I hope the developers read this. they have a huge gap in dps use between brd vs drg or mnk. they totally made bard the king of everything in final fantasy11. now they repeat the same habit. either nerf bards and make them equal to monks and dragoons or make monks and dragoons just as good any bard in any situation. seems that the developers hate melee dps and this trend needs to change also. how about making new end game content that makes easier being melee as opposed to ranged. all I ask is balance here. bards are king because SE allowed there favoritism towards bards to run wild yet again.
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12-23-2013, 01:54 PMerzascarlettdps balance
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12-23-2013, 02:01 PMFerth
wut? 10 characters
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12-23-2013, 02:04 PMDarkshneider
ooook? bard is flexible dps.but everyone and their mother outdpses em endgame @@
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12-23-2013, 02:06 PMStalkster
Brd king DPS?
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12-23-2013, 02:11 PMerzascarlett
I was talking about usage/popularity as opposed to damage or parser outputs.
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12-23-2013, 02:28 PMParks
I see someone hasn't read the 2.1 patch notes.
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12-23-2013, 02:33 PMOPneedNerfsQuote:
Originally Posted by erzascarlett
If you're a DRG complaining about spots in a party, you should be complaining about MNKs, not BRDs. Nobody with brains would take any more than 1 BRD for current content anymore due to the recent changes. Parties will generally also bring 1 melee DPS for LB. In that case, MNKs bring far more utility to the group than a DRG can ever bring thanks to them being able to silence and mantra.Quote:
Originally Posted by erzascarlett
If the recent BRD nerfs along with DRG boosts still has people choosing to stack BRD over picking another melee, they are gimping themselves period.
Now if you were to complain about MNKs being overly useful compared to DRG, then I agree but the way you worded your initial post, you clearly have a deeply ingrained hate against BRDs for whatever reason baffles me when your real and only competition for spots in a group is a MNK.
Also, if you wish to bring MNKs and DRGs up to the level of utility a BRD currently has on a group, you'd need to bring BRDs DPS up to the level of MNKs and DRGs. You don't simply get something without losing anything. -
12-23-2013, 02:54 PMSirGazuntai
Bards were designed to be useful, not strong. Your argument should be DRG vs. MNK as BRD have lowered damage while being useful, opposed to having high damage and no other use other than DPS (and stun when no one wants you to...). If I had to choose between a MNK or a DRG I'd pick MNK unless I already had one.
However, it sounds like you're just annoyed at the fact no one wants melee in speed runs as they only want BLM and BRD. I can't think of any other end-game instance that anyone would take 2 BRD's over 1 BRD and 1 DRG anymore. If that's the case, level up a PLD. I picked BLM when I started and when I found out they were in high-demand I was happy, only to figure out it's only for speedruns. Stacking multiple classes is kind of pointless at this stage.
Also, I don't understand why so many people find Melee hard... only time it should be difficult is if you have a terrible tank. -
12-23-2013, 03:21 PMArkista
I'm sorry but I haven't been to any content to where a BRD out DDs me. I haven't been to the new extreme fight yet,but I hear its pretty rough on melee. Other than that nada.
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12-23-2013, 04:52 PMStrejdaTom
It was only a matter of time since new nerf BRD cry threads will appear. Shouldn't they rather just delete our job or what? How many nerfs do you want? Enough with this..
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12-23-2013, 06:20 PMtOnni3
Nerf us to the ground !! lolololololol
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12-23-2013, 06:31 PMSeobit
Hopefully they let us votekick people off the forums in 2.2.
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12-23-2013, 06:57 PMPhaiHe is cute tho, for some reason nerfing bard have made many melee belive that it will sort out all issues toward melee's.Quote:
Originally Posted by StrejdaTom
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12-23-2013, 08:35 PMThorauku
Please OP, Even my grandmother can out-DPS bards by a mile.
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12-24-2013, 12:49 AMReplicaXFFXI Bard: King of Everything? Try the abused tossed aside wife.Quote:
Originally Posted by erzascarlett
If it was the King why was it extremely low as far as community max lvl %?
2006
http://www.playonline.com/ff11eu/gui.../img/img04.jpg
2013
http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/gui.../imgs/jb01.jpg
Show me an official census, the game is DPS job heavy in general and I see a mix of them all, all the time. The TGS census only showed job role %, if I recall.Quote:
Originally Posted by erzascarlett
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12-24-2013, 02:48 AMWarlyxthat double minuet was OP , no1 likes to play BRD on FFXI , is the most boring job ever ....sing 2 songs on melee , 2 songs on casters , cast your debuffs and keep everything up.....Quote:
Originally Posted by ReplicaX
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12-26-2013, 12:36 PMo3o
I put out as much dps as bards on my scholor... if not a tiny bit more.
Bards are very useful because of all the utility skills they have and thus are wanted in partys. Dragoons on the other hand bring nothing but a limit break to partys, that and the fact that good monks out preform good dragoons by quite a bit on terms of dps. -
12-29-2013, 05:53 AMVenom
Somebody who's main is lvl 45 GLD should try playing bard endgame before talking crazy. Why not just remove our bow and arrows and give us feathers to tickle enemies with?
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12-30-2013, 10:28 AMLowercase
This is amazing how people still bring Nerf bard on the table,
as for now we only have Mage's ballad as the only viable song ( things that we use often, the rest of the song just played every now and then ), mediocre DPS, and silence ( heck more and more PLD and MNK do better job now a days ). Everyone on damn healer forum claiming they need better mana Regen tool. what we will have left soon with? shooting bananas ? -
12-30-2013, 04:09 PMPhaiSoon u have to play Justin Bieber to stun bosses, and fear trash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lowercase
rest of our song are about useless atm.
Fact's are, we are about to bring less utility to grp, that others dont have, and our dps have realy taken a hit.
We are a hated class and will be until SE makes an effort to the brd job. -
12-31-2013, 01:51 PMStouterTaruYou could say the same about any job in FFXI. I enjoyed playing bard, I was the busiest member of the party most of the time when leveling it up, and in merit parties. In end game fights it was boring, but so were most jobs in most fights. Everyone can't be a blm pulling hate and running like hell from Kirin.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlyx
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01-01-2014, 01:40 AMSimaril
As whm, I don't really care who does what dps. I really do care about who can get out of the red circle, who can kill the right target, and who can click on the correct thingy.
Honestly, I believe balance is BAD for games. I wish SE would unbalance the game, perhaps much more. WoW was the most balanced MMO I ever played at it's time - but also became rediculously homogonized. Balance should mean that all classes are equivalent, but instead, balance has come to mean all the classes are the same. If that's the goal there should be 3 or 4 classes tank, healer, melee, caster (or combine melee and caster into just dps).
Instead, I would prefer each class be OP in some way, so that every class is very valuable for that special thing or combination of things they do.