Don't bring a PvE weapon to a PvP fight

http://alchemy.shivtr.com/gallery_images/661302

Proof of why a PvP weapon is always the best choice for PvP Allegan dont matter here.

Lol, how does this prove anything?

3:32 Time Lapse. A game like that I would have done 32k with my Allagan Battleaxe. On another note, yes iLvl 90 PvP Weapon will beat Allagan Battleaxe.

Primal/Elfin bow > i70 PvP bow.

The only way to prove which weapon is better would be to arrange 4vs4 premade and test things out on targets with 0 morale, capped morale and so on.

Comparing damage in solo/random queue is not really reliable since there are so many variables. If I remember right the BLM he had on his team is wearing AK gear and the last time I encountered him he started the fight with a hardcasted Flare (not kidding).

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Originally Posted by TaneshimaPopura

3:32 Time Lapse. A game like that I would have done 32k with my Allagan Battleaxe. On another note, yes iLvl 90 PvP Weapon will beat Allagan Battleaxe.

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32K huh? yeah, sure. If you are doing 32K damage in that amount of time, and the fight is not over, then you messed up somewhere. Anyway, I have the i lvl 70 pvp axe, not the i lvl 90 yet. And this is not the first time I have pwned an Allagan Axe MRD/ WAR in pvp. Troll all you want, but this picture says a lot.

1 picture from 1 match doesn't really say anything... especially since it looks like you were queued with a healer and the other tank wasn't

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Originally Posted by Hulk_Smash

32K huh? yeah, sure. If you are doing 32K damage in that amount of time, and the fight is not over, then you messed up somewhere. Anyway, I have the i lvl 70 pvp axe, not the i lvl 90 yet. And this is not the first time I have pwned an Allagan Axe MRD/ WAR in pvp. Troll all you want, but this picture says a lot.

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It really dosent :| You do more damage in a game dose not mean anything about the weapon being better. For instance (and I really dont want to stroke your epeen here) your probably just a better pvper. Or he gets alot of lag (I know tons of ppl that get warps all over the place from Australia.) If you have the same weapon as him you would more then likely still do the same damage you do now.

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Originally Posted by Hulk_Smash

http://alchemy.shivtr.com/gallery_images/661302

Proof of why a PvP weapon is always the best choice for PvP Allegan dont matter here.

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I thought the adage was don't bring a knife to a gun fight?

You won because you had Pretty Cure with you.
No but seriously this isnt the way to "test" pvp weapons vs pve weapons.
What weapon was the DRG using? Because he did some good damage there.

It would be nice to have a test arena or something to challenge our friends 1vs1, even just to test morale.

I thought pvp weapons were only earned in pvp, making it required for people to have at least some time in pvp using pve weapons no matter what.

@ Hulk

Your game lapse time was that long 3:32, meaning you'd screw up that much too? And you only did that measly amount, Most of my match are done before 1:40 minutes mark with an average of 14-15k. You are just overestimating yourself and your PvP weapon. The only reason you'd use iLvl70 weapon is when you are the healer or a SMN/BLM cause you get focused and need the morale purely for defensive purpose.

That's some pretty crap damage for such a long game, and it proves nothing except that you're either a troll or just plain stupid.

My friend does that much dmg as a MRD in a fight half as long with the EX Primal weapon, fwiw.

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Originally Posted by BrandoH

That's some pretty crap damage for such a long game, and it proves nothing except that you're either a troll or just plain stupid.

My friend does that much dmg as a MRD in a fight half as long with the EX Primal weapon, fwiw.

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In all honesty, I wasn't really trying to "show off" how much damage i did. I do realize that this is not very much damage, considering the time. My only actual comment about damage, was in a response to Taneshima. I guess some ppl lock on to one thing, and that is all they can think about/ see. As Taneshima pointed out, an i lvl 70 pvp weapon, would have been superior here, if not for the damage, but for the survivability. As Rocky Balboa once said, "It aint about how hard you can hit. Its about how hard you can get hit, and still keep going." If you are dead, you not doing your team much good.

http://prntscr.com/2f41yc

pvp vs pve

Problem is MRDs hardly get hit hence why Allagan is better. Ilvl 90 PvP is stronger cause the interaction of Determination, Morale, Weapon DMG and STR + Berserk will make it undoubtedly stronger.

@Kazim

I can't relate shit from that Screenie.

Pretty Cure :3

I dont believe in post match dmg done. You will do so much more damage if you ARENT getting binded, knockbacked, and slept, this boosts your percieved damage more than anything else. Join me in another dimension (maybe japan) where tanks are always focused first, and ill show you their damage drops hard as well. And in duels the one who has the most stun DR and cooldowns will win so that says nothing either. Im thinking of testing a little with my pld friend at 4am when i've got pvp weap and extreme axe. Mostly because im curious about the effect of weapon dmg in pvp.

Once again, it's not all about my damage done. There have been times when the opposing team *tried* to kill me first. The tank and two melee. I survived for several reasons. 1. A good healer. 2. The had PvE gear on. 3. I'm decked out in full PvP gear. Yes, a good healer is a must. But even a great healer will have a tough time keeping anyone alive if they aren't properly geared. The main point is this. Don't think that you can go into PvP, and pwn, just cause you beat Twintania. It is great that you beat turn 5. I haven't yet, but hope to at some point. I have seen time and time again, of Allagan weapon users getting smashed in pvp. Take it how you want. Just showing those that may think otherwise, that having pvp gear and pvp weapon makes a difference. In staying alive, and in winning. Lobo's Warrior uses a pvp weapon. I wonder why he doesn't use a zenith or Allagan?

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Originally Posted by Hulk_Smash

http://alchemy.shivtr.com/gallery_images/661302

Proof of why a PvP weapon is always the best choice for PvP Allegan dont matter here.

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Originally Posted by Hulk_Smash

Take it how you want. Just showing those that may think otherwise, that having pvp gear and pvp weapon makes a difference.

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No you weren't. You were being cocky and arrogant. You have full PvP gear with 200+ morale, and the guy in your screenshot has 44. So, to summarize your argument:

A player with full PvP gear and lots of PvP experience can beat a solo que player with no PvP gear and no PvP experience.
Therefore, lv70 PvP Axe > lv95 PvE Axe.
#worstlogic

The only thing you "proved" in this thread is that your ego is bigger than your brain.

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Originally Posted by Hulk_Smash

32K huh? yeah, sure. If you are doing 32K damage in that amount of time, and the fight is not over, then you messed up somewhere. Anyway, I have the i lvl 70 pvp axe, not the i lvl 90 yet. And this is not the first time I have pwned an Allagan Axe MRD/ WAR in pvp. Troll all you want, but this picture says a lot.

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http://i.imgur.com/IdP9ByD.png Using relic +1/dual haken

Your point?

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Originally Posted by hallena

http://i.imgur.com/IdP9ByD.png Using relic +1/dual haken

Your point?

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I love forum threads. Yeah, I was showing how pro I am. Damn, I didn't think you guys would figure me out. My Ego is pretty big. I'm so pro. Every body look at my pro-ness. Oh wait, that's what this guy just did.

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Originally Posted by Hulk_Smash

I love forum threads. Yeah, I was showing how pro I am. Damn, I didn't think you guys would figure me out. My Ego is pretty big. I'm so pro. Every body look at my pro-ness. Oh wait, that's what this guy just did.

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Woah there. You ran out of arguments pretty fast.

You'll might want to check your butt checked, it seems badly hurt

But.... I like my Titan's ax.

While I agree the OP picture doesn't prove anything I find it pretty funny regardless.

In all honesty, I was showing off. But, not showing off my damage dealt, as I originally said. I was showing off how you can in fact pwn someone, even though they may be real good at PvE content. I'm not butt hurt, I really do love forum threads. But even though I was showing off, several of you where as well. I'm not gonna give you much flak, cause I'm guilty of the same thing at times. The reality, is that I love pvp. I'm glad that the pvp gear actually makes a difference from the high lvl PvE gear.

On a side note, it's funny how a few of you are so quick to tell me how stupid I am. You have no idea of my actual intelligence. Maybe you use a +1 in pvp, and I offended you. I understand the need, initially. I used my +1 until I had the marks to get the weapon, and haven't looked back. As I originally stated, part of this is to show the value if the pvp weapon, in pvp.

Hurr Durr.

ITT: OP Embarasses self

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-28553...-HD-T-pVbd.gif

Why all you mad at meh?
This is too funny. its pretty fun seeing you all in the wolves den now.

Just to be clear, Hulk, I wasn't mad or anything ! I find the whole thing quite amusing.

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Originally Posted by QCrimson

Just to be clear, Hulk, I wasn't mad or anything ! I find the whole thing quite amusing.

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Thats cool. It is a lot of fun when I get a team that does have decent pvp gear, and face a team with gear and skill. I truly look forward to seeing you all in the future

Lots of angry in this thread. Lots of it.

That warrior is from Ragnarok, and Ragnarok players cant PvP, your argument is invalid!

PvP Weapons go as follows: PvP ilvl 90 > PvE Ilvl 95 > PvP ilvl 70 = PvE ilvl 90 > PvP Ilvl 55. The difference between the pvp 70 and the pve 90 is morale defensive stat not damage. This is what I have found when I was grinding to 30.