Ifrit Hard Mode Patch?

Did they patch Ifrit where the stuns dont work back to back? 5 groups so far in the DF and there are no stuns. Each PLD that comes in says there was a stealth patch. Someone confirm please? I'm working on my 4th relic and it's either all these groups are god awful, or something is wrong here.

Yes he resists stun more quickly now. I recommend stunning every other eruption.

I was in a group for this a about a week ago, and our PLD was unable to stun the eruptions consistently, even though he was hitting the button. This makes me wonder.

I can confirm this.

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

Yes he resists stun more quickly now. I recommend stunning every other eruption.

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I fail to see the point in this "update" but thanks for the info.

The point was to make Ifrit HM less faceroll easy (though honestly it's a bit too late for that now).

Oh, and it's still faceroll easy if you know how to use the W, A, S and D keys. GG Squee.

It's not specific to Ifrit. It's diminishing returns on status afflictions (like stun) in general. The timer for resistance reset starts with the last effect now, instead of the first one.

From the patch notes:

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Status affliction resistances will now begin counting after the last corresponding status affliction is received.

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This new change has made Ifrit hard somewhat challenging. Now you have to be able to avoid eruptions because not all can be interrupted. Before it was easymode where you could interrupt every single one.

They didn't change ifrit, they changed the stun

That smells like a PvP change affecting PvE.

Something Squee said wouldn't happen... could they have been lying? Le gasp.

Thank you all for your responses

Is moving to the side really that difficult? Good luck on Titan then.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

Is moving to the side really that difficult? Good luck on Titan then.

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I dont remember seeing anyone complaining about moving. It was a question about the stuns. Thanks for the useless post.

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Originally Posted by synaesthetic

That smells like a PvP change affecting PvE.

Something Squee said wouldn't happen... could they have been lying? Le gasp.

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Not at all, it was broken before. Diminishing returns is always meant to count down after the last effect hits. Not the first.

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Originally Posted by KyteStones

I dont remember seeing anyone complaining about moving. It was a question about the stuns. Thanks for the useless post.

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Unfortunately, you fit your post in right before mine. I was responding to the more negative responses to the change, this in particular:

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Originally Posted by synaesthetic

That smells like a PvP change affecting PvE.

Something Squee said wouldn't happen... could they have been lying? Le gasp.

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But thanks for your equally useless response.

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Originally Posted by synaesthetic

That smells like a PvP change affecting PvE.

Something Squee said wouldn't happen... could they have been lying? Le gasp.

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The smells to me like an assumption based of nothing. Seems more like they fixed the diminishing returns to make more sense.

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Originally Posted by Lyrinn

Is moving to the side really that difficult? Good luck on Titan then.

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There have been a bunch of times i've run this in the past few days, where right before the "get under his butt" plumes, eruptions covering the spot where you have to go and either not being stunned or not able to be stunned. So many wipes have been caused by this lately. Doesn't matter if you can avoid them, if they are placed bad, you won't make it to the spot in time or eat too many eruptions to survive.

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Originally Posted by rabbitzero

There have been a bunch of times i've run this in the past few days, where right before the "get under his butt" plumes, eruptions covering the spot where you have to go and either not being stunned or not able to be stunned. So many wipes have been caused by this lately. Doesn't matter if you can avoid them, if they are placed bad, you won't make it to the spot in time or eat too many eruptions to survive.

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This is a player issue. Like Titan, Ifrit has a pretty set rotation. Before those set of plumes, people can be on the outer edge, ready for eruptions. They they rotate on the outside circle til they finish and then run in. Stun is most certainly not needed.

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Originally Posted by rabbitzero

There have been a bunch of times i've run this in the past few days, where right before the "get under his butt" plumes, eruptions covering the spot where you have to go and either not being stunned or not able to be stunned. So many wipes have been caused by this lately. Doesn't matter if you can avoid them, if they are placed bad, you won't make it to the spot in time or eat too many eruptions to survive.

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I've pugged Ifrit so many times that tanks not interrupting was common. Dodging the eruptions isn't difficult, and even if you do get hit by one, it's not going to kill you. HM Ifrit is a joke without interrupts and an even bigger joke with them.

Honestly, if this was about anything but Ifrit, maybe I'd be a little more sympathetic but not being able to interrupt him is hardly worth complaining about.

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Originally Posted by Bixby

It's not specific to Ifrit. It's diminishing returns on status afflictions (like stun) in general. The timer for resistance reset starts with the last effect now, instead of the first one.

From the patch notes:

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Seems you and I are the only ones that actually read the patch notes, not just the new battles added

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Originally Posted by synaesthetic

That smells like a PvP change affecting PvE.

Something Squee said wouldn't happen... could they have been lying? Le gasp.

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I think it's a PvP changed to stun too, I notice on Paladin stun get resisted more and doesn't work now on players if you constantly spam Stun on them.

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Originally Posted by Zaiken

I think it's a PvP changed to stun too, I notice on Paladin stun get resisted more and doesn't work now on players if you constantly spam Stun on them.

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Uh? I think some people here have no idea what Diminishing returns is. Prior to the patch, you could use a stun, any stun, 3 times in quick succession, but each one after the first was shorter. First, Full Duration. Second, Half Duration. Third, Quarter Duration. Then you had a period of time where the target was immune. Once that timer was up, you could start over with 3 stuns. The change only makes the timer start after the LAST of the three stuns, not the first. Which is how it should be. It's designed so you can't stun(and certain other things, like sleep) near constantly.

Paladin stun goes 6-3-1-nothing, until you don't stun for about a min or so then it resets.

I had so many issues and frustrations with this right as the patch came out. Lol a lot of the other party members would put the blame on me even thou I knew I was hitting every eruption and it kept popping up resist. I was surprised I never got kicked for the false blame. I did realize majority of the time your able to stun 3 eruptions then it will generally be 3 stun resist. But sometimes this is not the case, there were a few times I also had it only stunning 2 times and resist 3+ after which was frustrating being the ot.

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Originally Posted by Kyandeisu

I had so many issues and frustrations with this right as the patch came out. Lol a lot of the other party members would put the blame on me even thou I knew I was hitting every eruption and it kept popping up resist. I was surprised I never got kicked for the false blame. I did realize majority of the time your able to stun 3 eruptions then it will generally be 3 stun resist. But sometimes this is not the case, there were a few times I also had it only stunning 2 times and resist 3+ after which was frustrating being the ot.

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It counts ANY stun. It's not linked to the ability you use. Meaning any 3 stuns, from any player/class/job will trigger it.

its a rightful change to a mechanic that was OP in PvE (idk/c about the pvp). I think they even reduced his eruption damage a little to make up for it though

Ya I've done 2 relics since the patch and Ifrit is now even harder than he was pre 2.1 its pretty stupid. Why Reduce the damage from eruption but up the resist rate? I could see if the ilvl was high enough to where players have to be geared but people can enter with AF/AK gear and it makes it harder.

They didn't buff his resist rate, they fixed the timer for Diminishing returns. ie it's how it was supposed to be now.

The only issue I have with the stun resist change is Chimera. The damage Ram's Voice is still pretty insane and the majority of people trying that fight are really undergeared. Not to mention the huge amount of people who constantly tell the PLD to stun it all the time... (there was also a PLD telling the 2 BLM to cycle silences, but let's not go there...).

The change makes complete sense. I shouldn't be able to completely shut down every Ifrit Eruption, especially when it's extremely easy to dodge. Hell, Ifrit EX Eruptions are easy to avoid. Run out before it explodes and then run back and repeat until all the eruptions are done. There isn't even a need to run around and endanger anyone.Can even run in a smallish triangle.

Seriously, Eruption shouldn't even have needed to be interrupted in the first place.

Wow, all you guys worried about this woulda had a hard time in 1.0 ifrit lol. 0 stuns, many eruptions for you to dodge.

Am I the only one that moved out of the way pre-patch just in case eruption didn't get stunned?