Warrior MT on Garuda EX.. need help

The requirement is i62 or 65 or whatever, and i'm 78, but i'm having a seriously hard time surviving once the adds come down. I take Garuda and Suparna off to the side, pop vengeance and inner beast, healer puts stoneskin on me, but they absolutely murder me. Three times in a row they both popped me for 4k simultaneously, with wicked wheel I think? Any tips on how to survive this? Or tips in general? Thanks.

Never had this problem. The only time I was in critical condition would be when I had only thrill of battle on (lazy me), but despite being ilvl 87, I had only 1k Hp left after 2x 4.5k wind wheel attack (or whatever it's called). Otherwise no critical situations whatsoever.

I'd pop vengeance and IB right before they do that cleave. Also I don't mind opening with a BB-combo on Suparna. Just have BB ready to pull her with, or even flash/tomahawk will do.

Run to your spot. Since you're MT, do a quick Storm's eye combo for extra healing (popping Convalescence too, doesn't hurt). You don't have to worry to lose enmity since no one is attacking them. I use the unchained thingy (unchained, IR, Berserk, BloodB) for some nice extra self-healing.

Plenty of options, but this works for me. Most of the abilities should be ready again when you have the next 'big' pull. What also helps: have your casters toss in Virus and Eye for an Eye for you. People tend to forget about these. They're designed for phases like these, helps a lot!

Basically you have to use vengeance after you see them cast Friction during the first spawn, it usually happens within 10 seconds of it. During the second spawn they seem to do it somewhat more randomly.

Wicked Wheel is a bit overtuned, IMO. Item level 65 tanks cannot survive double wheel without a cooldown up. On a paladin it hits for 2800 from Suparna and 3200 from Garuda. 6k damage. No item level 65 paladin has that much health. Even if they barely survive it, a single melee attack will kill them. Also, Wicked Wheel can straight up 1-shot melee dps, depending on gear.

I have this issue myself and am I lvl78 on war. The first jump/adds it is possible to avoid at least one of the whicked wheels as someone noted above it happens right after a friction and you have the room to run at this point. After that when the tornados are out dont really have the room to try and avoid it and it is more random. All ones after first all cooldowns that u have up vengence/ forsight/ featherfoot/ combos up if you can and yes healers using there skills as well. I have about 7.5k hp and unmitigated the double whicked wheel is over 4k a hit. I belive there is 80 sec once the adds pop to put them down before they go to middle for the next minstral song so should be 90+ seconds before you have to pull both back and deal with it again.

Yea it gets very random as the fight continues, I've had them do it at separate times, but it always happens AFTER Garuda finally summons the tornadoes in that phase so just be ready, if you pop Vengance right as the come back to you after Tornado cast it will be up when they WW. You really shouldn't need cooldowns for anything else so it's good to pop 2-3 for each WW, or have a good WHM that knows when to Stone Skin, our clears have gotten so smooth because of our WHM being amazing, honestly when they wicked wheel I don't even notice it sometimes. Also if they disappear (doing the switch) it happens almost right after that, but they don't always do the switch so it isn't a great marker.

Don't worry porky we will kill it :-D these guys have some good tips though :-) guildy love <3

Quick question

Does Green Feather will always go Tank unless Healer accident put regen or get heal enmity?

Unless regen does 100,000 enmity, no.

Use ToB then foresight or venegance. You'll know you're about to get double teamed by wicked wheel when you see at target on your character. I mt Garuda EM and I only take 4-5k or less if I parry. Also if you're main tanking Garuda have your team kill the add that's on you so you take less damage then kill the ot add afterwards.

get to your spot 2 seconds later garuda will start casting slipstream get behind her by then surpana(cant remember if i spell it right) will start casting slipstream to get back to garuda n pop both defence cd revenge n the other 1 the gives 20% defence those 2 together gives you 50% defence after friction sometimes they jump or do wicked wheel if they jump as soon as they land cast holmgang

Ready inner beast right before the huge Double AoE, also pop vengeance, if needed also Battle thrill and you shlould be completly safe from dieing. If vengeance isnt ready use Holmgang for it, but tell your whm so he can benediction you when you drop to 1 hp. its all a timing thing. I had issues at the beginning as well, now its just cup cake once i got used to the timing(sorry for bad english)

Double wicked wheel can hit like a truck. One of the first times I was doing Garuda X I got hit for a combined 6.7k damage, which was more health than I had in total as a ilvl 84 PLD. From then on I learned to pop sentinel (or rampart+forsight) every time wicked wheel could come (which, if your dps doesn't suck, is right after they port and drop feathers).


Speaking of wicked wheels, how do groups manage melee dps players during tornado phase after chirada is dead? The way I do it is have the MT (me) pick up garuda, suparna and spiny at the start while OT tanks chirada. Chirada goes down and OT vokes spiny off of me when I have 2 stacks, and I keep tanking suparna and garuda till suparna dies and garuda ports. At first I would have melee dps cross over to help dps down suparna, but after realizing they will probably either (a) derp and get hit by tornado as they cross and die, or (b) get hit by 1 or 2 wicked wheels and die, I started telling them to stay with the offtank, and we would have only the ranged dps killing suparna. Then I wisened up and stopped bringing melee dps altogether, now it's all ranged dps loving. I realize I could do it differently by having OT pick up chirada and spiny at the start, and me have only suparna and garuda, and have us switch spiny and suparna with voke, but I found my first method inherently safer and giving better results as there's a chance I can get slipstreamed by either suparna or garuda while trying to voke spiny. Plus the tunnel vision I get while tanking both garuda+suparna doesn't help with timings.

Im just gonna say tanks should always have considerably more i level than the bare minimum to que in. DPS and healers with skill shouldn't have a problem with that i level but a tank should be close to 80+ if they want to main tank this fight. Off tank could probably get away with less easily tho.

I normally grab the green add (Chirada). Chi + Garuda do less damage than Garuda + Suppana. anyway the main trick is to watching out for Fiction, every they cast fiction, it will shortly follow by Dbl. wicked wheel that will do aobut 5-7K damage. make sure you pop ur CD for that.

You know there's a whole way to run this fight that doesn't ever have a tank w/ 2 on him/her at once ...
DDs grab one add, take to one side
OT grab one add, take to opposite side
MT hold Garuda due north

When "X" storms are up you just shift a little clockwise
Wheel does less damage
They have far less damage resist
On the whole the adds are just easier

An i65 tank can take a hit from an 1 of them at a time as well, so the ilvl set by SE is very doable.
Moral of the story: Just because it is a way that has worked for others does not make it the only way to win. If something simply isn't working, find a way to change.

Ahh i hadn't thought about trying to spread them about into a group of 3, that could work as well i guess

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Originally Posted by Soulburn32

Ahh i hadn't thought about trying to spread them about into a group of 3, that could work as well i guess

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So long as your DDs know to stack and share damage from down burst or w/e and avoid Wheel to some degree. W/O the buff stacks they get it doesn't hurt nearly as bad, but it can still potentially one shot lesser geared DDs.

Double Wicked Wheel can be predicted. It occurs a few seconds after the little teleport they do shortly after the Slipstreams, and immediately after Suparna's Friction.

-Get Eye for an Eye from a healer.
-Once you have established aggro on Suparna and have them in position, try to tag one or more of them with Storm's Path. Do it after the Slipstreams.
-Pop Vengeance after they come back from the teleport. Double Wicked Wheel will happen within 15 seconds.
-Suparna always casts Friction before the Double Wicked Wheel. Watch Suparna and respond with Inner Beast when Suparna casts Friction.
-The DR from Eye for an Eye, Storm's Path, Vengeance and Innner Beast is a lot. Double Wicked Wheels will go from "omfg it one-shotted me" to "tee hee that tickles!"
-If your DPS is too low low, there might be a second Double Wicked Wheel. You can either have the OT Voke Suparna off of you (Chirada should be dead) or prepare for it with Thrill of Battle + Inner Beast.

Are your DPS focussing on Suprana or Chirada first?

Because we had our DPS burn Suprana ASAP then move onto Chirada to avoid getting cleaved to hell! Worked every time.

It seems no one has mentioned this to you.. but I do that fight in ilvl 76 gear.. after friction, Garuda may Wicked wheel or jump... to be safe move away from her right after friction. If you time it right, wicked wheel will miss you entirely. The spiny cannot be pulled using standard enmity attacks such as the BB combo. I have beaten one near to death after it was on the MT and never took aggro. Taunt will take spiny (green feather) with no issues. Usually it goes to the person with 2nd highest threat on Garuda, unless the gap is relatively far apart, in which case it will go to the MT.

*EDIT*

There was some mention of taking less damage, but all damage can be avoided when done like a champ.

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Originally Posted by bokchoykn

Double Wicked Wheel can be predicted. It occurs a few seconds after the little teleport they do shortly after the Slipstreams, and immediately after Suparna's Friction.

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Not always. I thought so at one point, then had it happen before they did the teleport.

So far it has always been a while after the Friction cast, though.

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Not always. I thought so at one point, then had it happen before they did the teleport.

So far it has always been a while after the Friction cast, though.

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depend on the MT. if MT grab boss and Suprana, then they will do Fiction and maybe teleport after then Wicked wheel.

If MT grab, Boss and Chirada then garuda will not Teleport (until she rdy for her big AoE) and wicked wheel will alway come after Fiction.

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Originally Posted by BearGrylls

The requirement is i62 or 65 or whatever, and i'm 78, but i'm having a seriously hard time surviving once the adds come down. I take Garuda and Suparna off to the side, pop vengeance and inner beast, healer puts stoneskin on me, but they absolutely murder me. Three times in a row they both popped me for 4k simultaneously, with wicked wheel I think? Any tips on how to survive this? Or tips in general? Thanks.

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Did you pop your cooldowns immediatly after friction? This is very important.
You can alternate vengeance and thrill of battle after every friction and one buff + inner beast + stoneskin + pre heals should be more than enough to survive.
Keep garuda in focus and the sister in target so you can dodge stuff from both.
I have very good healers and still the first couple of times exploded :D everything needs to be timed right.

edit. i tank the red sister (name?) and the big hits happen 100% of the times right after the sister's friction, its always like that:
1 - grab sister and focus garuda
2 - run to spot with both
3 - dodge slipstream
4 - dodge friction
5 - use IB and pop cooldown
6 - repeat 3, 4, 5

Wicked Wheel is hard to eat, especially if healers don't do their job, try to use always IB before the attack, have some other CD(maybe Storm's Eye on both Garuda ad Suparna) and to be full HP before the attack.

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Use ToB then foresight or venegance. You'll know you're about to get double teamed by wicked wheel when you see at target on your character. I mt Garuda EM and I only take 4-5k or less if I parry. Also if you're main tanking Garuda have your team kill the add that's on you so you take less damage then kill the ot add afterwards.

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I was having problems with this as well as ilvl78 war but I got it down now consistently.
First focus target garuda so u avoid her slipstreams as well as surpana's
Wicked wheel ALWAYS comes after surpana's Friction, and most likely just after the first teleport.
What I do is after that first teleport pop Vengeance and IB and have the sch throw un adlo or if whm SS at the teleport. With that u should have enough to survive.
Next comes the second wicked wheel's. These comes the same as the last one, after surpana's Friction. I use thrill of battle, foresight, conv and IB for these.

Then repeat and GG
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