Waiting for everything... More waiting than playing...

Wait for everything because of drop outs

Of my in-game time I estimate I have waited for 70% of the time. Mostly by Revenants toll, which seems to be the optimal "waiting spot".

xtreme waiting time for everything. And when you suddenly have gathered a party, some wonderful people test 1 or 2 times and drop out, which usually splits the whole party, and you have to wait again.

If the person drops out, hes punished by 15 min. This is wrong. I seriously mean that a person that joins a party, and drops out, should be punished by the total waiting time party leader. Some times I wait for a COIL for 2 hours, get party, then 1 person drops out because 1 other isnt experience. This often lowers the partys morale, which ends with a party split.

Perfect way of wasting my time.

The party leader should be the one to decide if the one who drops out is to be punished or not, often the party leader is the one who waited the longest time.

Am I the only one waiting all the time?!

Maybe, thank you for your great feed-back, didn't solve anything.

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Originally Posted by BlackStigma

Maybe, thank you for your great feed-back, didn't solve anything.

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What are you expecting to solve?

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Originally Posted by Myrhn

What are you expecting to solve?

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To solve the drop out problems. If a rage drop out or similar has a longer punishment, maybe they will not drop out so easily. And if the drop out is resonable, not rage or similar, the party leader can grant a punish-free drop out/leave.

there's always going to be a wait when you run as a dps.
There is always more people playing DPS than healers and even less people playing tanks. It's this way in any MMO you go to, especially theme-park MMO's.

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Originally Posted by CyanDvai

there's always going to be a wait when you run as a dps.
There is always more people playing DPS than healers and even less people playing tanks. It's this way in any MMO you go to, especially theme-park MMO's.

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No question about it. But it is still possible to reduce the waiting. As the first reply states, it sounds like people bought the game because they like to wait. Nobody likes to wait, so beat it. It is not everybody that have time to play every day a week. Therefore the playing time is more treasured. Yoshi only says that he sees MMORPGs like a theme-park. It was not made for waiting, but it is not avoidable, but reduceble.

What do you want, have SE magically make tanks and healers appear out of thin air?

If you solo queue up to something, expect to wait until the Duty finder has made the party for you.
Otherwise, make a premade or roll tank or healer yourself.

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Originally Posted by Shirai

What do you want, have SE magically make tanks and healers appear out of thin air?

If you solo queue up to something, expect to wait until the Duty finder has made the party for you.
Otherwise, make a premade or roll tank or healer yourself.

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Sry, see corrected Thread title, people seems to misunderstand the actual issue.

Regardless of what you do in any MMO you're going to have to wait a certain amount of time. The only time where you do not have to wait to do content is if you already have a party of 4 people. They already resolved the issue of reserving an instance, so now the only wait time is waiting on actual people to play the game with you. SE can't do anything about that. If 90% of the tanks want to do a premade party with their FC/LS then that leaves even less tanks that queue up for the DF. The roulette has helped a little bit in this by giving those tanks and healers that mostly run things in premades incentives to running in DF.

If SE made everything soloable, you might as well be playing a stand alone rpg. You can't do anything about the people trolling groups in DF, if someone decides that they no longer have time to do a dungeon when the acceptance pops and they declined, nothing can be done about that. I've waited for 30+ minutes on my DRG and while doing other things forgot that I queued up and when it finally pops had to decline because I no longer had time to run it. All that happens there if a dps declines is you stay at the front of the line for another dps, same thing if a tank declines, you don't get sent to the back, you just have to wait for another tank to queue up.

OP: I know you don't want to hear this, but this is part of playing an MMO if you don't make enough friends to fill groups all the time. There is nothing wrong with this. It is how these games work. It is how every online game works when there is a group making system. I remember before developers even created such systems. Waiting in cities for hours in chat systems finding people.
It is in your best interest to join a FC or a LS that is very active and people run things together. Find a static for raiding. Otherwise there is very little the developer should do to fix the issue you have. Just over punishing people doesn't make the game fun.
So many posts advocating punishment when just finding a group of friends solves all of these issues.

It would probably help if you could find something else to do during that time you're waiting. If you are only interested in doing end game/instanced content, well, that could be an issue.

Myself, I can always find something to do. Daily Roulettes, daily treasure map, level another class, gather stuff for money or level a crafting class. There's tons of things to do in game, but if you limit yourself to one then there's not much you can do about that.

:: PROBLEM SOLVED:: - Go do something productive in your "waiting" time like harvest or craft. Maybe explore other in game content that the game offers. Also I would like to point out that many of us played FFXI, want to talk about wait times...Go stand in the dunes for a few hours trying to form a party all the time. Another fix to your "problem", go level another class, you can always switch back when the PF or DF fill up and duty is commenced. Its comments like the OP's that make me understand the sad state that many MMO's are in these days. Don't want to wait go play Call of Duty, want a game with a deep story that you can't power though in 5 minutes, go get FF. People like you are rushing to complete all the content and move on to the next game that is released anyway so...I guess to wrap it up complain when something is actually wrong.

Part of me says if you want fast queues, you need to be a tank or healer. If continuing to wait as DPS or switching to tank or healer is asking too much then you should play a different game like an offline RPG so you can always be doing things with practically no waiting times (basically just load screens).

Another part of me thinks SE should have had more DPS slots. If SE had 8 man parties with 1 tank 1 healer and 6 DPS then queue times would be much more even. I played an online RPG that basically had a 1 healer 5 DPS requirement and 1 tank 1 healer 4 DPS requirements. Getting tanks for the 1 tank 1 healer 4 DPS quests was sometimes a problem but DPS didn't have to wait more than 10 minutes usually as opposed to 20 minutes - 90 minutes in ARR.

I used to be tank because of the queue times and that's what my free company wanted. I am probably changing to DPS because I enjoy DPS. Even though I can tank alright, I don't always enjoy it and struggle with things like snap enmity and multitasking. I hate multitasking things like managing adds, stacks, DOTs, statuses, etc. I am doing BLM DPS because it is more reactive and rotation based. I don't see SE ever changing the party set up. But the wait times are discouraging to the many players that like the DPS play style and waiting will cause some people to leave. You can't cater to everyone and the game isn't for everyone but the 1 tank 1 healer 2 DPS decision might not have been the best.

I mine while I wait, Problem solved!

Ok thx for feed-back. Maybe I "rage-opened" a thread yesterday. Feels better today, logging on... :)

Or do as I now doing: check forum while waiting :D

Anyway, glad that you understand and feeling better.
But just FYI, FFXIV is already a vast improvement with Duty Finder, Roulette, all those gathering/crafting and etc that you can do while waiting.
Back in the old MMO days, if you do not have guild/friends in game, you had to actually crawl to the dungeon's entrance through a thickets of monsters, to meet players of similar needs in the zone over there, shout/yell/tell to form a team before you can finally head into the dungeon...it's quite engaging initially, but the charm lose pretty quickly if you had to do it over and over, as that's very time-consuming to even get something started, and then you may not even have a successful run in the end.


BTW, instead of using Duty Finder, you may find groups through Party Finder too, it can be faster sometimes if you are the last few person needed.

During my last few days as a PLD in Final Fantasy XI I remember waiting anywhere from 2 - 3 hours shouting for a party in Jeuno. Then, if you finally get a party it's a 20 - 30 run to the zone then you are pretty much committed to spending at least 1 - 2 hours with party grinding.

Extremes are just new, you expect to get a pug going within 15 minutes then downing them all without having people drop out? If you want to do the hardest newest stuff in the game you really should find a good fc or a good static group at least.

I feel the waiting is only a true problem when lvling a dps class. You can queue a random dungeon but there are so many low lvl dungeons where you get so much less exp, not to mention that damn ifrit story mode. Queue for a couple specific dungeons, and the new Roulette hardly has much of an effect on queue times compared to before 2.1, i've seen.

lol, I remember my first MMO...

Protip: Play healer or Tank to minimize your 'waiting' time. Form a static, make friends and play with people you know instead of winging it in public groups.

If you play healer or tank you won't wait around that long.

Blame all the people playing dps wanting to pewpew, and not learn how to roll a tank or healer.

Cant count how many times in TS3 or vent, that I have gotten to discussion on the amount of dps people play vs heals and tanks, and most people say something along the lines of:

"It looks too hard, I don't want to have the responsibility they have, so I play dps"

I find dps fun, tanking and healing looked boring to me, and intimidating, but I rolled a tank and a healer, and can keep up with the best, and I enjoy both probably more-so than dps.

There will always be more DPS than there will tanks or healers. Thats a symptom that all MMO's have. But, you shouldn't be "forced" to play a tank or healer due to the wait being unreasonably long. There are tanks on, I see them all the time. Problem is, there isn't enough incentive to call them into action. A little extra xp and money ONCE a day, isnt enough to solve the queue time issues. Blizzard solved theres, they added a goodie bag that at the least contained flasks, money and such, AND you got it every time you queued. Which made it more worthwhile to run dungeons. Giving it out once, isnt enough. People do it once then forget about it.

I spend a majority of my time not waiting for anything, than again, I play a tank.
Hue hue.

Waiting and DPs go hand in hand for every mmo in existence. Its the main reason I roll tank. Every. Single. Time.

I didn't even realize other classes were waiting.

I rolled a tank and have never spent more than 2 minutes waiting for an instance.

(sorry to the DPS'ers) :eek:

I came up with a "unethical" solution after waiting an hour to get in CT:
1.- Invite a friend or someone who is a tank/healer and is doing something else but DF/dungeons.
2.- Join any dungeon in DF.
3.- Pum ¡ Insta-queue time. Join Party.
4.- Wait to get into dungeon.
5.- Friend withdraw and keeps doing what he/she was doing.
6.- Wait for the replace, usually less than a minute.
7.- ???
8.- Profit

The wait times have been off-putting before...
But I've just started trying to get Thornmarch done...

Bloody hell, this is terrible.

the party design simply sucks. waiting time are a general problem in mmos for years since its well known that most of the ppl play dd anyway where it's pretty easy to solve the problem by creating dungeons which require more dds....imagine the dungeons to be designed to need a team of 1 tank, 3-4 dds and 1-2 healer, queue times for pretty much everyone would easily drop by huge amouts! And additionally create space for way more intresting boss mechanics!