Just wondering if the data below is still relevant and/or reasonably accurate:
http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...d_foe_requiem/Quote:
So we tested it thoroughly. Foe Requiem does not do what it says, at all. It boosts magic damage by around 15%, aspected or unaspected, and it does not boost elemental damage whatsoever.
How to test
Bring a summoner with you, cast foe req, wait till the debuff is applied, have him cast miasma or bio (both are unaspected), stop singing foe req, have him try and reapply bio once the foe req debuff disappears. It will not apply because the game won't allow you to overwrite a stronger DoT with a weaker one. You can also observe the damage done to be roughly 15% higher.
Bard - Foe Requiem Song - any recent changes?
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12-28-2013, 03:53 PMDarwyn_UlondarrBard - Foe Requiem Song - any recent changes?
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12-28-2013, 04:02 PMRi_ri
Not sure about Foe, but you can now replace a stronger debuff with a weaker one, so the testing method wouldn't work.
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12-28-2013, 04:12 PMDarwyn_Ulondarr
That's good to know. Thanks. I'd still love to see some Bard's chime in on Foe requiem.
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12-28-2013, 04:22 PMKaosKeith
The original description for foes reqium (lowered elemental resistance) was incorrect. The actual effect is lowered magic resistance and in 2.1 the tooltip was fixed and now shows the correct description (lowered magic resistance).
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12-28-2013, 06:42 PMJyoeru
So the question I have is when do we use it? With a long cast time, and toxic mana drain, do we need to precast then drop then recast and drop when someone in the group is going to use abilities this will enhance? If I leave it on for any duration of time, my mana goes kaboom, and I have nothing left for more of this or for ballad. Just curious.
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12-28-2013, 06:55 PMViridianaI just run it until I run OOM, especially if I use it early in the fight. Healers shouldn't be needing ballad unless someone's getting rez'd, and sometimes not even then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jyoeru
Garuda extreme I've taken to running it during each of the sister phases, unless sometime during the transition I see that a healer needs MP. -
12-28-2013, 08:27 PMThorauku
If the healers are not undergeared in X dungeon, they shouldn't have any major MP problem at all, hence giving more room for your MP to regen for Mage's Ballad if it's needed.
I personally don't leave my MP full if there's a DPS caster around especially Summoners, AFAIK their DoTs only need to be applied first (With Foe Requiem) then you can turn off your Foe Requiem afterwards. -
12-28-2013, 11:07 PMSylve
IMO Bards just need a skill like Riot Blade that restores MP >_>
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12-29-2013, 01:09 AMRyuDragnier4 man groups, it's not worth using at all since at most you'll have 1 magic DPS class. 8 mans, it depends on the party make-up. If you have at least 2 DPS mages, it's worth casting, but even then it depends on the fight.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jyoeru
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12-29-2013, 01:51 AMViridianaBoosting a BLM or SMN's dps by 30% isn't worth it?Quote:
Originally Posted by RyuDragnier
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12-29-2013, 02:45 AMThorauku
He's probably reserving his mana, for................................. NOTHING!
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12-29-2013, 02:59 AMShamirah
If you don't need mage ballad or the TP song... use requiem. I love it when you do that. It's just so good to pop RS and dot a boss affected by x2 requiem and then use contagion. God. I love it.
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12-29-2013, 03:45 AMSkiesIf you have to inject mana into your healer's veins all the time, then it isn't, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Viridiana
Otherwise it is.
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12-29-2013, 05:59 AMVenom
How do you guys get 30%? It would only be 20% per magic DPS and that is with battlevoice. Don't go crazy with that figure either, it would only be up for 30 seconds and you got to divide that avantage by the whole party, you'll be lucky to get a 3-4% DPS boost from the whole battle.
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12-29-2013, 06:46 AMRyuDragnierNot just this, outside of boss fights, the Requiem will grab anything within hearing distance of it straight towards the Bard. Used it once in AK, I was grabbing the aggro of the enemies before the tank ever did just because the mobs HEARD the song.Quote:
Originally Posted by Venom
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12-29-2013, 06:54 AMSkiesFirst note that he mentioned it increases the magic DPS's value by 30%Quote:
Originally Posted by Venom
Also, it's a reduction in enemy defense, the larger the enemy magical defense is, the more powerful Foe Requiem is. Normally it's worth it in caster-heavy parties, like SMN/BLM/BLM/BRD -
12-29-2013, 06:56 AMRapisoRequiem lower the magic def by 10%, which can result in a 15% dmg buffQuote:
Originally Posted by Venom
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12-29-2013, 10:50 AMThoraukuWell, if you're not aware enough in your surrounding and just turning it on the whole time and not just in safe spot, you're doing it wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyuDragnier
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12-29-2013, 12:33 PMViridianaRight, but, he said 4 mans. I've never once that I can recall needed to ballad in a 4 man.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skies
As noted in the OP, the 10% reduction for whatever reason seems to be a 15% damage increase, 30% with BV. And most burn phases don't last that long. Heck, if we're talking 4-mans, most boss fights only last 2 minutes or less with the gear levels people have now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Venom
Learn the dungeon, learn where you can and can't sing. Too easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by RyuDragnier
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12-30-2013, 05:15 AMIllaYou use Foe's Requiem during Burst DPS Phases like Titan Heart, Dreadnoughts, Snakes, and etc. Or you use it to finish something off for an execute or kill-shot. I would only Battle Voice Foe's Requiem if you have another bard or if the healer's MP is above 80%, since it does have a 3 minute recast time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jyoeru
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12-30-2013, 05:27 AMThorauku5 minutes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Illa