I do not want to see Battle Regimens removed with the new combat system. In fact, I want it to stay -- just make it more impactful with the status effects, and more streamlined. That's all.
It is VERY fun to have a full party chaining four different weaponskills for insane amounts of damage. Like so...
Maim > Doomspike II > Doomspike II > Thunder II on Kokoroon Quickfingers.
So much damage. So FUN!
Please do not eschew this, Square Enix.
Vital Request: Battle Regimens
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06-13-2011, 10:39 AMSilvertearRenVital Request: Battle Regimens
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06-13-2011, 11:04 AMAzurymber
I agree, the battle regimen system is one of the few unique enjoyable aspects of the game. But I don't think they intend on taking it out. They just aren't going to improve it until a later time.
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06-13-2011, 11:06 AMMeowyWowie
I don't think they're removing BRs. However, they are going to rebuild them from the ground up. I wonder if they'll still be operational with 1.18 though, considering we'll have auto attack.
I wouldn't worry too much. I'm sure once they're done redesigning the system, we'll still be able to chain multiple abilities together for similar effects. -
06-13-2011, 02:02 PMRydin
Dear OP,
AGREED
Cordially,
Me -
06-13-2011, 04:22 PMTirem778
... I sadly never mastered this... (I play solo too much ever since my IRL friends game up on the game.) I feel very lame now. I'm going to go figure this stuff out now before it gets rebuilt for the new system. I'm very interested.
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06-13-2011, 06:56 PMManekiKanji
I really enjoyed using the Br's too, altho i wouldnt mind seeing a nice sexy animation effect to go along with the effects like what would happen with SkillChains used to do, well as long as it wasnt just a simple mash of light like most of the battle effects are, since skillchaining and getting tho's visual's was a very satisfying feeling.
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06-13-2011, 08:33 PMVahzl
Why do people think Auto Attack is going to affect so many things? It won't stop you from crafting, it isn't going to cause your character to explode, and the world will not end.
I don't see them mentioning in any way that BR's are being removed.
It is one of the few systems in XIV that I like anyways. -
06-13-2011, 08:59 PMRinsuiI guess you never did a real skillchain then? (FFXI)Quote:
I agree, the battle regimen system is one of the few unique enjoyable aspects of the game. But I don't think they intend on taking it out. They just aren't going to improve it until a later time.
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06-13-2011, 09:03 PMAnty
i never understood how BR can be fun : doin a lot of dmg without an animation/or broken animation isnt fun. Just because its dmg and has an effect... doesnt make it fun to me.
It feels like "pause" BR "pause" back to the battle to me. It would be much better to just use BR, add the skills (without them actually being cast- but not go off yet) and as soon as the BR starts, a real coordinated good animated skillchain goes off, with proper animations etc. everything else is lost less fun then ffxi skillchains were.
Still ffxi skillchains beat this by far.
I also don't like the fact that every tiny unimportant attack can make a BR... im not impressed how this system is atm but imo it would work better with autoattack since its not dynamic at all. -
06-13-2011, 09:22 PMZanfire
skillchains were great, BRs...not so much. Elemental chains that got other classes involved (mainly BLMs) was a great reason for having people even bother nuking. The system now is slopy in design and a pain to pull off (its awful with a controller) I dont mind what it does (mix to make status like effects) but make it simple like skillchains, make it flow as part of combat, not something you need to turn on, organize your turns, then click to execute.
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06-13-2011, 09:39 PMpopdai
Looking at the BR chain you posted, i think you don't know how to use them 100% ;)
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06-13-2011, 09:54 PMVahzlEasy saying that, but why not explain how?Quote:
Originally Posted by popdai
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06-13-2011, 09:58 PMZanfirewhy cant it be simple to do and learn like skillchains? why make a more complicated system with more button presses and more necessary communication between players (ESPECIALLY when you make your combat so mashy you cant even really communicate well in the first damn place)Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahzl
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06-13-2011, 10:19 PMIchi
Lol I find it ironic.
There used to be a lot more hate for BR, but it was just because no one had taken the time to learn them. IMO if your still hating on it it's because you've yet to get a handle of the mechanic it works fine. SC are one thing and BR are another no ones asking for XI-2.
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06-13-2011, 10:25 PMAntybecause only the few blind ffxiv lovers are left to defend it... there is absolutely nothing appealing about BR.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ichi
The fact that you can do great dmg and have effects on the mobs doesnt make it fun or appealing, just "useful".
I don't mind another system then skillchains of ffxi but the BR is far from being a fun system, its just a broken skillchain system put into this weird press, ... activate crap without timing needed... i would prefer a menue with the different skillchains to autoactivate over this boring system any day. no skill, no timing, no surprises... yey, what a system....
And do you honestly think that people can't handle this system?...
Its like you tell people that the AM looks great they just need glasses or a bigger monitor... *sigh* -
06-13-2011, 10:29 PMIchi
You obviously don't use BR, or have never had to teach your linkshell how to do them.
I never said it was difficult to learn, but if you don't put the effort in to understand it then you will either hold up the whole dps team waiting for you or you will lose your buffs etc. I understand that you don't like BR but your reality is convoluted If you don't have the proper timing and training your BR aren't as timely or as good as my team's. -
06-13-2011, 10:30 PMMeridian
I hope it goes somewhere towards FFXI's skillchain system. Nothing like nailing that level 3 skillchain and seeing all your mages burst off it. Really cool.
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06-14-2011, 12:18 AMRydinhttp://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...en-LOVE-threadQuote:
Originally Posted by Vahzl
Animations and many combinations are what is needed to make BR's better...Quote:
Originally Posted by ManekiKanji
from hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Vahzl
Seeing how normal attacks are a major part of BR and they are no longer singularly selectable (in favor of an auto attack), BR, at the very least will be significantly different, and worst case scenario is that they are removed completely until they are rebuilt, which would be sadQuote:
Originally Posted by Akihiko_Matsui
Its fun because its something to strategize about, because it requires teamwork and communication.... (And because it does a lot of damage)Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty
But yea, animations are a necessity for BR to be truly enjoyable
The being stuck in limbo adds a sense of urgency. And rewards players who know what they are doing... isn't that what we've been screaming for? What they've been promising? A system that rewards skilled players? Getting an 6+ person BR to go off in a timely manner does indeed require skill, planning and communicationQuote:
Originally Posted by Anty
the more attacks that are possible in a BR, the more combinations you could have....Quote:
Originally Posted by Anty
For instance: they could make enchant spells only available in BR, like Burn II + regular attack enchants that attack with fire element -
06-14-2011, 06:46 AMNikitaI would really like a rebuild. Maybe it's just me, but I really miss the skillchain and magic burst system from XI. This whole queue system is personally a little annoying. I guess you could consider it "more strategic" as you would decide beforehand what to queue up, however with the skillchain system, it felt much more free and...natural?Quote:
Originally Posted by MeowyWowie