Best cross class abilities for a Warrior?

I've been running with Flash, Provoke, Featherfoot, Convalescence and Second Wind.

Are these what most Warrior's use? I've heard some say Internal Release, but with it's nerf and with the new enmity modifiers, it seems like a waste. I guess Flash could be seen as a waste as well due to OP being even better now, but I like it because it's our only MP skill and it can be used while pacified. My Paladin is level 29 right now, and I plan to replace Second Wind with Awareness, for sure, since reducing the chance of being critically hit seems much better than a small 400 or so self heal.

So, Provoke, Featherfoot, Convalescence and Awareness? Are those the 4 that should be in every Warrior's arsenal? If so, is there a 5th, or is it basically personal preference over Flash or Internal Release?

BTW, before someone posts that awareness is awful, I heard from players in game that the Awareness heal bug was fixed.

I usually have Flash, Provoke, Convalescence, Featherfoot and Second Wind for dungeons. Replace Flash with Internal Release for bosses. Awareness has a bug that prevents heal on you from critting which is pretty bad considering my Coil healer is a Scholar speccing crit and determination. Second Wind is nice since I specced into Strength and plan to have some crafted accessories soon. Right now my Second Wind is about 650.

Provoke, Convalescence, Awareness, Internal Release, and Flash is what I use.

Featherfoot is ok in 4 mans but useless in raids, the boss will always hit you.

Flash helps conserve TP.

IMHO the heal from Second Wind is garbage.

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

Awareness has a bug...

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Not anymore.

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Originally Posted by Bixby

Not anymore.

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Can anyone confirm /provide links?

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Originally Posted by CarryingCasuals

Provoke, Convalescence, Awareness, Internal Release, and Flash is what I use.

Featherfoot is ok in 4 mans but useless in raids, the boss will always hit you.

Flash helps conserve TP.

IMHO the heal from Second Wind is garbage.

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Use with berserk and it can crit up to 1k. Better while wearing crafted acc with additional STR.

Amazing? No, but it's ok. And how much damage is something like Awareness going to prevent? It's somewhat useful (if the bug is indeed fixed) for small packs when you've got a lot of in coming auto-attacks. But my understanding is that all big attacks (like titan's table flip) can't crit, so it's much less effective vs. a boss since you've only got 1 incoming source of auto-attacks to worry about.

Internal Release isn't all that special after the nerf, either.

Awareness is a pretty bad cooldown.
It is generally not worth taking up.
Internal release is nice, though it wasn't amazing either.
Second wind fits nicely.

I think IR is slightly better for WAR since wrath stacks also increase crit%, but after nerf? Meh. I got pretty much the same set up, except I don't have provoke yet (bad tank, bad!) but will tonight. Which means I've got to decide whether to replace second wind or IR. I have SW macro'd with Thrill of Battle for a little extra bump, but it's not much of a heal outside of that. Probably replace IR, not sure yet, though.

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Originally Posted by Skull_Angel

Can anyone confirm /provide links?

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Patch notes.

The following issues have been addressed.
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"An issue wherein the gladiator action "Awareness" was nullifying critical heals."

(Note that it's STILL the worst "mitigation" cooldown PLDs have available, but at least it's actually occasionally worth casting now)

For the OP: Flash/Provoke/Featherfoot/Convalescence are definitely the "usuals", with Second Wind/Mantra/Internal Release/Haymaker as-needed.
TBH I'd usually just stick with Internal Release unless you think Mantra is going to make/break a raid for some reason...

Our cross class abilities are generally pretty bad, aside from Flash and Provoke. None of them make a terribly big difference to your tanking performance, so just pick whatever sounds good to you.

What from what I've seen, tanks tend to die from the crit autoattack after a Death Sentence / Mountain Buster. Not the DS/MB itself.

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

What from what I've seen, tanks tend to die from the crit autoattack after a Death Sentence / Mountain Buster. Not the DS/MB itself.

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Yup. In the time between taking a BIG DAMAGE hit and getting healed, you can get hit by an autoattack and/or a random instant-cast ability which takes the last bit of your HP away.

Ideally the healers will be precasting cures before the hit takes place so that you get topped up again pretty much instantly... but unfortunately you'll often not find yourself in "ideal" situations (Lag, Sudden need to dodge or rez someone, Random Derps, RL aggro, etc). That's why "eHP" is considered so good for tanks - you might not technically need all that health and mitigation in order to survive the hardest-hitting abilities in a fight, but the extra buffer gives your healers more time to react. It doesn't all have to come from the tank though - SCH shields and Stoneskin and Virus and Eye-for-an-Eye etc. all help. We lost virus rotations and Bard RoD spam, but the stacking damage debuff from WAR and PLD seems a pretty decent substitute post-patch.

Awareness is no longer bugged, so using it on the offchance of a mistimed Autoattack Crit doesn't do any real harm... but it's still pretty poor in terms of helpfulness. Not sure if I'd want to trade Mantra for it on Bosses (assuming you're willing to drop Internal Release for Mantra) and Haymaker would almost always be more useful on anything that isn't Slow-immune. In fact, even Second Wind (guaranteed light Off-GCD Heal at just the right time) might be better for those "Big hit + Crit Autoattack" situations.

I've been running Flash, Provoke, Convalescence, Second Wind, and Internal Release.

The reason I was given for running Internal Release was that it, coupled with Berserk, made for some very big numbers when you got lucky with the old version of Inner Beast (which returned triple the damage dealt as HP). Since Internal Release has a lower crit chance and Inner Beast doesn't heal as much, it's probably a less useful combo now. Not sure I'd trade it out for Featherfoot, since I've honestly never noticed a difference in my dodging with it on.

I have provoke, flash, Internal release, Featherfoot, Convalescence. I find awareness useless reducing crits is based on rng it doesn't nullify so no thanks, and we don't get the trait to make it last a bit longer. As for second wind, It is not really needed with the way war is now with static +heal on defiance. Inner beast and now actually using storm's path is more than enough besides we have thrill of battle. It's a healers job to heal anyways, 300-700~ HP from second wind wont do much in the end.

As for mantra, if you have convalescence seems kind of redundant for what it does.

I utilize Flash, Provoke, Featherfoot, Convalescence, and juggle between Haymaker and Second Wind. I prefer Haymaker simply because it is cheap, and on huge pulls, specifically in DF for farming Philo/Myth, after a TP dump it allows for some throughput while recovering some of that resource. TBH second wind is pretty bad, even when everything is blown to increase the healing from it, the cool down makes it a truly negligible in the long term.

I switch depending on what's most appropriate for what I'm about to do. Warrior is probably the only class with more than 5 useful cross-class skills.

Mantra and Awareness seem weak, but I definitely don't need Flash for any of the Extreme Primals or Twintania.

Provoke, Featherfoot and Convalescence are pretty much always on my bar. The other two slots are flexible and I use it on: Internal Release, Second Wind, Mantra, Awareness (in order of how frequent I use them).

Personally, I think it's BS that we have to cross class Provoke.

Every tank should learn a Taunt on their class, end of story. Make Marauder learn a skill called "Threaten" like in 1.0 and have it do the exact same thing as provoke.

It's stupid that warrior has to Cross Class a tanking standard ability, Especially with some other fights requiring tank swaps, PLD shouldn't get away with having an extra Cross Class slot over Warrior for something they NEED to perform their given function.

I will be the first to say I'm not 'THE BEST' War but I' e tanked Turn 1/2 and Ultima so I feel like my choices aren't the worst in the world.

Flash - good for CC'd enemies, when you're pacified sometimes on pull for stubborn enemies who refuse to stay in overpower.
Provoke - Very helpfull for tank swapping, also good if you need to get hate after a death (yours or main tanks)
Feather foot - when you dodge you take 0 damage. Basically 15% DR
Convalescence - more incoming heals
Inner Release - more DPS

I would use mantra instead of IR if I had it. I don't think I would use awareness instead of feather foot unless I know I wouldn't be tradin hate.

just my .02. I keep convalescence, internal release, featherfoot, second wind, and swap between flash and provoke depending on what content I'm running.

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Originally Posted by Maelwys

For the OP: Flash/Provoke/Featherfoot/Convalescence are definitely the "usuals", with Second Wind/Mantra/Internal Release/Haymaker as-needed.
TBH I'd usually just stick with Internal Release unless you think Mantra is going to make/break a raid for some reason...

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I don't really see any reason to have Flash on my bar any more, what with the new Overpower animation and Steel Cyclone. The only reason I used it before was because of t4 and needing to get snap aggro on the knight/soldiers. Now, I can just wait to the side and throw an Overpower to get everything I need. The whole "use while out of TP" thing never really held much water with me because, if I'm out of TP, I've already gotten so much aggro on the target that I can just sit around for the next minute and regen my TP back to full without any change of losing aggro; the Pacification issue has never existed for me because I always make sure to not be Pacified when something new is about to spawn (even if I have to cancel Berserk early).

Haymaker is another one of those attacks that I just don't understand anyone taking. Its damage is pathetic by WAR standards (only 170) and the Slow is both negligible and suffers from DR really hard so that you're not really getting much out of it. If it were off-GCD (even if the damage were nerfed to something like 50), it would be a good pick, but, as an on-GCD attack, I just don't see it as being worthwhile (esp since that means it slows down Wrath acquisition).

My loadout is Provoke (obvious), Convalescence (obvious again), Featherfoot (you don't use it for mitigating spike damage; that's what IB is for; you use it on CD to increase mean mitigation), Awareness (now that it's bugged, it's actually a good one to use when you're expecting to take a huge hit because it reduces the maximum amount of damage, which makes healing you more predictable and therefore easier), and Internal Release (10% crit with 25% uptime is still pretty damned good especially with the Unchained CD reduction so that you can use IR twice for every Unchained). I've debated swapping out Awareness for Mantra, but I figure that making healing me more predictable is worth more than increasing healing on the melee by 5%, even if it does end up providing a lower numerical benefit over time.

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Originally Posted by Kitru

I don't really see any reason to have Flash on my bar any more, what with the new Overpower animation and Steel Cyclone. The only reason I used it before was because of t4 and needing to get snap aggro on the knight/soldiers. Now, I can just wait to the side and throw an Overpower to get everything I need. The whole "use while out of TP" thing never really held much water with me because, if I'm out of TP, I've already gotten so much aggro on the target that I can just sit around for the next minute and regen my TP back to full without any change of losing aggro; the Pacification issue has never existed for me because I always make sure to not be Pacified when something new is about to spawn (even if I have to cancel Berserk early).

Haymaker is another one of those attacks that I just don't understand anyone taking. Its damage is pathetic by WAR standards (only 170) and the Slow is both negligible and suffers from DR really hard so that you're not really getting much out of it. If it were off-GCD (even if the damage were nerfed to something like 50), it would be a good pick, but, as an on-GCD attack, I just don't see it as being worthwhile (esp since that means it slows down Wrath acquisition).

My loadout is Provoke (obvious), Convalescence (obvious again), Featherfoot (you don't use it for mitigating spike damage; that's what IB is for; you use it on CD to increase mean mitigation), Awareness (now that it's bugged, it's actually a good one to use when you're expecting to take a huge hit because it reduces the maximum amount of damage, which makes healing you more predictable and therefore easier), and Internal Release (10% crit with 25% uptime is still pretty damned good especially with the Unchained CD reduction so that you can use IR twice for every Unchained). I've debated swapping out Awareness for Mantra, but I figure that making healing me more predictable is worth more than increasing healing on the melee by 5%, even if it does end up providing a lower numerical benefit over time.

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I use Flash during times when i'm TP starved, or more importantly, during the debuff that Berserk causes in being pacified for 5 seconds. It has it's uses....

what do you mean by even if you have to cancel berserk early?

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Originally Posted by TurboSol

what do you mean by even if you have to cancel berserk early?

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When a fight is about to get phase pushed while I have Berserk up with 5 secs or so on it, I'll turn off early so that when I have to engage (or reengage, like when the boss disappears and there's 5 secs or so of no target), the Pacification will be over (since I never expect or ask for an Esuna).

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Originally Posted by Kitru

When a fight is about to get phase pushed while I have Berserk up with 5 secs or so on it, I'll turn off early so that when I have to engage (or reengage, like when the boss disappears and there's 5 secs or so of no target), the Pacification will be over (since I never expect or ask for an Esuna).

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You can esuna the pacification? I need to heal WARs more often so I can pick up on little things like that.

The more you know. *

..I didn't know you could turn off berserk early.. hmmmmmmm....

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Originally Posted by TurboSol

..I didn't know you could turn off berserk early.. hmmmmmmm....

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You can end *any* buff early by right clicking on it. Gets really useful when dealing with pug healers that like to HoT you up when you're pulling or expecting adds since you can just turn it off right away. I'm not sure what the command for it is on console though.

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Originally Posted by Kitru

You can end *any* buff early by right clicking on it. Gets really useful when dealing with pug healers that like to HoT you up when you're pulling or expecting adds since you can just turn it off right away. I'm not sure what the command for it is on console though.

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Do you know if 14 has any sort of cancelaura effect you could put into a macro?

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Originally Posted by Sylari

Do you know if 14 has any sort of cancelaura effect you could put into a macro?

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As far as I know, there isn't one.

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Originally Posted by Zell

I use Flash during times when i'm TP starved, or more importantly, during the debuff that Berserk causes in being pacified for 5 seconds. It has it's uses....

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I find it easier to use on some pulls as well because of its larger aoe area. You can just run and flash without adjusting.