Please no more melee friendly content...

If garuda EM is what you guys think is more melee friendly then please don't help us anymore.

First fight I have been on where my raid team has to do things special just so I don't die. Every other fight in the game before this I have been able to deal with things on my own with some minor communications with the tanks when bosses are being moved.

Jumped with my DRG right into wicked wheel. Ow.

Not done it as melee yet but... isn't it just running away after the Downburst?
Seems a lot more melee friendly than T2.

As a healer doing garuda EM, the melee just end up being a waste of mana, no offense :p

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Originally Posted by etheran

As a healer doing garuda EM, the melee just end up being a waste of mana, no offense :p

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I think I am the only one using up healer MP honestly...

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

Not done it as melee yet but... isn't it just running away after the Downburst?
Seems a lot more melee friendly than T2.

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I thought after the first wheel it was more random than that. I don't worry about it on my tank, and only done it once on my DRG

Pretty sure Garuda EX has a standard rotation when the sisters are around. I think the wicked wheel comes in after she throws a friction.

I kind of have to agree with Hard mode was much more melee friendly than Extreme. The wheels hurt but weren't bad with shields/sacred soil and such, and the constant movement sure, it's annoying, but it's better than eating dirt. But it's still early I guess. Maybe we'll change our minds when we get her script memorized. Till then though,

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As a healer doing garuda EM, the melee just end up being a waste of mana, no offense

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{Please forgive me.} :p

Just use Stoneskin or Adlo on Melee and after Whicked Wheel heal him/her up and use Stoneskin or Adlo again. Not so much of a problem.

I loved Garuda X on DRG.

Only ONCE can you not attack her. (Sisters)

Get over it.

2 PLD 1 SCH 1 WHM 4 BLM = Garuda Ex's nightmare!

LFM Garuda EX NO MELEE!

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

I loved Garuda X on DRG.

Only ONCE can you not attack her. (Sisters)

Get over it.

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Basically. Even then if people are avoiding damage like they should then a scholar/whm has time to put adlo/SS on a melee because after the double wicked wheel the MT is taking minimal damage.

They just gotta learn when it is coming and move out then, one monk I had just stood with the ranged stack until only garuda was left. Hardly any damage was done to Garuda in that phase and our dps was incredibly slow. It is really hard to have garuda drop in 2 cycles if melee doesn't dps the other sister.

It's all about getting used to the mechanics, I hardly get hit by anything unavoidable anymore as monk.
However I died like an idiot on whicked wheel when we first started doing Garuda EM.
I don't mind fights like that, they keep me awake.

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

I loved Garuda X on DRG.

Only ONCE can you not attack her. (Sisters)

Get over it.

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You sound like a person that has no friends.

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Originally Posted by Esmian

Basically. Even then if people are avoiding damage like they should then a scholar/whm has time to put adlo/SS on a melee because after the double wicked wheel the MT is taking minimal damage.

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Melee are requiring something special to keep them up. Why bring a melee when they make the fight harder? And the more melee you bring the worse it gets.

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

Melee are requiring something special to keep them up. Why bring a melee when they make the fight harder? And the more melee you bring the worse it gets.

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We've done the fight with 2 melees just fine, I don't see how bringing melees makes the fight hard.
If anything it makes the fight easier since you bring more DPS.

maybe you just dont know the fight well enough.

I wish I didn't have to do anything difficult at all or learn to play my class for that matter. I just want to push one button and win.

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Originally Posted by Atreides

We've done the fight with 2 melees just fine, I don't see how bringing melees makes the fight hard.
If anything it makes the fight easier since you bring more DPS.

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Any ranged getting beat by melee on this fight are bad and should be replaced. There is far to much running around and buff/debuff resetting for melee to be anything special on this one.

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Originally Posted by indira

maybe you just dont know the fight well enough.

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If by me not knowing the fight well enough you mean tanks and healers not knowing the fight then maybe. Since when is it a good idea for MMO Bosses to require special positioning for one type of dps when another can do the exact same thing without it?

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Originally Posted by DoctorMog

I loved Garuda X on DRG.

Only ONCE can you not attack her. (Sisters)

Get over it.

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Gonna agree here. Got my win on DRG and found the fight to be a lot more manageable once I learned her mechanics. Yes I died a couple of times, but no one ever beats new content on the first try.

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Originally Posted by Rochetm

Any ranged getting beat by melee on this fight are bad and should be replaced. There is far to much running around and buff/debuff resetting for melee to be anything special on this one.

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Beat Garuda several times and never once did I get beat by ranged DPS.
No our ranged do not suck, they perform just fine.
Maybe it's just you that can't handle the mechanics as melee?
Don't just throw the towel because you feel overwhelmed and learn to deal with the mechanics instead.
At first I was like "What kind of BS is this mechanic?! F'ing onehit?! Really?" but after 2 tries I didn't see a problem with it anymore, it's actually fun to be on your toes.
Now we take 2 melees and finish Chirada first making the fight faster overall since Chirada heals Garuda and does not use wheel.
The tanks can handle a double wheel easy with CD and it's very predictable.

This game doesn't have melee unfriendly content.

Garuda EM is another example of a fight where you take 1 melee only. I doubt drg and mnk will ever get to play together.

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Originally Posted by Emblemelite

2 PLD 1 SCH 1 WHM 4 BLM = Garuda Ex's nightmare!

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Why two healers? its completly waste of spot.. bring WHM and kick SCH for bard ^^

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Originally Posted by Ryios

Garuda EM is another example of a fight where you take 1 melee only. I doubt drg and mnk will ever get to play together.

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We take Dragoon and Monk, it works just fine once the group learns the mechanics.

I'm having a hard time with this thread. Basically the majority is just saying L2PNOOB! without really offering any help.
I know it's fun to learn the fight, and some people only want to find out on their own, but if you really don't have any constructive comments maybe just don't comment?


*Spoiler Alert*





Wicked Wheel comes after Friction. Both Garuda and Suparna tend to use them at the same time which will pretty much one shot melee. Just stay out when Wicked Wheels are incoming.

*Spoiler End!*

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Originally Posted by Rolvag

Why two healers? its completly waste of spot.. bring WHM and kick SCH for bard ^^

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If you have a WHM that can solo heal it, awesome. I'm not so lucky.... Yet.

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Originally Posted by kayuwoody

Wicked Wheel comes after Friction. Both Garuda and Suparna tend to use them at the same time which will pretty much one shot melee. Just stay out when Wicked Wheels are incoming.

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There is a way so that melees don't have to deal with Wicked Wheel at all.
Just let the tank handle Garuda and Suparna, while the offtank grabs Chirada.
Kill Chirada and attack Suparna after Garuda did her wicked wheel, Suparna won't do another wicket wheel after Chirada died. (I cannot confirm that she doesn't do it at all but so far I haven't seen her use it after Chirada died. Garuda will still do it until both are death.)
In the next add phase our offtank grabs Chirada and the feather and pulls her to the usual position. After we finished Chirada we wait for the Wicked Wheel from Garuda and Charge/jump to the other side to Suparna while the offtank taunts Garuda and the maintank taunts the feather. Of course you can also have the offtank taunt Suparna instead of Garuda but that would be a DPS loss since melees would have to wait for her to be in position.

Another alternative is to use defensive cooldowns and just survive through wicked wheel. DRG has access to Keen Flurry (80% Parry Rate) and can cross-class either Foresight (Defense +20%), Feather Foot (Evasion +15%), or both. Personally, Foresight imo is the best because it doesn't rely on RNG. Monk has access to these as well but there Feather Foot is 25%, there Keen Flurry only 40%, and again, Foresight for Defense +20%.

I have no problem with playing a melee for Garuda X, but it annoys me that once again, ranged jobs have an easier time. They can just sit in their safe pocket of air firing off DPS at both sisters (moving once in a while for a red circle friction) while melees are pre-empting wicked wheels and crossing the middle dead zone in between tornado pulses. Rather than make life for melees easier, I was under the impression that SE intended for mechanics to become more difficult for ranged jobs, but I guess apparently not.

DRG here. Wicked Wheel comes ~10-12 seconds after Suparna / Chirada use Friction. Simply do not be near Garuda during this time and you will not be hit.

P.S. Thanks for the good laugh with a thread complaining about mechanics being difficult in an "Extreme" mode primal fight.

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Originally Posted by Hwa_Ryun

I have no problem with playing a melee for Garuda X, but it annoys me that once again, ranged jobs have an easier time.

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Ummmm duh? Thats how it is for melee in almost every-single-game. If you don't like having to deal with mechanics, then go play Hearthstone.

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Originally Posted by Itseotle

Ummmm duh? Thats how it is for melee in almost every-single-game. If you don't like having to deal with mechanics, then go play Hearthstone.

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I think you meant, "go play WoW". Blizzard has the common sense of having melee-only mechanics, and ranged-only mechanics, class stacking being a hinderance in a smart way (need melee do deal with x mechanic, need ranged to deal with y mechanic, need everyone for buffs).

Here, you bring melee for... Final Heaven. And that's it.

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

I think you meant, "go play WoW". Blizzard has the common sense of having melee-only mechanics, and ranged-only mechanics, class stacking being a hinderance in a smart way (need melee do deal with x mechanic, need ranged to deal with y mechanic, need everyone for buffs).

Here, you bring melee for... Final Heaven. And that's it.

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Thats pretty much it... Best part of it is that people haven't figured out that melee LB really isn't that good.

Have your tanks position the Garuda/Adds between the wall and one of the tornadoes in a nook. The DPS can then dodge the wheel altogether by running to the area where the three tornadoes meet. Healers can also toss DD a stoneskin for safe measure but if the tanks and dps do their jobs properly it isn't required.