Did the devs even THINK when they smoked up this PvP ?

Each and every aa interupts spell casting, oh and we have range aa dealers , oh but to counter that they dont do much damage...

... WTF, didnt it occur that adding a interupt to each AA messes up any class that has a cast timer ? Like...oh I dont know, healers and magic DD ?

Why didnt Yoshi and co simply say the PvP is not available for DoM rather than subject us to the abuse and embarrassment of not being able to cast a single bloody spell in battle.
Yoshi are you some really frustrated DD that got their glory stolen by a healer or caster in some other game ?
This system is simple and honestly totally retarded and stupid.. ill considered and ill conceived and a example of every possible manner not to do PvP... please remove DoM pvp.

DoW's are having more issues than DoM are right now, considering you can sprint unlimitedly and bunnyhop glitch out of every attack, I'd quit complaining

The PvP's structured for something like GC vs GC combat, like old school DAOC style, which is why you get interrupts on damage.
That kind of system doesn't work that well in small scale, but in raid vs raid it's fine.

That said, casters are doing fine.
It's really rough until you get enough levels for PvP abilities, but once you get them things are okay.

1. There are a few skills that can counter the interrupt on attack damage.
2. If there were no interrupts on direct damage no one would ever kill a white mage cause CureII is too real for death


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Why not then use the same system nearly all the other MMO's do regarding PvP and casters... each hit increases the cast time slightly, not interrupt all cast timers all the time. The only skills I have that do not have a cast time are things like regen, benediction, surecast (which would allow for a single cast time spell to be fired off... if it works properly), Aero I ...

My 2 matches which I just jumped on to look at the mode was ...

Buff, start, pling pling pling why pling cant pling I pling cast pling anything pling... no matter where I ran.
The second match was more of the same...swarmed the healer, and got told to go commit suicide in real life by one of the players.

I didnt even get a look at the bloody arena I was targeted so fast... are the stuff in the arena to LoS enemies ? Platforms, stairs ? I dont know... didnt see.
Not fun wont bother with it again.

If you've only played 2 matches, you don't have PvP gear or PvP skills - you need both.

Agreed, sleep spamming is too weak right now.

Im just imagining summoners and black mages where any damage didnt cancel there spells lol......Considering one of the best comps people run right now is BLM/SMR combo I think DOM are doing fine.

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I was going to call you some pretty nasty names for joining a single match and not attempting to learn a single thing about pvp before handing down a solid and uncompromising judgment...

But then I noticed that you put in the massive effort to try it two times before entirely giving up so I believe we should all heed your well researched and solidly founded analysis.

Perhaps though you should attempt a third run, and I know I'm being ridiculous here, I would suggest you start with those wall shaped objects if you are still interested in finding something that can be used to block an enemies line of sight. In case you missed them on your first or second attempts they are the ones shaped like walls. Now don't confuse them with the large pillar shaped objects that may also possibly used to block people as those are something entirely different.

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I only attempted twice as the 2nd time I was told to go commit suicide in real life by the very pleasant PvP community, and for some silly reason I thought the PvP was tiered by skill and as a new player I would have a opportunity to learn the ropes not get thrown in with such serious players who would rather fellow players go kill themselves rather than ruin a battle for them.

I also mentioned that due to being basically rushed and destroyed I had little to no opportunity to actually see the arena, so I have no idea of the make up of the arena...as I mentioned in a follow up post you may of been able to read if you were not so happily spending so much time typing out your useless and ultimately irrelevant sarcastic drivel.

My advice to you is simple, if you do not wish to help or even add to the topic, dont type anything...then the offending topic will drop out from page 1 and be lost.

I guess people would be more forgiving if you'd come in with crafted HQ PvP gears. Problem is most people are such a miser they wouldn't even spend some and expect people to carry them through which is revolting to most folks who actually contributed and sacrificed.

I thought I would be placed with fellow new players, as it was my first battle... I just wanted to see what it was about, I was nearly logging out and wanted to pop in and see if it was something I could enjoy.

... I am also shocked that its fine to tell players to go commit suicide in real life if the player has not taken time and gil to buy PvP gear just to have a look see at a relatively new feature. To put it in context I found WoW's PvP and PvP Community to be more mature and friendly... and that is not a good sign.

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Originally Posted by ASnogarD

Each and every aa interupts spell casting, oh and we have range aa dealers , oh but to counter that they dont do much damage...

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Despite the spell interruption rule, casters are still among the most powerful jobs in PvP while everyone knows about SMN, all the other casters manage to stand out to some degree.

Besides this fact, you have tools available to help against this. You can use Surecast, a THM ability, to cast your next spell without interruption (as long as you maintain line of sight / don't get CC'd), and there is also the PvP ability Equanmity, avialable to all jobs which have spells with a cast time (ARC/BRD, CNJ/WHM, THM/BLM, ARC/SMN/SCH) which negates spell interruption entirely for up to 20 seconds.

Just because you're having trouble with it doesn't mean it's broken.

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You had no time to see the arena? Depending on when you attempted this you had 1-2 minutes totally unmolested to look out the gate and see two huge walls straddling the sides of the arena and several pillars next to them. Unless you neglected to mention that you are somehow playing this game while legally blind there is ZERO excuse for not knowing something as basic as what the arena looks like.

Any healer with even a basic understanding of the "they can't see me behind a wall" concept can be a monster in pvp, able to dodge in and out of even a closely following melee dps's attacks to top themselves or a teammate off.

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That kind of system doesn't work that well in small scale, but in raid vs raid it's fine.
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I agree with you about this. But that's the problem. The only PvP on this game right now is small scale. And why every PvP match I did was just a chicken race with the casters sprinting behind fences. It was dumb. In my opinion.

If they add more open PvP I might give it another go.

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able to dodge in and out of even a closely following melee dps's attacks to top themselves or a teammate off.

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Is this actually possible? My personal experience is that either I run behind the wall, start casting and get interupted by a heavyshot from a brd on the other side of the wall, or the autoattack speed of the melees is much faster than the 3 seconds you need to safely cast cure2
After a few weeks i found Faeries/lustrate are amazing but whm most of the time is just regen/sprint/fluidaura/swiftcastrepose/everythingthatdoesntmakeyouahealer. you only get to really heal against teams you were clearly going to beat anyway, and thats when you're not needed.

Whm has it very hard in pvp. Even with equanmity you can still be stunned it it won't be of much use. Once your cool downs for swiftcast is gone, it is very hard to get a cure off when you got 2 dps chasing you, especially if one of the dps is a brd. After doing a lot of matches I gave up on pvp.

WHM also has stronger stoneskin and can cast spells while under attack with it up. If you think it's going to come off, you can just recast it while you're being attacked.