Still no plans for a token system for primal drops?

So I beat the good king earlier today and, as luck would have it, the mogfork drops. Now I'm a bit of a collector, and I really wanted to take it as I love having 'the complete set' and it would mean I only need Ifrit's harpoon to have 4/4, but straight away the tank (relic zenith WAR) launches into a guilt trip about how bad a person I am for putting a need down on some pixels, because ''I have a DRG and I need it and you've got Zenith blah blah etc.'' I didn't want to be an a-hole about it, he may really have needed the weapon after all, so after a bit of an internal debate I left the instance and let him and the SCH roll for it between them. I regretted it immediately, but that's beside the point.

I still really want to get the weapon at some stage, but I would like a way of doing it without taking it from someone else who may/may not actually need it. I would especially like a way of doing it which doesn't end up in people taking hissy fits because I've got zenith and they want it instead.

To that end I ask you, where is the token system? I didn't play v1.0 but I know it had one in place. Why was it removed? Hell, I would even spend phylo/myth tomes on it if it meant not having to repeat a primal over and over again until I get a party where nobody else wants the drop I want just so that I can take it if it drops without them trying to guilt me into feeling like I killed a puppy. From another angle, how is it fair for the unlucky ones among us who want a primal weapon but can't get it to drop regardless of having beat the respective primal more times than they can count? I would love to get a decent answer on this.

I'm also a spear collector and I've had similar concerns until I remembered they give out relics so I shouldn't worry about getting a lvl 60 weapon for vanity reasons.

Was his DRG in the fight? No? Then his DRG can go suck a ****.

You beat the fight on a specific class, need vs. greed is based on this.

A little off topic, but besides that, I don't really like the idea of making it easier for someone that fate ground a job to 50, learning nothing about it, also getting good gear immediately because they got drops on another job. Several times I have picked up a pug to fill a group thinking they must know their class reasonably well due to gear, only to find out they hit 50 an hour ago and earned that gear with another class.

You can collect Rowena Tokens for I90 'Token' Weapons. You can set a Party Finder for Farming an instance for items.

There is no token system because the weapons are 100% drop, unlike in 1.0 where you could get nothing.

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they had a token system in 1.0, also garuda in 1.0 had a guaranteed rate.

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the token system was used to offset the fact that weapons had a low drop rate. In ARR you get a weapon every time, and these battles are 5-10 minutes in length without the 15 minute wait time that was in 1.0.

they had a token system in 1.0, also garuda in 1.0 had a guaranteed rate.

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Originally Posted by indira

they had a token system in 1.0, also garuda in 1.0 had a guaranteed rate.

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For tokens, not for weapons. This is what Al meant. Since weapons ALWAYS drop, there will be no token system. They've even said as much.

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Originally Posted by ispano

For tokens, not for weapons. This is what Al meant. Since weapons ALWAYS drop, there will be no token system. They've even said as much.

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token is a token, and theres was in 1.0

OP, if he wanted to have higher chances on the drop he should have queued as DRG. I'm quite sure he would have said the same whatever the dropped weapon was. I wanted to get garuda bow for my bard, I faced the long queue for DD's so I'd be able to need on it. It's for for me and for the others. Next time don't give in.

If you want to get weapons for alt jobs without a hassle weapon farm with your FC

If I was you I would have just rolled need.

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Originally Posted by indira

token is a token, and theres was in 1.0

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You missed the point. Primals in 1.0 dropped tokens because many times, most times in fact, you got no weapon drop at all. And yes, Garuda dropped a token every single time, but you needed 40 of them for one weapon. Lastly, because a weapon drops EVERY time in 2.0, there will be no tokens. They've already said no.

If the tank was not a friend of yours, then you should have just taken it. Need beats greed, if he wanted the DRG weapon, then he should have run the instance as a DRG.

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Originally Posted by jmdatcs

need vs. greed

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Originally Posted by TeganLaron

Need beats greed

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The need button doesn't mean "click me if I light up". It means "click me if you need the item". In a situation such as the OPs, greed would have been the right way to do it, as he had no need for the item aside from stuffing it into a retainer.

I would have need it too, for collection or vanity purpose. Unless you are in FC party or with friends do not expect other would pass for you and I would not expect other would pass for me either.
If they want something for a particular class then just queue with that class

If you run as a dragoon and a dragoon piece drops, you can roll need for any reason at all. If you want it for your collection, that's good enough. Need means you get first dibs, so if you want it, go for it. Greed means you got dibs if no one else wants it. The way gear works, there will be times when you want something but won't be able to need on it. Take your rewards when the game gives them to you, and be gracious about not getting loot when it's someone else's turn.

OP, it was very generous of you to let the tank have have the spear, when clearly the tank didn't need the weapon either. I think you should have rolled need, though. In fact it was rude of the tank to ask you to give up your reward. Do they also give up their rewards when they have a chance to roll need?

There's not very much gear that people "need" in this game. There are lots of ways to earn good gear, so don't be guilt tripped into giving away rewards to selfish people.

Meh only like 50 runs of garuda to get all 9 weapons, easily done when you can do runs in 4 minutes....Only done titan about 10 times but I have 3 weapons, so I'm kinda lucky. It's not like primal's are hard once you know their strategies. Why would you even want the primal weapons anyways? They are only stepping stones to a relic weapon, which isn't that hard to get....

Also the 1.0 token system was you had a chance to get nothing important, a token, or a weapon. Everyone had their own chest which they got loot from, meaning you could get a whm weapon even though you were a war, and couldn't trade it to the whm.

Vanity, collection take your pick. I myself have bow, spear, BLM weapons and ACN/SMN books from Ifrit, Garuda and Titan. The Mog weapon are kinda cute, I got Mogfist and Mogbow

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

The need button doesn't mean "click me if I light up". It means "click me if you need the item".

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Erm, no it doesn't. It means you get first choice on the item as it is relevant to your class. Whether you want the item as your main weapon, back up, or to use as a doorstop is irrelevant. If that tank wanted to farm weapons then he should have joined a pre-made with that goal, not bullied the DRG out of taking what he was entitled to.