I'm unsure of where to begin regarding this post. I've played quite a number of matches (currently about to ding Rank 25. I believe I am also the highest ranked player on my server or so I've been told.) and for the most part I've enountered just about every poster on this forum in the PvP sub-menu. I normally solo queue because the population on my server is near dead. I see a few people from Balmung from time to time PvP and on occassion I'll run with them. Anyhow, I run PvP as a PLD. I don't have OP DPS and rather than someone say I have a stun lock. There are other classes whom I share those "stuns" with. DRGs in particular tend to be very greedy with those stuns due to their high output of damage. I'll meet a few MNKs here and there diminishing the returns, but its semi rare they use Shoulder Tackle from my experience.
Returning to the topic aforementioned. What do you all expect of PvPers in LV50 matches? I for one, and contrary to popular belief CAN'T CARRY a PvP team. I simply can't. I can help alleviate some stress in the fight and peel/stun, but unlike PvE. PLDs can't carry. Healers do. A great healer can keep the fight in play for a very long time. I can't speak for the MRD/WAR community but I imagine they may do a little better job of a "carry" vice a paltry PLD.
For the past 2 days as I've been mind numbingly grinding PvP. I've been seeing a trend of new PvP people. Nothing wrong with being new, but first and foremost, don't blame the highest geared member of your team for a failed run or expect them to win the fight solo. If you're entering a LV50 match, get some Morale equipment. Its cheap and effective to a certain degree if using the ilvl55 set. I do not recommend running in Darklight or AF1. PvP at LV50 is pretty unforgiving if you don't come prepared or at least attempt to learn the ropes somewhat from the lower tiered brackets.
Healers: Cast Protect and Stoneskin. PvP is a different environment, and for those who say those buffs do nothing are smoking crack. Why? I've not seen any evidence stating these buffs don't help mitigate damage. When I attack another person and I am doing 0 damage. I see stoneskin absorbing damage. Whence stoneskin falls, I see protect absorbing damage too. I know of 3 healers by name who've sworn these buffs do nothing. Furthermore, if you're a scholar cast stoneskin on the party pre-fight during the 1 minute start-up. How hard is it to have a SCH cast stoneskin? Why don't they think its a necessary tool to have in the fight?
DPS: Crowd control debuffs. I know some party make-ups are stronger than others, but learn to use them. Not advocating that one should "spam, spam, spam" their debuffs. BLMs need no explanation on sleep. BRDs? How hard is it to bind? Bind is a powerful tool. Especially when you need to close the gap and/or keep a player rooted to allow the party some quick relief. DRGs use the jump stun in the event the target is trying to get away or close the gap. Numerous times have I seen a DRG start their DPS rotation with a jump stun. Nothing wrong with that, but compared to a 6 second stun...that's a huge tradeoff. MNKs? Yeah, I dunno. They just speedwalk everywhere don't they? SMNs, please don't use Titan-egi in PvP. No one wants to see a giant peanut crusted floating turd in the arena. You're making an embarrassment of yourselves.
That's my two cents. This is just a trend I've been seeing among "new" players in the LV50 matches. I don't mind losing a match and as a solo queue, I'm at the mercy of whatever the RNG gods throw at me. Sometimes I get a great team and other times I get horrid players. Its the nature of the beast. I am by no means a "crap" player. I'm sure there are a number of people here on the forums who probably recognize my name. In addition, for the PvP regulars I see in the arena thanks for the encouragement to keep grinding and great fights. See you in the arena soon.
So to the forum posters. What do you expect of your party members in the arena? I'm curious to see if there are any congruent thoughts on this matter.
LV50 PvP Expectations
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12-31-2013, 03:05 PMVanityLV50 PvP Expectations
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12-31-2013, 03:34 PMAlhanelem
The main expectation I have is simply that all party members have their supporting skills before they start joining PvP. There's nothing that upsets me more than, for instance, when a SCH doesn't have stoneskin or anyone else doesn't have a core ability that supports their job. Other than that I just expect people to have an understanding of threat levels of different targets and general strategy.
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12-31-2013, 03:41 PMRyuuji
i suck at pvp
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12-31-2013, 03:42 PMTaneshimaPopura
Yeap I hate it most when Lancers/Monk just simply stun not only that they still use it for damage after it is immune rendering that target forever immune to stun.
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12-31-2013, 07:29 PMGabbelgak
I'm horrible at pvp so I don't have much room to talk but I'd say mine is that if I sleep a person who is solo beating on me (whm) that you please don't stop what your doing, run over and smack it and break sleep.
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12-31-2013, 11:49 PMsheepysheepyThatQuote:
Originally Posted by Gabbelgak
Or someone tries to take the lead, asks you to sleep the other healer while they burn a dps, then proceeds to aa their healer. /clap -
01-01-2014, 12:07 AMMitski
In an ideal world, players would get, at a minimum, full lv55 PvP gear, communicate, stay positive, and at have a general idea of what their class can/should be doing. Unfortunately, the only realistic expectations I have for random people is that they will be bad and blame others; sad but true for 90% of the people in #yoloque. This is why I prefer full pre-made.
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01-01-2014, 02:40 AMFyreus
There are plenty of times where i'd get into the healers range and stun only for 3 secs because mnks are always on time with that. They should really do something about stun's resistance timer.
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01-01-2014, 03:24 AMPhantom_Lunar
Quick Question here. My bard is Full i90 and BIS cept for the ultima choker. I am getting few pvp pieces as I am starting to pvp more. Should I trade my pve stuff for i 55 pvp crafted gear? or just work with it until I farm all i 70? Currently I have 4 i 70 pvp gear and planning to change all my gear to it except for weapon.
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01-01-2014, 04:01 AMBlindfate
Personally I don't see the appeal. I picked up playing the game again a day or so ago. Got the PvP quest to go to the island, figured, "I'll give it a try."
Buffed everyone, stacked Regen on everyone and charged in. I lasted maybe 15 seconds, getting focused down, chain-stunned, and couldn't do a damn thing.
After the second game where I basically dropped like a bag of rocks, I basically said, "Welp." and just left the island.
I have no intention of returning, nor do I find the appeal of PvP in this game very...uh...appealing. Let those that want to circlejerk over gear, titles, and other crap do so.
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01-01-2014, 04:59 AMMitskiIf you have full lv90 PvE gear, I would hold out for the lv70 PvP set.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phantom_Lunar