempt at proving that there is some awesome lore hidden in this game is futile.
Of course you are able to dig up something after specifically searching for it, but that's
hardly the point.

Good lore tells itself throughout gameplay in a convincing and captivating manner.
Not by scanning NPC and database entries.

Fail.

I JUST LIKE GRIDANIA'S LORE AND I'M CURIOUS!!!!! I talked to an NPC in the Archer guild during an archer quest im doing where i'm headed over to owl's nest and they mentioned it....

Why can't someone just give me a straight up answer instead of trying to troll the post ><

Calm down. Nobody has given you a straight answer because not only is this post is pretty new, most of us don't know the answer. Although I do agree you should wait for the game to explain the story itself.

Straight answer:
Nobody knows, and most likely nobody cares.
Ishgard has been kept off in a vaccuum-sealed package for almost a year now.
Most of its residents should already have suffocated.
Why care for a dead people?

P.S.: I doubt the developers know. That would require a fleshed-out timeline of historical events.
(...)
They didn't even manage to flesh out the first round of holiday events.

If YOU don't know, Azuryamber (if that IS your real name), no one will.

Most people just skim through NPC dialogue because they assume it's all pointless flavour text (the flavour being yuck).

um just to be clear ishgard plays a role in archer r30 guild quests as well as numerous other quests. So there is Ishgard lore.
There are Ishgard knights. they ride chocobos, they are hardcore, and they come with some of the coolest music in the game. >__> They also have -Dragoons-
Forgive me for trying to enjoy this game.

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Forgive me for trying to enjoy this game.

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Forgiven.
Every single one of us went through that stage.

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

Forgiven.
Every single one of us went through that stage.

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seriously, why bother coming on here just to troll? If you aren't enjoying the game why are you playing?

I meet one of them in CON quest

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seriously, why bother coming on here just to troll? If you aren't enjoying the game why are you playing?

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I am not.
Until the game improves.
And until then, I have fun playing with guys like you.

The Dragoons were pretty badass!

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I am not.
Until the game improves.
And until then, I have fun playing with guys like you.

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Yeah, many of us (including me) have stopped playing until the game improves. I might end up waiting until this fall and then start another character...might. Until then I'm a frequent visitor of these forums, but I don't play the game. I did for 6+ months after it came out, but I just couldn't justify playing any more. I thought updates would come out much faster than they are/did.

Maybe you'll know when the expansion comes out & Ishgard opens. In 2014.

Unfortunately Azurymber I think you've come to the wrong place for your answers. Most people here are only interested in bitching and moaning about the game which many of don't even bother to play any more. Most of those who do remain are more interested in being able to jump than they are in the lore of the game.

I'm glad you're still enjoying it and hope you continue to untainted by those attempting to bring other down to their level of misery.

I hope you can find the answers you're looking for ingame as you continue to explore the world of Eorzea.

I'm not bitching at all, and lore is what keeps me playing a game. It's just many (most) of it has gaps or does not exist at all. But that is what happens when you start a new MMO from now previous games/story. It will build over time.

By the way, Ishgard's dragoons are not dragoons in the FF sense.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragoon

It just means mounted infantry, FF added a new spin to it because of the oh-so-clever similarity with the word 'dragon' I guess.
The lore is pretty lacking right now, like most of the game it feels rushed and skimmed over, which baffles me considering how much lore (and even more so in its expansions) FFXI had. No idea what the hell Tanaka was thinking.

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Originally Posted by Sephr

The lore is pretty lacking right now, like most of the game it feels rushed and skimmed over, which baffles me considering how much lore (and even more so in its expansions) FFXI had. No idea what the hell Tanaka was thinking.

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Honesty I've seen tons of lore, the problem is most of it comes in walls of text from sidequests and you have to kind of patchwork it all together which takes work. It really reminds me alot of the warring of the city states of ancient Greece. Many people though don't even read or do sidequests, let alone read the captions in the cut sequences, they just want pretty pictures with epic fights.

There's a lot of lore to this game, you just have to look for it.

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

P.S.: I doubt the developers know. That would require a fleshed-out timeline of historical events.
(...)
They didn't even manage to flesh out the first round of holiday events.

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and they don't know if they will have use for beastmen coins yet...

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Originally Posted by giftforce

If YOU don't know, Azuryamber (if that IS your real name), no one will.

Most people just skim through NPC dialogue because they assume it's all pointless flavour text (the flavour being yuck).

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yeah and it lacks good proper "next-gen" presentation. Or some voice acting including CS for the important stuff, which is... standard imo, especially with a game focusing on graphics so much.

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Originally Posted by Anty

yeah and it lacks good proper "next-gen" presentation. Or some voice acting including CS for the important stuff, which is... standard imo, especially with a game focusing on graphics so much.

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VA slows down the development of new content pretty dramatically, it's going to be a real bitch for SWTOR down the line. That said, for the more important storylines and quests we should get at least some.

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Originally Posted by Sephr

VA slows down the development of new content pretty dramatically, it's going to be a real bitch for SWTOR down the line. That said, for the more important storylines and quests we should get at least some.

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like i wrote, the "important stuff", things that get you into the lore, the main story, the "danger". VA compared to the CS creation isnt a lot to ask for. But if people are more involved by good CS and voice acting, they will also bother reading textwalls. If they left out the quest markers, where to go, etc. etc. but instead give us better stories and descriptions (with a journal ofc), people would have to bother reading. But then still... the quests would have to be much more interesting for people to even attempt them.

Azurymber, I found myself "liking" each of your posts in this thread. You seem to be exploring the game and finding ways to enjoy it. You allow yourself to be entertained by side-quest lore expansion and don't expect the main story line to present everything to you on a silver platter.

Don't let anyone take that away from you! Better to enjoy the game for your own reasons than to hate it for someone else's.

While I don't have any answers for you, I share your sentiments on a different topic. I would like to know more about the city that existed before Ul'dah, which is alluded to in the Miner's Quest.

Don't worry, Azury. Once Ishgard will be opened, you'll be able to talk to the crowd there and they'll give you the answers you seek =)

Just hang in there!

During the French Banana War, the Ishgardians would fly about on their magic carpets, firing rockets from their head mounted launchers at the Gridanians, because they don't trust the "little people". Gridania retaliated by stealing every left sock in the Ishgardian empire.

Thousands were killed.

Many boring years later, everyone was outside Ishgard killing raptors.

and they all drank lemonaaaade.

The end.

I don't think even Square Enix knows the answer to that question. But rest assured, they're looking into it.

Cheers to you Azury for making a thread actually talking about stuff in the game. :) Sorry to say I can't answer your question either - didn't even know there had been many wars between those two nations. Just wanted to chime in a positive post seeing how this topic unfairly got bashed to bits.

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Originally Posted by Alixandir

Cheers to you Azury for making a thread actually talking about stuff in the game. :) Sorry to say I can't answer your question either - didn't even know there had been many wars between those two nations. Just wanted to chime in a psotivie post seeing how this topic unfairly got bashed to bits.

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It's really not "unfair" how people reacted to feeling like the world is soulless. I personally assumed that Gridania took the heavier losses in the battle given the "tragic" results; probably losing some sort of leader as well as heavy casualties.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

I JUST LIKE GRIDANIA'S LORE AND I'M CURIOUS!!!!! I talked to an NPC in the Archer guild during an archer quest im doing where i'm headed over to owl's nest and they mentioned it....

Why can't someone just give me a straight up answer instead of trying to troll the post ><

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There is no answer Azury. Nobody knows, and SE is too busy breaking things that don't need fixing to bother with the things people actually care about.

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Originally Posted by Platinumstorm

It's really not "unfair" how people reacted to feeling like the world is soulless. I personally assumed that Gridania took the heavier losses in the battle given the "tragic" results; probably losing some sort of leader as well as heavy casualties.

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Not unfair no, they are entitled to their opinion, of course. But isn't it a bit unneccesary to come in and be sarcastic when someone asks an honest question?

i think gridania won and ishgard is still under remodeling from the beating they took thats why you cant go inside.

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Originally Posted by Alixandir

Not unfair no, they are entitled to their opinion, of course. But isn't it a bit unneccesary to come in and be sarcastic when someone asks an honest question?

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I don't know. There are so many trolls on both sides on this forum.

If anything I would say Gridania won. During some of the Conjurer mission they said raids of soldiers have been lost before just because the soldier carelessly walked into the forest without being aware the forest is alive. As for that battle that you specifically mentioned I have not heard anything.

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Originally Posted by Azurymber

um just to be clear ishgard plays a role in archer r30 guild quests as well as numerous other quests. So there is Ishgard lore.
There are Ishgard knights. they ride chocobos, they are hardcore, and they come with some of the coolest music in the game. >__> They also have -Dragoons-
Forgive me for trying to enjoy this game.

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The Rank 30/36 class quest for Conjour deals with them as well. I can't remember what was covered in those quests in full detail, but since you said ARC has quests that deal with them, then perhaps each Grid class does, and maybe they make a complete picture.

I don't know the answer to your question, but you've made me want to rank up ARC now. :)

Not exactly what you are looking for. But since you seem to (like myself) enjoy these sort of things
http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com...cicuid=1648477

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I think that it was the Garleans that were going for Gridania and the Ishgardians intercepted them with the Dragons. That's why the Garlean Invasion never made it to the southern cities.