Dear Duty Roulette:

Stop giving me Copperbell Mines, Satasha, and any other <20 instance at level 40. I get that it's 'low level', but seriously, I'm getting sick of seeing the mines on my tanks. At this rate, I am better off running on-level instances since the reward EXP at the end of Copperbell + fight EXP is equal to the amount of EXP I get for clearing Dzamel Darkhold. -.-

I have the same issue, but I always see someone in range so I assume they picked it.

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Originally Posted by jomoru

I have the same issue, but I always see someone in range so I assume they picked it.

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Interestingly, most the time I see people in Artifact armor / relic+1 weapon running it. Just the last party I did had everyone synched down to 20, so there must've been some better dungoun it could've chosen. =/

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Originally Posted by Eidolon

Interestingly, most the time I see people in Artifact armor / relic+1 weapon running it. Just the last party I did had everyone synched down to 20, so there must've been some better dungoun it could've chosen. =/

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oh I see plenty of high level types in there two, but always someone in range, or who seems to be there on purpose.

You could always run the low level duty roulette with a low level class...

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

You could always run the low level duty roulette with a low level class...

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Sadly, the only one below level 40 is monk for me, and I promised I would only level monk for 5 levels every 20 lb's I lose in real life. <_< (Just because I think it'd amuse me while I'm dieting / doing kickboxing), so that's not much of an option for me. D:

the 'worst' I've seen was a few hours ago when I did Tam Tara and everyone was in the lvl 20+ range. I randomly chatted about it, and funny enough (I must have missed it at the start) one of the dps was actually only at that part of the story (lvl 24 - though I can't say much. my lowbie char I started about a week ago is lvl 28 now and just finished Ifrit. heh)

apart from that every time I had a starter dungeon it was indeed because someone was in the level range. even with 'fully duty roulette' runs it's not always sastascha as it was claimed on this forum before. I had a full duty finder group end up in Ifrit a few times. lol -.-

the duty roulette is a feature added to help players whom do not have access to full group by enticing players with rewards for helping them out - and by helping out, that means you dont get to choose what YOU want to do since you are helping someone else out with what THEY need to do...and if there is no one in need at the time, then players are given RANDOM duties by the game - if players want SPECIFIC duties, all they need do is select the SPECIFIC duty they wish instead of using the RANDOM feature...

The XP Given at the end makes it like if I ran a higher one without the bonus.

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Originally Posted by Shizato

Snippysnippy~.

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While your liberal use of caps is amusing, it does sorta ignore the point that a lot of people I've met are also getting tired of Copperbell mines.

It doesn't seem nearly as 'random' as it should be. But I think that might ultimately be because there's a lot of people leveling battle classes that are <30 right now, and thus the pool the game has to pick from is much smaller. Even still, this doesn't remedy the fact that the EXP I'd lose for doing more than 1 random low-level dungoun a day, is far less than than doing multiple on-level dungouns and getting full combat exp. The point of the Duty Roulette isn't to be 'random', it's to entice people to play more than one dungoun. Unfortunately, the one-time bonus means that you will only do exactly that - one time, then you're done.

TL;dr: Random is Random. But **** copperbell mines.

I think for random finder to place you in a dungeon at least 1 player needs to have selected to run that dungeon. You'll see low level dungeons because people farm them for equipment (some of it sells, but some of it is for looks). Most dungeons have a 3-4 level gap between them so a person might run it 3-5 times to earn their apropriate level. There are also some dungeons which are just harder than others / not needed for equipment to 'look cool' so people avoid those as well, again less likely to find yourself sent in to one with the random finder.

Now if you have 4 level 50's in a low-level finder dungeon one would *hope* it picks at random.

I'm still trying to figure out why whenever I look at the Roulette it's always says Tankns are in need and getting that special reward. I've only seen Healer there probably once sit 2.1's release

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Originally Posted by Cluebilly

I'm still trying to figure out why whenever I look at the Roulette it's always says Tankns are in need and getting that special reward. I've only seen Healer there probably once sit 2.1's release

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Because tanks are always in such short supply. I've actually noticed there appears to be more tanks in this game than in, say, WoW, but we can always use more :)

I wish it was Ifrit everytime, not sure why it matters, just que a higher dungeon if you want and let the roulette do its job and match you to players who wanted the dungeon and stop complaining about every damn thing the game does or doesnt dp.

I understand why we'd end up in Sastasha/Tam-Tara/Copperbell more often (since those 3 are probably in high demand), I understand why the dungeon roulette was done this way, and I even aprove of it.

But it's true that I, too, am getting tired of doing those 3 all the time. I've leveld my GLD (starting at 16) entirely through the roulette. I'm now at haukke level range. I haven't done anything higher than Halatali a *single* time, not even once. (even Halatali is rare) I'll be soon at Brayflox's level, and haven't even gotten to try out some of my abilities yet. Even when using another higher level job, I've never been put in anything higher than Halatali.

The way i feel that Duty Roulette works is it goes up the list from lowest to highest to see if there is one or more people queued since the first 3 dungeons in the game are the most queued dungeons you wind up getting those most of the time.

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Originally Posted by Billie21

[snip] I'm now at haukke level range. I haven't done anything higher than Halatali a *single* time, not even once. (even Halatali is rare) I'll be soon at Brayflox's level, and haven't even gotten to try out some of my abilities yet. Even when using another higher level job, I've never been put in anything higher than Halatali.

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you know what's funny? by only having unlocked up to Haukke, you are actually part of the problem :P

50% of the dungeons you've unlocked are the starter dungeons, so you alone already have a 1:1 chance of getting one of them. now we take in the chance of being grouped with someone who is lower than you and that chance rises more and more ;)

(though you seem to be extra unlucky, I have to admit that. even on my latest lowbie char where I haven't even unlocked Toto Rak yet I've already gotten Ifrit in DR twice :cool: )

I've gotten Ifrit 4 times, Halatali twice, and Titan once.

I'm not complaining. >_>

Im getting 190k+ on clear, and 1650 xp per kill in Halatali as a 44 DRG ... I'd say its well worth 25 minutes of my time to clear simple dungeons.

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Originally Posted by amnie

you know what's funny? by only having unlocked up to Haukke, you are actually part of the problem :P

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They never said they've only unlocked up to Haukke Manor. They said the class they're leveling with Duty Finder is now UP TO Haukke Manor's level range, and heading towards Brayflox Manor.

I also tend to get shafted with one of the three starting dungeons. Highest I've seen so far has been Toto Rak, with my L48 White Mage. But, seeing as how Christmas just ended and there's a new influx of people thanks to gifts and the 50% off discount that SE ran, it's understandable.

eh. they won't have any other dungeon unlocked for that class, no matter if they have them unlocked in general or not. if you're say... lvl 30... you only have up to haukke unlocked. you won't be able to queue for anything higher, even if you've done them on a different class that is already 50. did I really have to mention that?

I do statistics for a living. it's working exactly as I said. you will always have a much higher chance to get one of the starter dungeons because the dungeon is decided by the lowest level member of the group.

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Originally Posted by amnie

eh. they won't have any other dungeon unlocked for that class, no matter if they have them unlocked in general or not. if you're say... lvl 30... you only have up to haukke unlocked. you won't be able to queue for anything higher, even if you've done them on a different class that is already 50. did I really have to mention that?

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I think you're being more confusing than you intend to here. There's a difference between unlocking a dungeon and being of-level for the dungeon. The way you said it in the first statement was that they hadn't UNLOCKED the content yet, which made them "part of the problem." Re-evaluating what you said, I understand it better now.

I think the issue here, though, is that more people are getting the lower-leveled dungeons because...more people are queuing for them, plain and simple. The majority of people in the level range of Stone Vigil, Brayflox's Longstop, Haukke Manor, etc. are using the Duty Roulette to level up, rather than queuing for dungeons in their range, which would create a need for Duty Roulette players to go there.

In other words, if you're tired of getting stuck in low-level dungeons, queue for one within your level range to create the demand that Duty Roulette will supply.

that was exactly my point. if he has 6 dungeons unlocked (!!!!!!!!!) for that class, then half of the dungeons he's queuing for are the low level dungeons. and that's only provided he's the lowest level member of his group, which chances are, he's not. so that drops the chance of getting anything but a starter dungeon even lower.

we're really talking about a silly issue anyway, since he hinted at queueing for the higher level dungeons the regular way but that makes him having to wait longer - which he doesn't want to do.
frankly, I'm not even sure how this is going to work anyway, because if SE ever decided to actually give us a 'mid-level' DF they would more or less .not. include stuff like Toto Rak and Haukke in that. hell, they would probably not even include Brayflox. it would completely defeat the purpose of the DF if the really low level dungeons had their own DF because nobody would ever queue for them.


edit: fixed some insomnia-fcks :P

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Don't be too quick to assume that the system isn't biased just because there's a reasonable story around the evidence.

It makes sense that the lower level dungeons are in high demand because low level players queue for them and don't have access to higher level dungeons. This creates a greater chance of getting a lower level dungeon than a high one.

It's also possible the dungeon selection algorithm is broken and that it prefers low level dungeons over higher level dungeons, even when everyone is eligible for higher level dungeons.

I've been doing daily low level roulettes. Anecdotally I get Ifrit a lot (often several times in a row). I haven't seen any primal besides Ifrit, and no dungeon greater than Toto Rak (which I got once, usually get Sastasha, Copperbell, or Tam Tara). It seems possible that roulette is working correctly, but it could also be broken.

I've done the Duty Roulette for a week now, and have never seen any other dungeon than Halatali.