Crafting needs to be made useful especally cooking.

Am I the only one who feels that crafting is pretty much worthless in this game? Combat jobs get all their gear from dungeons and such, never has any materia slots making the entire materia system pretty much pointless for them (with the exception of the pvp set, but your not going to do coil or something in pvp gear). Crafters cannot make anything worth equipping for lv 50 combat jobs other than a weapon thats used to make the relic.

Cooking is especally worthless as the buffs are so small they are not even noticable at all. I think they need to have 2-3x the amount of stat boost they currently do to actually be useful.

Am I the only one who feels crafters need to be made part of the combat job endgame? I was thinking along the lines of gear being dropped in parts, and you have to have a crafter of a certan skill/stat to piece it together with a special interface, also make the materials no-trade so people can't just sell them on the market.

I dunno. I do pretty well selling the food I craft and I only started leveling culinarian because I was spending way too much to buy food from others. I bought most of the mats used to level and a lot of them were not cheap. I was down to 500 gil several times between buying mats and HQ gear. Someone's making all of my money :P

Requiring people to get all their gear from crafting and no dungeon drops? Doubt it'll happen. Play a more prominent role and not be 20-25 item levels behind the best gear in the game? Would be nice, but apparently SE is scared of RMT somehow + people getting the best gear without even walking into the hard content.

Multiple ways of letting crafting play a role without letting people skip the hard dungeons, but whatever... crafting is all but sidelined at this point.

Food and potions are actually pretty useful but have certain things about them that make them a pain in the ass to create or use. For food, the shard requirement is insane (although the fact that it does not wear upon death anymore helps a ton) and for Potions, some of the mats are annoying to get ahold of and you have to deal with the medication timer when using potions.

Honestly I think culinarian got the biggest bonus post-patch. The food now is actually pretty good stat wise. The price on it is too much for me right now. I think the problem is a general crafting issue. Crafting is only needed for relic weapons so no one cares. That's a shame too.

I'm not sure I agree that food is useless, the higher tier foods adds the equivalent stats of an accessory and a half. Now imagine if everyone in your 8 man party would use food, that's hundreds of extra stats across the board.They seem profitable enough as well, my sister only just dinged 50 with her cook (her highest lvl class) and she's already sitting just shy of a million gil.

Crafting won't be useful until they let us specialize in a craft or two instead of this "everyone gets to be everything!" thing they have going on.

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Originally Posted by Melisenna

Crafting won't be useful until they let us specialize in a craft or two instead of this "everyone gets to be everything!" thing they have going on.

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Dont you dare mess with my self-sufficiency, I have all 3 DoL, and 4 DoH mastered, and I'm working on the rest. I can literally make almost anything I can use, and when I'm bored I go farm mid level mats HQ stuff and put it on the AH where it usually sells pretty quickly :)

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Originally Posted by KagatoAC

Dont you dare mess with my self-sufficiency, I have all 3 DoL, and 4 DoH mastered, and I'm working on the rest. I can literally make almost anything I can use, and when I'm bored I go farm mid level mats HQ stuff and put it on the AH where it usually sells pretty quickly :)

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Heh, I bet you'd be singing a different tune if everyone was as tenacious about crafting and gathering as some of us. I think the point Melisenna was emphasizing was that, aside from the occasional dungeon, this a very single-player/solo intensive game ....... which doesn't reflect to well in the MMO genre. We need interaction and people that specialize in certain areas, whether combat or tradeskills, to grow more as a community. That's what the intended vision initially was for thse types of games, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Scyris

Am I the only one who feels that crafting is pretty much worthless in this game?

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Believe me, you're not alone.
Crafting as a whole needs to have a bigger place in the game. The Materia system needs a bit of love too, imo.

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Originally Posted by Melisenna

Crafting won't be useful until they let us specialize in a craft or two instead of this "everyone gets to be everything!" thing they have going on.

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I hope they allow us to specialize when the first lvl cap increase happens.

Something I would like to see is high level, untradeable crafted gear. While high level sets like Vanya and Darksteel are appreciated, they are necessarily crippled from being the best items due to being buyable (Hence why the highest sets are 70, not 90). SE doesn't want someone to just wrangle up a bunch of gil and buy the best weapons and armor in the game. I've made such an argument in the past, and usually get the response of "If I can't sell it to make money, what's the point?" and "Why should I need to level a crafting job to get the best gear?" Well, the point would be having great gear, and if you don't like to craft there's plenty of other high level gear you can obtain.

id like to see high level recipes dropped in certain dungeons that u can craft some godly untradable stuff would put more importance into crafting then currently is ;/

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Originally Posted by ruinedmirage

Heh, I bet you'd be singing a different tune if everyone was as tenacious about crafting and gathering as some of us. I think the point Melisenna was emphasizing was that, aside from the occasional dungeon, this a very single-player/solo intensive game ....... which doesn't reflect to well in the MMO genre. We need interaction and people that specialize in certain areas, whether combat or tradeskills, to grow more as a community. That's what the intended vision initially was for thse types of games, in my opinion.

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Yes and No, the biggest thing I've noticed is that the few people who do make HQ stuff for lower level jobs overprice it to the point of stupidity, its really easy to HQ below lvl 40 recipes and yet people feel they can price these items for 15k+ I dropped half a dozen lvl 25 HQ helms on the board for 3k, and they sell like hotcakes :)

I leveled culinarian just to be self-sufficient in that regard so I wasn't paying a ton of money for food. It's really hard to make any money with it though after considering the time and effort involved in gathering the ingredients, as that's really the only way you can truly profit.

Crafting is not useless, but it's definitely less profitable than it was in 2.0

I think anyone who crafts for gil is missing the point. You level crafting in order to make your own equipment and supplies. Along the way, you may also pick up a few gil from time to time by selling off your extras, but making money isn't what crafting is for.

I think Urthdigger has a good idea about top level gear that can be crafted by is only wearable by the crafter who can make it. That would be a good way of making crafting more important to the game.

As to the idea of specializing, I'd drop my subscription if they added a rule that in order to continue one class I'd have to abandon others. It's dangerous to change the target audience of a game mid-stream after it's been out for a while, and so far this game is rather heavily targeting completionists who really like the fact that we can pursue anything and everything to its fullest.

I think there needs to be more crafted high-level gear. We have Vanya... and what, one other item? That's it? :(
Also, we level so fast... why buy or take the time to make mid-level crafted gear?
If crafted gear looked damn awesome, people might collect it... but even if it did, it's not like we have storage space for it. :(

Unfortunately I agree that crafting atm is pretty pointless now that many people have ranked up so much. Need specialization and crafted items that offer situational benefits. But I will still take it over version 1 which became a crafters game for a long time.

I took Culinarian to 50 because I wanted to make food, because it will ALWAYS be needed, but the profit margin on it is relatively small compared to other crafts, but it's constant.

The main issue with selling crafted goods is undercutting, which goes back to the argument of "if everyone can be everything, what's the point? because you end up with too many crafters all trying to sell the same stuff at the same time, so you have price wars and people undercutting like crazy.

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Originally Posted by Urthdigger

Something I would like to see is high level, untradeable crafted gear. While high level sets like Vanya and Darksteel are appreciated, they are necessarily crippled from being the best items due to being buyable (Hence why the highest sets are 70, not 90). SE doesn't want someone to just wrangle up a bunch of gil and buy the best weapons and armor in the game. I've made such an argument in the past, and usually get the response of "If I can't sell it to make money, what's the point?" and "Why should I need to level a crafting job to get the best gear?" Well, the point would be having great gear, and if you don't like to craft there's plenty of other high level gear you can obtain.

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Not much one to simply come around to emphasize another's post but he's got the right of it. Crafting could simply be yet another venue of gear acquisition of the various we already get as long as it WAS possible to have certain untradeable crafted gear.

For one thing...

Cooking/Culinary are always in demand. Food can give quite big difference when you're doing hardcore endgame contents, like Coil.

And... a HQ crafted gears especially with penta-melds would compare with even iLvl 90 gears, especially accessories. DPS jobs with around 5k health point anyone? :D

HQ crafted gear actually cannot necessarily compare with level 90 gear due to item stat caps. The only way materia helps is to add stats that weren't on the item in the first place. It's not like you can pentameld all strength into an item or something.