Duty Roulette and CopperBell Mines (HM)

Why is it that people who get into Copperbell Mines (Hard Mode) instantly abandon the duty (unlss they are doing the Party-in-Progress join?)

Yes, if you end up with 2 DPS as the same class you may either have only a slow AoE LB or no Damage LB, but that is no reason to abandon. Copperbell Mines Hard Mode is not nearly as scary as people seem to think it is. Yes, the final boss is a pain in the rear for melee if the Tank is being an idiot and tanking on the sand (and not stunning Mercurial Swing).

Following applies to all high-level instances:
Also can someone explain why people abandon a duty without even trying once? I've ended up with 3 High Level PiP roulettes where when I joined only 4 minutes had ticked by (at most) and 2-3 players had already abandoned w/o doing the first pull.

At this point people just want their tomes. The new HM dungeons has a certain failure rate that most aren't willing to deal with.

I don't understand what the hell mister director was thinking, making those new dungeons so much harder than the old AK while rewarding level 60 gear no one needs. Of course some will not want to do them. They will just leave and queue again later to see if they get AK or WP.

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

At this point people just want their tomes. The new HM dungeons has a certain failure rate that most aren't willing to deal with.

I don't understand what the hell mister director was thinking, making those new dungeons so much harder than the old AK while rewarding level 60 gear no one needs. Of course some will not want to do them. They will just leave and queue again later to see if they get AK or WP.

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The only one I've failed in is Pharos Sirius. The others I aced with over 30 minutes left on the clock and they both drop 50 Myth making it worth 90.

But I've also had AK where everyont (but one) abandoned it right off...

Copperbell HM is easy.. I guess if people can't be bothered with learning fight mechanics, it could be hard. But, the same could be said for any instance. I've already taught quite a few groups how to get through the place, and at least 50% were just geared enough for the instance. If they listened, we won, if they ignored me, they died a horrible death, many times in one fight.. and that was common no matter the gear level.

Paying attention, heeding advice, and learning from mistakes is just too much for a large portion of the MMO crowd. Raging out and quitting is the only way they can cope.

Usually it goes something like this:

>Some douche starts /examining people at the very beginning.
>Hey DRG, Y U IN AF?! n00b!
>Hey man, that's not nice...
>F U!
>Stupid healer, do you even Fairy?
>Guize I'm gonna SR this.
>*runs ahead and pulls first mobs before buffs*
>OMG
>Someone quits
>Someone else quits since they won't get the penalty.
>The other two don't want to wait, so they leave
>*Join in Progress*
>Heya guys!
>....................guys?
>................................H-hello...?
*Tumbleweed lv50 rolls by*

Some pugs wall on first boss. I like the new hard modes personally, and have gotten some nice groups that rolled through pretty swiftly.

Did Copperbell earlier as BRD BRD WHM WAR. No limit break? No problem. Just don't be bad and the dungeon will be a total joke.

Do you even really need to limit break in Copperbell Hard? I usually end up with good groups who down things so easily we just sorta forget we even had the LB to begin with

Copperbell Mines can be really easy with the right party(read: one that listens to advice and performs the roles they're given), or hell with the wrong ones. Personally, I ran it twice in the DR today and got both variations, both in the Join in Progress option(the first's tank left as soon as he saw the first boss, the second's abandoned them at the start). First party had us going at the boss for a good twenty minutes before I had to just give up, while the second party was actually...great. Most of them were new, but they listened and performed as best they could.

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

At this point people just want their tomes. The new HM dungeons has a certain failure rate that most aren't willing to deal with.

I don't understand what the hell mister director was thinking, making those new dungeons so much harder than the old AK while rewarding level 60 gear no one needs. Of course some will not want to do them. They will just leave and queue again later to see if they get AK or WP.

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Define harder?

Because old AK was 25 - 30 minutes ones you get down to it

If you know Copperbell well, you can do it around 30, you can speed run Haukke in about 20 and sirius I've only done it about 5 times, averaging 30-35 minute

Is different, for sure, but i don't think it's harder...

P.S 50 tomes > 40 tomes (old AK)


Old AK was just doable in some AF gear + DL accesories group, i am sure its the same with copperbell and haukke, but sirius will take a bit more figuring out to try that

copperbell HM very easy even easier than huakke

non of my party died once and all of us were 1st time we managed to finish it in around 30 mins

huakke manor HM 25 mins

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Originally Posted by Cluebilly

Do you even really need to limit break in Copperbell Hard? I usually end up with good groups who down things so easily we just sorta forget we even had the LB to begin with

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I don't think I've ever seen lb go off in Copper HM the few times I've been there.

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

At this point people just want their tomes. The new HM dungeons has a certain failure rate that most aren't willing to deal with.

I don't understand what the hell mister director was thinking, making those new dungeons so much harder than the old AK while rewarding level 60 gear no one needs. Of course some will not want to do them. They will just leave and queue again later to see if they get AK or WP.

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These people could do what I did until yesterday, exactly because I assumed parties would often fail for the new dungeons: Do not unlock them.
But hey, it's easier to screw up others than to think.


That said, even after I unlocked most of my DR are Amdapor Keep.

I purposefully didn't complete the quests for the new HM dungeons so I could have an easy time using duty roulette.

Whenever I get Sunken temple, everyone leaves. Awful dungeon...

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Originally Posted by ninthfantasy

Whenever I get Sunken temple, everyone leaves. Awful dungeon...

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What's wrong with Sunken Temple? It's a fast, fairly easy run. The only curve ball you get are bees, but once the group knows what they do, it is easy mode.

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Originally Posted by McStagger

What's wrong with Sunken Temple? It's a fast, fairly easy run. The only curve ball you get are bees, but once the group knows what they do, it is easy mode.

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I just find it really boring. People must share the same sentiment because they always leave. The last boss is OK, I guess, kind of fun. But the rest is just a drag :(

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Originally Posted by Galliano

I purposefully didn't complete the quests for the new HM dungeons so I could have an easy time using duty roulette.

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I'm easing into the hard mode dungeons so I have an easy time with duty roulette. I have done copperbell HM a few times and know the fights very well except the last fight. There is no single strategy people use there for tanks or at least it isn't common knowledge in groups I've been with. I can beat copperbell HM now in about 30 minutes or less with a good group. I will probably unlock huakke and learn it this week then unlock and learn Pharos Sirius next week.

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

I don't understand what the hell mister director was thinking, making those new dungeons so much harder than the old AK...

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They aren't harder at all, they're just new. People simply haven't gotten the mechanics memorized like they do for WP and AK. Remember back in September when so many people were moaning and groaning about Demon Wall?

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Originally Posted by ninthfantasy

I just find it really boring. People must share the same sentiment because they always leave. The last boss is OK, I guess, kind of fun. But the rest is just a drag :(

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Qarn is fun!

Stone Vigil, on the other hand... :(

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Originally Posted by ninthfantasy

Whenever I get Sunken temple, everyone leaves. Awful dungeon...

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Speaking of Sunken Temple, has anyone else saw people stand on part of the environment (I think it's an elevated rock or something) to avoid doom? I had to do Sunken for story and the other 3 members stood on the elevated area the whole time and didn't have to work with doom mechanics while I tanked. I thought about leaving but stayed because SE deems some of the strangest things as legit and others as exploits and it would be a glitch in a level 35ish dungeon that half PUGs fail and it was also recycled for 50 story content. Sorry about rant I just hated everything about doing Sunken for 2.1 content even though I got a good group and we 1 shot everything. Anyone think standing on an elevated area to avoid doom is an exploit?

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Originally Posted by xRitzx

Speaking of Sunken Temple, has anyone else saw people stand on part of the environment (I think it's an elevated rock or something) to avoid doom? I had to do Sunken for story and the other 3 members stood on the elevated area the whole time and didn't have to work with doom mechanics while I tanked. I thought about leaving but stayed because SE deems some of the strangest things as legit and others as exploits and it would be a glitch in a level 35ish dungeon that half PUGs fail and it was also recycled for 50 story content. Sorry about rant I just hated everything about doing Sunken for 2.1 content even though I got a good group and we 1 shot everything. Anyone think standing on an elevated area to avoid doom is an exploit?

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We tried that since the BLM in our group suggested it, but when we tried to do it, he said they patched it out. Assuming it still works, they either haven't realised it, or they don't think it's an exploit.

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Originally Posted by xRitzx

Speaking of Sunken Temple, has anyone else saw people stand on part of the environment (I think it's an elevated rock or something) to avoid doom? ... Anyone think standing on an elevated area to avoid doom is an exploit?

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Yes, I've seen it. Done it, too. Haven't been in ST since the patch, though.

As far as whether it's an exploit, take a look at this thread.

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Originally Posted by Hvinire

While standing in this position and battling against the enemy isn't against the rules per say, and we don't plan on taking any action against those that do this, being able to play this way is not in line with the spirit of battle! We'd like to ask that you please submit this as a bug report and let the team know if you find anymore places like this so it can be adjusted.

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Wasn't considered an exploit, but they did eventually fix it:

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Originally Posted by Dark-Seraphim

Well they changed it, can no longer use that pilliar =\

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So submit a bug report if you're concerned about it.

Thank you for the replies ninthfantasy and Bixby. I probably did Sunken Temple Saturday or Sunday when the team used the environment to avoid doom mechanics. I don't have any screenshots or evidence and not submitting a bug report. I'm sure SE could see what happened there with my team if they wanted to as well. I remember a similar thing happening in the Dark Devices fate but didn't recall the specific details. It's good to know this is considered discouraged behavior but isn't an offense.