Why are they soo slow?!

Okay, there seems to be a lot of people who think that the updates are coming slow, and that the team should speed things up. Well lets start with this; The team is currently working on our Battle System, the battle system is one of the most important features in an MMO (Who knew that killing mobs was part of an MMO?) Anyhoo, the battle system is like the backbone of a MMO. What happens is that when we get a bad battle system, like the one we currently have, and they have to replace it, means, that we need to start a new one from scratch!

Hokay, so they start making the new battle system, they have a lot of things they need to work on. These include; New math, which this one involves AA, which needs Haste, weapon delay, and all that other jazz into it. Then they have to infinitely change the system to apply for each character, mob, how abilities work, how damage is spread, how healing is done, etc.

That being said, they pretty much had to do what takes normally a year or so to implement, into a 6-7 month period. So this means they have to pt a majority of their manpower and resources into the battle system to get it working correctly so it can be implemented into the game. Also, all content is normally based around the battle system, so, once the battle system is in place, providing more content and other goodies that we want will come more frequently.

Thank you gents and Ladies for your time.

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Originally Posted by Gath

Okay, there seems to be a lot of people who think that the updates are coming slow, and that the team should speed things up. Well lets start with this; The team is currently working on our Battle System, the battle system is one of the most important features in an MMO (Who knew that killing mobs was part of an MMO?) Anyhoo, the battle system is like the backbone of a MMO. What happens is that when we get a bad battle system, like the one we currently have, and they have to replace it, means, that we need to start a new one from scratch!

Hokay, so they start making the new battle system, they have a lot of things they need to work on. These include; New math, which this one involves AA, which needs Haste, weapon delay, and all that other jazz into it. Then they have to infinitely change the system to apply for each character, mob, how abilities work, how damage is spread, how healing is done, etc.

That being said, they pretty much had to do what takes normally a year or so to implement, into a 6-7 month period. So this means they have to pt a majority of their manpower and resources into the battle system to get it working correctly so it can be implemented into the game. Also, all content is normally based around the battle system, so, once the battle system is in place, providing more content and other goodies that we want will come more frequently.

Thank you gents and Ladies for your time.

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The animations are there
The rendering is there
The base code is there

By no means are they starting from "scratch".

I don't see why it would take too long to implement auto attack... I know it would take years for me to do it but come on these are payed professionals that have been doing these things for most of their adult lives.

The autoattack alone would make them redesign the battle system from nearly scratch.

The Dmg equation has to be changed (if they are doing anything like XI's system), tp forumla has to be changed, they have to remove the stamina bar so something else has to limit things so rebalancing of all the traits and abilities. the weapons have to all be changed with delays and what not, animation might have to be altered to make it not look awkward.

I see that 1 simple change probally being a mountainous amount of work.

Simple making your character attack nonstop would not work at all with the current structure of the battle system.

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Originally Posted by Bled

The animations are there
The rendering is there
The base code is there

By no means are they starting from "scratch".

I don't see why it take long to implement auto attack... I know it would take years for me to do it but come on these are payed professionals that have been doing these things for most of their adult lives.

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Yeah but they are bad at it, look at what we are working with 9 months into retail.

companies have built whole games in one year.

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Originally Posted by TonyMontana

Yeah but they are bad at it, look at what we are working with 9 months into retail.

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you sir hit the poorly designed nail right on the head.

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Originally Posted by Bled

The animations are there
The rendering is there
The base code is there

By no means are they starting from "scratch".

I don't see why it would take too long to implement auto attack... I know it would take years for me to do it but come on these are payed professionals that have been doing these things for most of their adult lives.

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The animations have to be changed
Rendering has to be redone
The base code cannot be implemented unless tiresome editing is done....

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Originally Posted by Gath

The animations have to be changed
Rendering has to be redone
The base code cannot be implemented unless tiresome editing is done....

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Attack animations, spell animations, character animation all will stay.

Rendering is built into the engine so no... it does not have to be redone.

The base code will be tweaked and new equations will be implemented but the base code dose not have to be changed.

Is it a tough job... sure, but not a year project.

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Originally Posted by Bled

The animations are there
The rendering is there
The base code is there

By no means are they starting from "scratch".

I don't see why it take long to implement auto attack... I know it would take years for me to do it but come on these are payed professionals that have been doing these things for most of their adult lives.

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there doing overhaul, why do u and everyone here think this can be done over night and not just adding auto attack there a lot being fixed and added this is why I got so pissed when se stated they were making a new mmo at a time when fixing another because most dont gasp that it would take them years make new one alot here think this crap can be done over night.

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Originally Posted by Captaindownsyndrome

there doing overhaul, why do u and everyone here think this can be done over night and not just adding auto attack there a lot being fixed and added this is why I got so pissed when se stated they were making a new mmo at a time when fixing another because most dont gasp that it would take them years make new one alot here think this crap can be done over night.

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at no point did i even hint that it should be done over night, but then again maybe in this world you live in 2-3 months is over night O.o

We are all working with limited information on what is at SE disposal for this over haul, all i am stating is that they are not starting from scratch.

Edit: I would rather the battle over haul be later rather then sooner for the record books, however it should not take a year... that's preposterous.

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Originally Posted by Bled

at no point did i even hint that it should be done over night, but then again maybe in this world you live in 9 months is over night O.o

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you guys have been saying this sense day one it seem not that long age people were saying but it been a month every one being impatient and you damn well know it

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Originally Posted by Captaindownsyndrome

you guys have been saying this sense day one it seem not that long age people were saying but it been a month every one being impatient and you damn well know it

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Not I sir, not I.. I am a very patient person, but i need prompt information and communication from community reps in this case, its just professional.

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Originally Posted by Bled

Not I sir, not I.. I am a very patient person, but i need prompt information and communication from community reps in this case, its just professional.

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only been four weeks and last letter had the whole plans for summer so yes this is what call impatient, give them time lets see what happens in next two updates if game get worse then Ill be pissed about game along side u

p.s talking about ffxiv making want play so this be my last post im off to ffxiv

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Originally Posted by Captaindownsyndrome

only been four weeks and last letter had the whole plans for summer so yes this is what call impatient, give them time lets see what happens in next two updates if game get worse then Ill be pissed about game along side u

p.s talking about ffxiv making want play so this be my last post im off to ffxiv

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Info from Community Rep's is a lot different from wanting letters from the producer. I want more communication from the community reps rather than auto mated responses from the community reps in the forums.

I don't want more letters from the producers i want to see some well thought out interesting posts with some personality rather then copy pastes right out of the patch notes.

Who said they have been working on the new Battle system for 6 months?? when was the players poll
?? So after that had to do a concept design, test tweak then retest it. so i think theor doing it actually fast. You suck aZZ leave the game

In another thread I think they said that the development team was about 100 people including the cleaning staff.

They must be taking turns to do development by pulling sticks and seeing who ends up with the short one. Then that person gets punished and has to develop something for us.

Disclaimer : I have no facts to support my alleged story, I the writer am not responsible for those it may affect. I have done 0% amount of research.

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Originally Posted by Joeking

In another thread I think they said that the development team was about 100 people including the cleaning staff.

They must be taking turns to do development by pulling sticks and seeing who ends up with the short one. Then that person gets punished and has to develop something for us.

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Ah, FFXIV was programmed by the janitor. It all makes sense now!

I think nobody in this thread, on either side of the argument, really knows what they are talking about. Unless you are a game developer who has personally had to redesign a battle system in your game after launch you don't know one way or the other. You can speculate all day long, but you simply don't know.

Fail developers need to get sacked.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

I think nobody in this thread, on either side of the argument, really knows what they are talking about. Unless you are a game developer who has personally had to redesign a battle system in your game after launch you don't know one way or the other. You can speculate all day long, but you simply don't know.

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But when you see the affect of other developers being able to do it, even rehauling the entire game faster than SE can do 1 part, then you do know. SE suck.

dunno why, but this community is starting to remind me of the Violet girl from Willy Wonka. She wants a golden goose, and she wants it noooowwww.

We got a time when to expect the patch, we're not even there yet, can't you just hold it a lil' longer? Why is info even so important at this point, we already flood this place with speculation. I'd rather we all actually try out the new systems and content before discussing it.

I wonder if auto attacks also means going back and placing a "speed" timer on each individual weapon too, because I would imagine an axe wouldn't swing as fast as a dagger say.

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Originally Posted by SHJcules

dunno why, but this community is starting to remind me of the Violet girl from Willy Wonka. She wants a golden goose, and she wants it noooowwww.

We got a time when to expect the patch, we're not even there yet, can't you just hold it a lil' longer? Why is info even so important at this point, we already flood this place with speculation. I'd rather we all actually try out the new systems and content before discussing it.

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Hell ya. You have to consider most people are not playing the game everyday and just reading the forums for info and to SLAM them. Hence the TROLLS .. ARG! What else do you expect at this time? A lot of post are redundent and just plain stupid. Mostly stupid people posting really really bad threads.

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Originally Posted by SHJcules

dunno why, but this community is starting to remind me of the Violet girl from Willy Wonka. She wants a golden goose, and she wants it noooowwww.

We got a time when to expect the patch, we're not even there yet, can't you just hold it a lil' longer? Why is info even so important at this point, we already flood this place with speculation. I'd rather we all actually try out the new systems and content before discussing it.

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That was Veruca, and yes. Gamers tend to be a giant group of Verucas. /nod

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Originally Posted by viion

Fail developers need to get sacked.




But when you see the affect of other developers being able to do it, even rehauling the entire game faster than SE can do 1 part, then you do know. SE suck.

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What game are you referring to?