Odin Still Impossible

So... I thought SE was going to fix this? Since the patch I can actually see Odin, so I guess thats progress (tho not sure if its from my own system upgrade or something SE did), but after having attempted twice this week at killing him I can only get bronze. Got some crazy stuff going on -- server resetting casts after client initiates them, animations happening with no damage registering or stats changing (like triggering transpose's cooldown and seeing the animation but not actually switching from fire to ice stacks).

I mean.. c'mon, what gives? I pounded on Odin from about 80% to the end today in a full party and got bronze. That's kind of ridiculous.

Pretty sure it's not my system or connection, as I just got this computer on Monday, and I have no delay or lag in any other fight (including HM/Ex primals)...

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Originally Posted by Narcissus

I completely disagree with this, fighting Odin is great for me now, hes about lvl 62 on my server, slowing down how rapidly everyone is killing him, next few kills people should be able to real in golds, he will probably top out at lvl 70.

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I'm very glad to hear that things are working out for you. Anything to add concerning my situation? Theres no possible way it's anything on my end, so.. as they say, what the hell? Also, you're the first person to tell me it's great after talking to other people who were at Odin on my server... so good for Behemoth people I guess, I dunno.

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Originally Posted by Riv

Are you kidding me? I see him all the time and he dies in like 2 minutes now lol. If anything, you don't get higher rating cuz others are out DPSing you, etc.

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Hm.. yes.. an iLv 85 BLM with a full party banging the hell out of Odin from 80% is rewarded with bronze, surely he must be slow on DPS. I see, your logic is indeed ironclad.

But srsly, you're probably right despite yourself given that, as Sayori says below, the BLM ice/fire stack transitions get lagged into oblivion.

I completely disagree with this, fighting Odin is great for me now, hes about lvl 62 on my server, as he is leveling up it is slowing down how rapidly everyone is killing him, next few kills people should be able to real in golds, he will probably top out at lvl 70.

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Originally Posted by Narcissus

I completely disagree with this, fighting Odin is great for me now, hes about lvl 62 on my server, slowing down how rapidly everyone is killing him, next few kills people should be able to real in golds, he will probably top out at lvl 70.

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Yeah I gotta agree with this guy, Odin and Behemoth are dying incredibly fast now to the point where instead of not being able to see him the issue is getting there in time to deal enough damage.

But because it can't be said enough, I HATE THAT THESE ARE FATES IT IS SO STUPID.

Still can't target party members.

Be the group with Odin HP bar on red (first group engaging him), throw an LB3, and well, here you got the gold (assuming your group didn't DC, in case all your efforts is gone)
If bar is purple, it's quite rare to see getting gold if you didn't partecipate to the fight form the beginning even not holding him (so far the best i saw was silver using lb3 with purple HP bar fighting from the beginning)

Ye, so far both fates are a pure waste of time , much more nowadays fate parties are kinda dead ( on my server so far noone group for them anymore, Cohertas /mor dhona fates are semi abandoned , noone doing fates)
It adds the senseless when alone the best you get is bronze. Why the hell i have to be on a group using lb3 to hope on a silver/gold? I want gold alone just being lucky to be there. Period.

Also, why we don't get a server message when both are up, isntead of hope someone calls the spawn on shout (i saw people calling it just once on my server while both was up lol ) ? Jee :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Mazi

Yeah I gotta agree with this guy, Odin and Behemoth are dying incredibly fast now to the point where instead of not being able to see him the issue is getting there in time to deal enough damage.

But because it can't be said enough, I HATE THAT THESE ARE FATES IT IS SO STUPID.

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I'd rather have it be a FATE that everyone can participate in that a NM that only one PT can claim every 36 hours.

It's definitely better than 2.0 version. I am basically guaranteed a silver every time I run it. However, whats annoying is that only one party can get gold and that is the party who lands the finishing blow. So I think one party purposely holds on to their LB and then at the very last second steals the show. If everyone did this the Odin would get Zantetsuken off and everyone will fail the fate. I think its bs and personally they should either increase the silver rewards to 2 or 3 mantles or just give gold to any party who deals a certain amount of damage to Odin regardless of when they enter the fate late or not.

Also I still can't see my party. I see Odin and the people next to him but any healers in my party won't be able to see me (due to range) and thus won't be able to heal me.

Still having lots of issues with my astral fire/umbral ice during odin yeah. I was hoping they had fixed this :(

All they said they fixed was making sure he was visible. The rest of the problems stem from the fact there are likely over a thousand payers standing in the same area of that zone and the server is struggling to keep it going. They never said they beefed up server capacity in these zones to compensate for the higher player volume so I don't know what everyone was expecting exactly.

Are you kidding me? I see him all the time and he dies in like 2 minutes now lol. If anything, you don't get higher rating cuz others are out DPSing you, etc.

He was lv 60 today on my server. I managed to get silver again with being in a full party from start to finish. (lucked out i was right near where he spawned for once) At the least after they 'fixed' the fate I have been getting silver.. so I guess 3 more silvers I can get my barding and be done with worrying about this foolishness D; (oh wait they added housing stuff to trade in for didn't they? ~kicks self~)

I'm pretty sure the group I was in would have gotten gold if we had managed to pull off LB .. but our bar wasn't filling like at all >_> so there was no hope on that.

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Originally Posted by EvokerKeii

Still can't target party members.

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God, I wish they would fix this. All I can do is spam Succor and hope I'm hitting everyone.

The Limit Break changes also make it hard to get 2 bars or more before Odin dies even if you have just a couple doublicate classes.

Hey SE why not throw out some other world content besides FATES. Bring out some HNMs that only one group can claim so we can compete against each other instead of having to complete with server overload.

No thanks, that 1 group can claim this monster is stupid stuff. I hated it in world of warcraft and I will hate it here. It will just mean that people will be camping it's spot in the hope to get it.

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Originally Posted by Mazi

Yeah I gotta agree with this guy, Odin and Behemoth are dying incredibly fast now to the point where instead of not being able to see him the issue is getting there in time to deal enough damage.

But because it can't be said enough, I HATE THAT THESE ARE FATES IT IS SO STUPID.

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Behemoth spawned on my server, and in the two minutes it takes to run from dragonhead to his spawn point, he was dead.

It felt cheesy and a waste of my time :(

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Originally Posted by Teeko

Behemoth spawned on my server, and in the two minutes it takes to run from dragonhead to his spawn point, he was dead.

It felt cheesy and a waste of my time :(

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Exact same thing happened to me... I really wish they gave us some pre-FATEs for Odin/Behemoth... Well, Behemoth already has one I guess... But if around an hour before they spawn proper, we get a series of FATEs leading up to them (feral beasts attack as Behemoth drives them from their homes, Odins Valkyries start popping up in The Shroud, etc), I think that'd be a lot better. It would give people more of an chance to prepare for Odin/Behemoth...

If I hear "Valkyries are up!" in my Linkshell I'll go "Cool, Odin is coming, I better get ready". Right now I hear "Odin is up" and I either abandon duty instantly and/or miss the FATE...

Im on PS3 and love the way these fates are handled now. Havent done jack to my system, so its all SE. I can now see and hit Odin and Behemot just fine, altho I usually end up with silver and not gold ;(

For all those who say they have no problem with Odin and Behemo, repeat after me.

"Thing is it varies from server to server and timezone. What I experience MAY NOT be the same as what other server and timezone experience."

On Masamune, Odin routinely crashes the zone. Often once you manage to reconnect, IF you manage reconnect at all, the zone is rolled back a couple of minutes before he spawned and the whole thing starts all over again, obligatory 90k disconnects included. The zone caps do nothing to stop the zone from being overloaded and crashing and I wonder if SE are just sitting on their hands hoping one day enough people will give up and their problem will be solved for them without having to do anything to fix or review the way fates operate. I know they envisioned fates to be a way for server communities to get together and participate in a bit of open world battle. But in reality all fates are is a mad spam fest for two or three minutes and a fervent hope you did enough damage to get your contribution to gold level.

Your experiences may vary from server to server, but Masamune being a highly populated server this is pretty much how all popular fates play out be it Odin, Behemoth or whatever season / mission they decided to just jam into a fate to save any real creative design thoughts (Odin is the only fate that I've seen regularly crash its zone however). I really wonder if the 2.0 server structure is that much better than 1.0 at this rate. The limitations and instability being so harshly felt so early into the game are worrying and leave me with a sense of foreboding for future content and the longevity of FFXIV if they don't manage to put a bit more grunt into their servers.

We had Odin a few days ago on Ragnarok. Fight started 2 times from scratch because their server could not handle the load. We went there as a group of 8 people and everybody got a 90000. After numerous attempts we were able to login again just to see he is gone. This Game is out since 4 months but these 2 FATES are still a complete waste of time and a proof that there is something wrong with SE's technical infrastructure. MMO? What a joke. Call it rather minimum player online.

I can't get anything higher then a Bronze on Odin simply because he is still bugged sometimes.

For 1 thing, sometimes it's as if youre not even in combat. Your HP and MP regen as if youre idle. (tho i dont recall if this happens in all Fates... cant recall right now)
When you attack him, often time your attacks do not register at all. For example, on BLM i somtimes have to nuke him 3-4 times with Fire 1, for astral fire timer to reset. This shows me my attacks arent being recorded. Sometimes it lasts for the entire duration of Astral Fire, making me lose the buff.
On a melee Job, often I am unable to combo...at ALL. The hit isnt registering, more glaring when on MNK.

Something is def wrong when the area is extremely crowded.

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Originally Posted by ToraFomalhaut

On Masamune, Odin routinely crashes the zone. Often once you manage to reconnect, IF you manage reconnect at all, the zone is rolled back a couple of minutes before he spawned and the whole thing starts all over again, obligatory 90k disconnects included. The zone caps do nothing to stop the zone from being overloaded and crashing and I wonder if SE are just sitting on their hands hoping one day enough people will give up and their problem will be solved for them without having to do anything to fix or review the way fates operate. I know they envisioned fates to be a way for server communities to get together and participate in a bit of open world battle. But in reality all fates are is a mad spam fest for two or three minutes and a fervent hope you did enough damage to get your contribution to gold level.

Your experiences may vary from server to server, but Masamune being a highly populated server this is pretty much how all popular fates play out be it Odin, Behemoth or whatever season / mission they decided to just jam into a fate to save any real creative design thoughts (Odin is the only fate that I've seen regularly crash its zone however). I really wonder if the 2.0 server structure is that much better than 1.0 at this rate. The limitations and instability being so harshly felt so early into the game are worrying and leave me with a sense of foreboding for future content and the longevity of FFXIV if they don't manage to put a bit more grunt into their servers.

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Jesus christ, how big are your servers? This problem never happens on Behemoth and we are biggest server NA I believe.

I like that i can see Odin but i still can't get anything other than a bronze. I do decent damage, the last fight i had with Odin, i did atleast 8k damage and still managed to get only bronze. The fight was only like 10 minutes though. I also really hate how if he even looks in my direction with me as BRD, i'm dead. Randomly being killed while 30 feet from him with no aoe markers kinda sucks.

Just throw it out there, but being able to kill him doesn't make him "impossible" as people are claiming.

They havent fix'd odin at all, they've just changed the problem. I can now target odin with ease but now i cant target my own party members to heal them. Was banging my head of the wall on the first day "fix", tank was shouting at me to heal him because he was trying to main tank but sorry bro its hard to heal someone thats 1) i cant see and 2) i cant target.

What a mess.

I still say what would solve this problem is re-imagine Einhejrar from FFXI - Give him proper raid content.

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Originally Posted by ToraFomalhaut

On Masamune, Odin routinely crashes the zone. Often once you manage to reconnect, IF you manage reconnect at all, the zone is rolled back a couple of minutes before he spawned and the whole thing starts all over again, obligatory 90k disconnects included. The zone caps do nothing to stop the zone from being overloaded and crashing

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This is happening on Excalibur right now (Jan 4, 2014 1745 EST) Three times in a row. Combo's and damage on Odin aren't proc'ing for me and LB meter won't fill up. I thought they fixed this FATE overload nonsense with 2.1?

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Originally Posted by Kantide

I'd rather have it be a FATE that everyone can participate in that a NM that only one PT can claim every 36 hours.

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I'd rather have a fate that you can beat with a few people (light to full party) that acts as a key to fighting an instanced battle with him, instead of a FATE that crashes servers. I think it's the only option too, 'cause SQE still can't seem to keep their servers up; And i don't see that changing anytime soon.