Dungeon leaver penalty issues.

I logged on last night after work to do the roulette's quick and did the guildhest one fast enough but the dungeon one was a mess...

Got Stone Vigil, 1 of the DPS immediately left while the Tank was viewing the cutscene, DPS was replaced and Tank DC'd and after waiting for a reasonable amount of time the remainder of us left... only to get hit with a 30m penalty.

Are we suppose to sit in a dungeon waiting for a tank which could take anything between 1 - ?? min to find while the dungeon timer is ticking away and we cant do a thing while we wait ?
How are we suppose to leave 'properly' so we dont get punished ?

Well... before the patch, you could walk out the front door of the dungeon (rather than opening DF and clicking Leave) and not get the penalty, but I have no idea if they plugged this loophole or not.

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Originally Posted by ASnogarD

Tank DC'd and after waiting for a reasonable amount of time the remainder of us left...

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You could have used vote dismiss to kick the DC'd tank. I believe the tank would have also been auto-kicked after 10 minutes.

So you are saying one member immediately left? Well, only the first member to leave gets the punishment, regardless of if they get replaced or anything after that. So once one member bails, you are free to leave in any way you wish without getting punished.

Edit: Oh nvm, you are saying you DID get the penalty. When, then that's just odd. No idea what happened there. :/

I can confirm this. Same type of situation and once the tank leaves a party, then it's dead party 9 times out of 10. I left the party and received the penalty. I need to try walking out the front door next time.

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Originally Posted by Kat_Manx

So you are saying one member immediately left? Well, only the first member to leave gets the punishment, regardless of if they get replaced or anything after that. So once one member bails, you are free to leave in any way you wish without getting punished.

Edit: Oh nvm, you are saying you DID get the penalty. When, then that's just odd. No idea what happened there. :/

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No, this is false. The first person to leave a FULL DF group gets the penalty. So if someone leaves right off the bat, they get the penalty. Say that person gets replaced and the group is full again? You'd get the penalty for leaving since the group is now full.

We kept wiping on a boss again and again. My armour started breaking so I left. Got 30 min punishment. Well FU df.

Vote kick. Did that with a HM Haukke group; Healer d/ced and we only had like 15 mins to try (again..) to beat the last boss. Vote kicked the healer before leaving and didn't get the penalty.

Fail party on first trash pack and tanks bails. So did the two bards. I walked out the entrance and no penalty for doing so. Queued up again.

You only incur penalty if you are the first to leave. If you have an AFK, initiate a vote kick and leave once they are booted. Or as somebody already stated: They will time out in ~10 minutes.

As others have said, votekick someone or wait for someone to leave party via timing out. As long as you are not the FIRST person to leave the party you will not get a penalty.

I can confirm using the entrance to exit the Dungeon will not incur the 30 minute ban as of last night.

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Originally Posted by Cigaran

I can confirm using the entrance to exit the Dungeon will not incur the 30 minute ban as of last night.

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It will if you're the first one out.

I've just encountered these kinds of issues for the first time tonight. I had a PUG do nothing but trash talk after a failed Garuda until I left. I didn't realize the timer had been increased to 30 minutes, and to make matters worse I didn't realize that it would also prevent me from going back in with a group I organized myself. Frankly I lost my temper over the whole thing (since there's literally no recourse), and if my FC hadn't talked me down I might have walked away from the whole game on the spot. Overreacting, maybe, but absolutely unacceptable policy.

That's just my experience, but the point is that it's experiences like that that incentivize the kind of behavior people are complaining about here, and I'm so furious about it I had to come and complain. Sure, I could have gained the benefit of knowing what would happen if I bent to the pressure and left, but I'm out my time whether I leave or whether I stick around for a half hour valiantly defending my honor while the clock runs down. If this is the system I have to work with, what am I going to do next time? The same thing everyone else is: game it. That's the behavior that the system rewards.

when the first person drops you can leave without any penalty.

Unless as stated above, the party is full again. If you leave with a full group, even if someone had left the group prior, you get the penalty.

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Originally Posted by Drako

Unless as stated above, the party is full again. If you leave with a full group, even if someone had left the group prior, you get the penalty.

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This is not true. If someone has left the group already, anyone else who leaves will not get a penalty. Players who join an in-progress run are free to leave at anytime without taking a penalty.

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Originally Posted by Xhieron

it would also prevent me from going back in with a group I organized myself.

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Set someone else as party leader and have them queue up, worked at least before patch. Not from day one but after a smaller patch. We had a party member on penalty but the party leader was still able to queue us up as it was a premade. This was just before patch.

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Originally Posted by Archona

This is not true. If someone has left the group already, anyone else who leaves will not get a penalty. Players who join an in-progress run are free to leave at anytime without taking a penalty.

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This is 100% false. If the group is FULL. You leave, you take the hit. I've done it myself, you get the penalty.