Sleep resist and how it works!

So I have spent about 12,500 marks on sleep resist to see how it works. As it already states when you mouse over the sleep resist it says shortens duration. I qued into my friends in 4s and tested 5 sleep resist (just food HQ) tested then 10 sleep resist (5 melded sleep resist) and 15 sleep resist (melded and food HQ).

NO resist : First sleep last 30 seconds then 15 then 8
05 resist : First sleep lasts 28 seconds then 14 then 7
10 resist : first sleep lasts 27 seconds then 13 then 6
15 resist : first sleep last 25 seconds then 12 then 6

With all this data I found that the Number of resist you have is the % of the durations lowered. So with that if i had 22 resist i would take away 22% of the duration of each sleep that is the baseline of it.

Very interesting find. I would imagine the other resists working the same way then possibly. Thanks for the info.

I will be testing heavy resist probably later today. Once i know ill post it.

Still way too lackluster if you ask me ...

Sleep resist definitely helps, but it's not enough. If a healer slots every guaranteed socket in their PvP armor for sleep resist, they would only have 22 resist. If you add 2 more sockets for their weapon + food, it would be 31 resist. Assuming the game uses the standard rules for rounding, the 2nd sleep would still be 10 seconds (potentially fatal), and the first non-DR sleep without purify would be 21 seconds (definitely fatal).

I was hesitant to call sleep overpowered at release, but now that people have high ranks/gear/experience... I think it's safe to say sleep is a bit too strong. A max duration of 20 seconds seems more appropriate.

The max sleep resist one can have is 33 with Hq food.

It is possible put 5 materia per item? if u use few pve ring and earrings it is possible get over 100 sleep resist and then u are immune against sleep? or is there some kind of cap?

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Originally Posted by Djlovedrop

The max sleep resist one can have is 33 with Hq food.

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I got 31 including weapon and HQ food without overmelding.

Regardless, it still seems a bit too strong.

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Originally Posted by Mitski

I got 31 including weapon and HQ food without overmelding.

Regardless, it still seems a bit too strong.

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7 pieces that can have +4 each. 7x4=28 + 5 from HQ food = 33 maxed. As for is it worth? I feel sleeps duration would need a nerf to make it amazing. Still nonetheless 33% reduced time being asleep is better then none.

But what about the fights where you don't fight BLM or WHM? Should we really have to stack every socket with Sleep resist, just for that one crowd control effect? If one CC has that much power, it sounds like it needs some looking at.

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Originally Posted by Djlovedrop

7 pieces that can have +4 each. 7x4=28 + 5 from HQ food = 33 maxed. As for is it worth? I feel sleeps duration would need a nerf to make it amazing. Still nonetheless 33% reduced time being asleep is better then none.

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Belt only has 1 guaranteed slot, but I'm sure you could +4 it if you were willing to overmeld.

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Originally Posted by Rawkzor

But what about the fights where you don't fight BLM or WHM? Should we really have to stack every socket with Sleep resist, just for that one crowd control effect? If one CC has that much power, it sounds like it needs some looking at.

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That was my conclusion as well.

It's not worth it.

Why does everyone forget about Sleep Ward potions? If you have 33 baseline resist with melds + HQ food, you'll be at 53 with a HQ Sleep Ward.

Over 50% reduction is nothing to scoff at. If you Purify the first sleep and pop a potion before the 2nd sleep hits you will spend a max of 10s slept over the next minute.



With 13 meldable pieces equipped (one hand wep + offhand) and 5 possible melds in each you could hypothetically reach 65 resist before food (unless there are caps on each item). Add on some food and pots and you're at 90% duration reduction. I'm not saying a sane person would actually fully overmeld a one slot item but I've seen min/maxers with fully melded Grade IV materia in everything. And that was before the price of materia plummetted.

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Originally Posted by Nenin

Why does everyone forget about Sleep Ward potions? If you have 33 baseline resist with melds + HQ food, you'll be at 53 with a HQ Sleep Ward.

Over 50% reduction is nothing to scoff at. If you Purify the first sleep and pop a potion before the 2nd sleep hits you will spend a max of 10s slept over the next minute.

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So, what you're saying is, if a player forsakes all other benefits from materia/food/potions/purify and commits themselves entirely to countering 1 spell, they have a 60 second window? I'm not saying the potions (or sleep resist in general) is bad, but it does not justify the maximum duration of sleep.

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Originally Posted by Nenin

With 13 meldable pieces equipped (one hand wep + offhand)...

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PvP accessories are not meldable. Anyone who tries to use lv70 PvE crafts in high ranked arena will be crushed, sleep or no sleep.

Ill be more clear. ilvl 90 and Ilvl 70 pieces cap at +4 of one resist. Therefore you cannot stack resist past 28 with melds (yes forbidden melding included in belt). I made this post so people wouldnt have to waste marks. that is all. If you want to argue if it is better good or whatever make a new thread please.

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Originally Posted by Mitski

So, what you're saying is, if a player forsakes all other benefits from materia/food/potions/purify and commits themselves entirely to countering 1 spell, they have a 60 second window? I'm not saying the potions (or sleep resist in general) is bad, but it does not justify the maximum duration of sleep.


PvP accessories are not meldable. Anyone who tries to use lv70 PvE crafts in high ranked arena will be crushed, sleep or no sleep.

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I'm quite aware of how strong sleep is. The duration will likely be lowered in the coming patch. In general though the healer should be the only one concerned with stacking resist. You sacrifice almost nothing melding 10-20 resist on pieces that have lower stat caps (no chest/legs/weapon). Even without food you can exceed 1/3 reduction in duration for sleep/stun/slow etc after using a pot.

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Originally Posted by Djlovedrop

Ill be more clear. ilvl 90 and Ilvl 70 pieces cap at +4 of one resist. Therefore you cannot stack resist past 28 with melds (yes forbidden melding included in belt). I made this post so people wouldnt have to waste marks. that is all. If you want to argue if it is better good or whatever make a new thread please.

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+4 resist cap, that's good to know. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Rawkzor

But what about the fights where you don't fight BLM or WHM? Should we really have to stack every socket with Sleep resist, just for that one crowd control effect? If one CC has that much power, it sounds like it needs some looking at.

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Run multiple suits. By the time you hit R30, you'll have enough for multiple i70 suits at least.

Or, depending on your class, there's probably a secondary stat that you don't care about, so instead of slotting for that, you could just overmeld in place of that.

Seriously though, at least as a tank, I always ran with a tank suit and a dps suit depending on the content. Not an issue.