So this just happened.....

Roulette WP - Tank starts pulling for a speed run without telling anyone. Dies on one pull.

Me: "I'm all for a speed run, but maybe you could just pull what you can handle in between cool downs."

Tank not quite verbatim: "I suck. Do my job right"

Me: "This isn't a pissing match."


It was at this point I really really really contemplated just not healing him anymore until he died. I bit my tongue and "did my job".

On the King I realize my cooldowns are still not up, and it doesn't work through the rancor/mob, I felt bad. He died, but we just beat the King immediately after...so I apologize, but while my apology landed on deaf ears (he raged out immediately after sending this)


(Tank) Next time don't blame the Tank for your lack of being a skilled whm who dnt cleric n holy n cant keep up


Sigh, it just boggles my mind how he got so defensive when I didn't even come close to blaming him for anything.

People wonder why I don't DF or DR. Never worth the hassle. Even if I meet a decent group I can't play with them again.

I don't know why, but i feel english isn't his first language. Still, doesn't excuse raging.

I love DF and DR, i can count on one hand the bad runs, with tons more good ones.

I like DF and DR. No matter what group I get I always tell them, we're going to take this a steady pace.

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Originally Posted by AdamuKun322

I like DF and DR. No matter what group I get I always tell them, we're going to take this a steady pace.

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I should adopt that policy.

Not meaning to be rude, but what do you want to achieve with this thread?

My new thing is I notice groups like to troll the CT DF. With three groups one group tends to heckle the hell out of another if they feel they are messing up in the slightest. Bad too, have experienced it numerous times too. They'll either go on about how the tank sucks and that the group is being carried etc. It's sad that people can be like this.

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Originally Posted by zakalw3

Not meaning to be rude, but what do you want to achieve with this thread?

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I think they are just venting, pointless as it may be I guess they have the right.

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Originally Posted by zakalw3

Not meaning to be rude, but what do you want to achieve with this thread?

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I don't think it's rude, you're curious. I am venting as much as I am letting this person know that their actions never go unnoticed. It's nice to know you're not alone in this social inept world we live in now.

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Originally Posted by rabbitzero

I don't know why, but i feel english isn't his first language. Still, doesn't excuse raging.

I love DF and DR, i can count on one hand the bad runs, with tons more good ones.

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Same as far as the DR and DF runs go, but the bad ones do tend to stand out.

As far as English being his first language or not... I've seen far too many people who's first language is English maul it far far far worse than someone who didn't grow up speaking/reading/writing it.

If they don't say hi, or ask me how I am, or form some semblance of coherent friendly speech, I don't even bother looking at the chat box. I just talk to my FC and cast my heals and que sera sera.

I would of thought that it would be more beneficial to use the party finder to get like minded and geared players together to do speed runs than hope the DF and DR spins you a competent group capable of speed running right off the bat without warning...

my CM run was <watch 1st cutscene> /p Hi ... esc , where is everyone oh over there...how did they get past this mob oh its aggro'd on me, dead , huh I beat the 1st boss ?...what did it look like, oh theres a short cut, hmmm rubbish chute ...err ahh my fellow adventurers what are we doing.... etc etc till final boss and Tank is like Commendations please , I was like ' What the hell for ? Dragging me through my story run of CM so fast I didnt see anything, hope you get nothing but WHM drops from all the dungeons you run' .. he replied ' lolz u mad bro ' ..typical troll, gets more sustenance from making others unhappy than even eating and drinking.

It is SE's fault though... making a story dungeon have so many cutscenes yet allow players to run off while others are watching and also make it a farm location.. shield the damn cutscenes and / or make it worth the while to wait for players ... like IF a player is on thier 1st run, bonus tomes to all IF all the cutscenes are watched.

My biggest problem with Dr is getting into a group already funning and finding most of them are already gone. I dont' mind replacing people, but I ended up in Garuda 4 times and 3 of them when I loaded I was the only one there. It is a waste of time because I have to then leave the instance and reque up again. I loke the bonuses and love how SE gave me a way to help others through content I already did, but it gets annoying when I see the screen pop up and then 5 minutes later I am trying again.

I've noticed that the worse a person is at playing their Job, the more they try to blame it on the healers.

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Originally Posted by Reeth

I've noticed that the worse a person is at playing their Job, the more they try to blame it on the healers.

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This is true 100% of the time, expect when it's the healers fault.

i got a cleric body and ever since i put it on i get mad hate i just have to be in party then i see all the red lines come too me.

things that happen:
#1 tank pulls room but alittle too slow on getting all the mob to attack him/her, i cast cure 2 before tank dies the mobs now are after me i die we wipe.
#2 tank pulls room tells me to wait till he/she gets all the mobs, tank drops dead before that skill can grab aggro and way before i can get a cast off.
all im saying if you pull the room just be a bit quicker on the gaining all the aggro, i can keep up with the heals but i need time to get the first one out.

On a similar note, I had a guy in my DF WP run that ran ahead on second boss to tag him to reset the trash. Notice I said ran ahead. I was pulling the skellie and ghost to the room before boss and the rest of us proceeded to fight those 2 mobs when I heard the boss music start.

I'm like "wtf, why you jumping ahead like that?" Long story short, the lock out prevented me and the rest of the party from entering boss area and he died. I said, "serves you right, now reset yourself and stop wasting our time."

The kicker was, this guy ends up being a part of my FC. I found that out after we all lest the dungeon upon completion and he said, "thanks foe the wp run" in company chat! I kinda felt bad at that point.

I don't like that you can't tell where these people are coming from in DF. I wished your company tag showed while in a dungeon.

i just avoid WP like a cancer, if i end there doing DR just leave take the penalty and try again later, tha sad thing is i'm tank, i feel sorry for some ppl that will end there like me, but most ppl doing WP are elistist SRunners.

I play for fun, i have enough SRs in real life to pay the bills, so when im playing i want to enjoy my time there, not rush to get a reward.

SE is not going to remove WP from DR, so if they want a SR there's a very useful tool called party finder.

PD; WP is a funny dungeon. when its played as it was designed, its a shame we treat it like a fast wasy to make myths.

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Originally Posted by kuikui

The kicker was, this guy ends up being a part of my FC. I found that out after we all lest the dungeon upon completion and he said, "thanks foe the wp run" in company chat! I kinda felt bad at that point.

I don't like that you can't tell where these people are coming from in DF. I wished your company tag showed while in a dungeon.

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That's why i tend to be as nice as possible in DF groups, we seem to get through it faster and there's no awkward "Wait... You're in my FC... Well crap." moments.

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Originally Posted by AdamuKun322

I like DF and DR. No matter what group I get I always tell them, we're going to take this a steady pace.

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This is the best anyone should expect from DF. If it's not agreed to do a Speed Run before you begin, don't do a speed run until it's agreed. And if it's agreed, power to the party. However, you should also expect to occasionally have to teach people, to have to wait for cutscenes, to fail. This is the nature of what happens when people group together at random. So long as you remain open and positive, and above all else remember that all four people have paid to have fun playing this game, you should be okay. If you insist upon anything better than the unexpected, use Party Finder or party with people you know. :)

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Originally Posted by kuikui

The kicker was, this guy ends up being a part of my FC. I found that out after we all lest the dungeon upon completion and he said, "thanks foe the wp run" in company chat! I kinda felt bad at that point.

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I'm curious. Did you feel bad because of what you said or because you now had to interact with this person again? Part of the reason people are so rude in DF is because they don't think there will be any consequences for what they do or say.

I don't disagree that he should not have run ahead and you were right to call him on it. I just think all of our experiences would be enhanced if we all operated on the assumption that we might have to see these players again.

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Originally Posted by Muzy

As far as English being his first language or not... I've seen far too many people who's first language is English maul it far far far worse than someone who didn't grow up speaking/reading/writing it.

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Couldn't agree more, I've gotten to the point that when I see English being abused I assume they're native English speakers.

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Originally Posted by kuikui

The kicker was, this guy ends up being a part of my FC. I found that out after we all lest the dungeon upon completion and he said, "thanks foe the wp run" in company chat! I kinda felt bad at that point.

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It's pretty messed up when you don't know who's in your FC, but I guess that could be an issue if you're in a larger one.

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Originally Posted by Orophin

It's pretty messed up when you don't know who's in your FC, but I guess that could be an issue if you're in a larger one.

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Like this Orophin guy. All stalking around under different names in game. Who is he? Lurking in the LS, waiting to strike. Evil i tells ya.

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Originally Posted by Karnyboy

Roulette WP - Tank starts pulling for a speed run without telling anyone. Dies on one pull.

Me: "I'm all for a speed run, but maybe you could just pull what you can handle in between cool downs."

Tank not quite verbatim: "I suck. Do my job right"

Me: "This isn't a pissing match."

It was at this point I really really really contemplated just not healing him anymore until he died. I bit my tongue and "did my job".

On the King I realize my cooldowns are still not up, and it doesn't work through the rancor/mob, I felt bad. He died, but we just beat the King immediately after...so I apologize, but while my apology landed on deaf ears (he raged out immediately after sending this)

(Tank) Next time don't blame the Tank for your lack of being a skilled whm who dnt cleric n holy n cant keep up

Sigh, it just boggles my mind how he got so defensive when I didn't even come close to blaming him for anything.

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Sounds like most DF tanks. I've seen tanks in AF1 and worse try to pull several packs of mobs as if they think they're in i90 gear and then get offended when someone says "Maybe you should try only pulling what you can handle."

Of course, its never their fault. Its never anyone's fault in DF. I'd give a commendation to someone if I ever heard the words "My bad." uttered instead of excuses and accusations. People need to learn that working together is the real key to fast dungeon runs, not fighting your own party and wiping.

I've had my fair share of rude players in DF runs. They usually shut up when I start firing back at them, pointing out the flaws in their play. I never insult, degrade or demean them, I just tell them how bad they are with details of their mistakes. 90% of the time, they stay quiet for the rest of the run. 9% of the time, they lighten up and act more civilized.

That last 1% continue with their rude ways and I go into play by play mode where I point out their mistakes as they make them and give them advice on how to correct it. They really hate that.

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Originally Posted by zakalw3

Not meaning to be rude, but what do you want to achieve with this thread?

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hes' epeen, and poorly i might add. #gofinishyourself, and on to a similar but un relative topic. Skpipping cutscence is apart of the Final fantasy MMO culture, so please adopt this philo and have a great day.,

oh and stop blaming rude players if your playstyle has deficiencies, that is all.

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Originally Posted by Acyd

Like this Orophin guy. All stalking around under different names in game. Who is he? Lurking in the LS, waiting to strike. Evil i tells ya.

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I'd say you're the stalker if anyone... >.>

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Originally Posted by Orophin

I'd say you're the stalker if anyone... >.>

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Outrageous and flabbergasting!

I resemble that remark!

because this thread isnt really whisltblowing, just fanfire.

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Originally Posted by Dyssyd

What? lol So, you would rather sit there and listen to some random person berate and demean whoever they want, instead of speaking up and putting them in their place? Nice to know that you're selfish and won't bother sticking up for new players when idiots bare their teeth because things aren't going perfectly.

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but the player ur defending is also the player you are actualizing. its victim bashing, so your point is mute

I've had great groups in DF and I've had some hideous ones as well. Just this evening I was berated quite harshly in AK for being in the wrong spot. Sorry guys but my first time there and a bit fuzzy on what to do. Don't get me a started on CM or the other 8 person story intensive dungeon. Trying to enjoy the story coupled with speed runners doesn't make a happy experience. Bad game design IMO.

The silly thing is that players wanting to do speed runs in a place like WP when others may not be geared or familiar is just silly. It usually takes longer, causes wipes and hard feelings. The best groups I've been in have done this at a steady pace, clear it in 30 minutes and we are done. If you want speed runs, form your own groups. This way, you can get it done in 10 minutes and not have to worry about the slowpokes are lesser geared players.

If you want organization and team work you need to use party finder and form your own groups, otherwise by using the instant gratification of DF you will end up having this issue

these fourm posting restrictions, um the furst paragraph is another player, his opinion happens to be a popular misconception.
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The silly thing is that players wanting to do speed runs in a place like WP when others may not be geared or familiar is just silly. It usually takes longer, causes wipes and hard feelings. The best groups I've been in have done this at a steady pace, clear it in 30 minutes and we are done. If you want speed runs, form your own groups. This way, you can get it done in 10 minutes and not have to worry about the slowpokes are lesser geared players.[/QUOTE]




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you r right its silly, so i advocate to you that what your saying to this forum is a politcally charged statement because the player your defending will, i assure your— plans to perpetual the Speed run when he/she becomes overgears.

all i do i kill threads - Jizo