How Can I Make my Fairy act like it USED to? :-(

You know,

when it would follow me around, cast embrace when needed, but not the other spells until requested.

Is that too much to ask for? :'-(

Target an enemy with Obey. Sadly this is the only thing I have found that brings it back to being close to the way it was before 2.1.

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Originally Posted by MagusVandel

Target an enemy with Obey. Sadly this is the only thing I have found that brings it back to being close to the way it was before 2.1.

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But then I need to still

-tell it to follow me
-tell it to cast embrace

Somehow, it used to be smart enough to do those things on its own :(

Frankly, if I have to micro-manage everything my pet does, then why even have a pet?

It just feels like some extra spells I have that technically only work when this fairy has been summoned.

It feels much less like a team effort between me and Eos now :(

Eos will still cast embrace on her own while under the effects of obey when HP triggers her, like she did before.

Obey is fantastic. Works great with Eos.

What's annoying now is Selene. She'll properly autocast both of her buffs and alternate them now, but you can't manually tell her to use Embrace. If you set her to Obey to manually Embrace, then you need to manually do the buffs as well.

Oh well, just take it as one more thing to learn and master that makes the difference between a good Scholar and a great one.

Yea, I noticed this last night as well, seems like they broke the healing pets control and AI.. :(

I think for selene you can have her on obey then make macro with both spells and /wait 30 in between and then an echo to let u know when soon finished so u can cast again... havent worked out yet how to do that

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Originally Posted by Vortok

Obey is fantastic. Works great with Eos.

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Turn 4 was so ANNOYING!!

I didn't realize for a while why my commands didn't work, until I realized I had to keep resetting obey!!

Every time the enemy dies, off goes obey, and with the new enemies, I have to spend the first few seconds restting obey when I would rather be on the tank! :(

Eventually, figured it all (used obey on dreadnaughts cause they lived longest) and we got through it, but man - frustrating!!!

Also, during turn 1 - Eos keep drifting off in the distance for some reason >.>

Maybe because I used obey without heel, so it set place?

Why does obey set place? :(

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Originally Posted by Forever_Learning

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You dont have to KEEP pressing Obey on every new set of mobs. You press Obey once and it stays on Obey until it dies.

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Originally Posted by Karnage720

You dont have to KEEP pressing Obey on every new set of mobs. You press Obey once and it stays on Obey until it dies.

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Notice I am referring here to my experience in coil turn 4.

I also did Turn 4 on SCH yesterday, and my Obey didn't reset after the mob I targeted died. Like usual, I targeted one of the bugs at the beginning, pressed Obey, she stayed on Obey the whole fight. *shrug*

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Originally Posted by Lady_Malice

Eos will still cast embrace on her own while under the effects of obey when HP triggers her, like she did before.

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Incorrect. In order for Eos to free cast Embrace you have to target and enemy and click "obey" THEN you have to click "Steady". If you do not put here on Steady after pressing Obey she will do nothing until you tell her to.

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Originally Posted by Calyanare

I also did Turn 4 on SCH yesterday, and my Obey didn't reset after the mob I targeted died. Like usual, I targeted one of the bugs at the beginning, pressed Obey, she stayed on Obey the whole fight. *shrug*

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If you press steady after you press obey, Eos will free cast Embrace only until she either dies or you resummon her.

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Originally Posted by Rhantis

Incorrect. In order for Eos to free cast Embrace you have to target and enemy and click "obey" THEN you have to click "Steady". If you do not put here on Steady after pressing Obey she will do nothing until you tell her to.

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then how the heck do you initiate full manual control? i was under the impression that target mob-->obey-->GUARD was only auto cast embrace, and that target mob-->obey--> steady was full manual control and that she wouldn't cast embrace. i've heard a million different things by now. is there any way to do what i'm describing?

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Originally Posted by jumpypuppet

then how the heck do you initiate full manual control? i was under the impression that target mob-->obey-->GUARD was only auto cast embrace, and that target mob-->obey--> steady was full manual control and that she wouldn't cast embrace. i've heard a million different things by now. is there any way to do what i'm describing?

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Steady before the fight so they won't use their buffs once you aggro. Target a mob, press Obey. They will stay on obey until they die, and they will automaticly cast embrace on people as usual, and you can use your buffs when you need them to, and using one will not trigger them to go auto-retard and use the rest of the buffs un-necessarily.

All you have to do is hit obey then heel and it will follow you and focus on healing and you can trigger the other moves on your own.

Random but do you consider Scholar to be a healer, dps or both?

In the case of both you aren't doing anything well, then.

Seems to me that that Eos is slower now to maybe compensate for the lustrate buff(or something?) WHM are sad about the nerd of medica 2. Tanks are bored because enmity is a snorefest, summoners are still crying about thunder and the list goes on....

Awesome patch!

I'm not main Scholar, but I've figured out this way, I've tested it and it seems pretty effective. Just use this macro on an ENEMY right after you summon Eos (or you move to a new dungeon area)

Macro name: Obey+Heel+Steady

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/micon Steady pet Eos
/pac Obey <t>
/wait 0.5
/pac Heel <me>
/wait 0.5
/pac Steady <me>
/echo Obey+Heel+Steady done

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Obey used on ENEMY will have pet follow orders, Heel will make it follow you again, Steady will make it heal more and earlier. Fun fact, Steady doesn't replace Obey, I'm still able to issue orders if I use Steady after I've used Obey on an enemy.
To turn it to auto-mode again use Sic on a ENEMY (default option).

I think this is going to be fixed and this is all just a big error. The fact you have to use Obey on an enemy is just stupid and makes no sense, and also the pet stops following you while in Obey.. just why? And why Steady doesn't replace Obey? I can't believe we have to use a macro everytime now, but well, that's a workaround to his stupid way they changed it.

I don't see any use for steady at all any more, I've not noticed any increased healing speed or anything in that stance. Obey does what steady used to do, you just need to target a mob if you resummon. Obey > Heel. Obey stays on even if you change zone/dungeon. I posted a simple macro in the sch macros thread that you can use to replace your heel hotkey.

/pac Obey <t>
/pac Obey <tt>
/pac Obey <focus>
/wait 1
/pac Heel

Just need to remember to hit it if she dies and you resummon. Same button used to Heel her after placing/whatever.
Certainly agree, obey should be usable without an enemy target.

Can't do that. Pet is in free stance. . .

maybe it's just my impression, but steady (that is basically the same as companion's "healing stance") makes your pet focus on heals at higher HP %, and also do Embrace without you ordering it (in Obey it does nothing, right? not even Embrace)

I had
/pac Obey <t>
/pac Obey <tt>
/pac Obey <focus>

before too
but then i noticed that if i happen to use it on the wrong target then it becomes all messed up.

having only /pac Obey <t> gives me way more control over it.

and /wait 1 is too long. 0.5 is enough

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Originally Posted by Tano

maybe it's just my impression, but steady (that is basically the same as companion's "healing stance") makes your pet focus on heals at higher HP %, and also do Embrace without you ordering it (in Obey it does nothing, right? not even Embrace)

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Obey = fairy auto casts embrace + you have full manual control.
Steady (after first summoning) = fairy auto casts embrace, but you have no control over her at all.
Steady (after obey/sic) = same as Obey

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Originally Posted by Tano

I had
/pac Obey <t>
/pac Obey <tt>
/pac Obey <focus>

before too
but then i noticed that if i happen to use it on the wrong target then it becomes all messed up.

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That uses obey on your current target, if it is an acceptable target, if not it will try your targets target, and if neither of those find a viable target, it will try for your focus target. Generally, if an enemy is not found in 1 of those 3 instances, then there are no enemies nearby or you are out of combat.

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Originally Posted by Tano

having only /pac Obey <t> gives me way more control over it.

and /wait 1 is too long. 0.5 is enough

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Having only <t> means you have to switch to a mob to gain manual control, instead of keeping the tank(s) targeted.
0.5 is fine sure. The only time I heel her is when everything is dead and we are moving to next area, so 1 sec isn't a big deal.

if <tt> targets a player or you happen to have a wrong focused target then the macro goes to waste.
i've used it and it's better to only have <t> and use it on a mob when you have the chance. not a problem to target an enemy once.

obout obey+steady, i'll test, but i don't think it's the same as obey only since steady is an healer stance.

also in 2.0 the pet used to heal more and sooner with steady active.

<tt> will only target a player if you have a player highlighted who is targetting another player (in this case a <t> wouldn't go off either), or a monster targeted (in this case the <t> will go off first). If neither of those find a target, then it will try your focus target. As I said. If none of those finds a viable target to Obey on, you are out of combat anyway. It does <t> first, the next 2 lines are fail safes incase the target you have highlighted is not viable.

Dropping your main heal target to gain manual control is fine in content that doesn't matter, but in heavy healing fights, it can cost you dearly. It's not worth risking it when you can just add an extra 2 lines to your macro.

Obey is "Attack but refrain from using special moves until ordered too".
The fairy has no "Attack" so it is exactly the same as steady (as I said, she comes with a messed up steady that you need to take her out of to gain manual control)
Steady is "Refrain from attacking until ordered to do so". Same as Obey as they have no attack.

I've been playing scholar only for ~8 weeks before 2.1 and since 2.1 hit, they are exactly the same. The difference before/after the patch is: Prior to 2.1 the fairy would blow certain cooldowns in Obey (that is fixed now). They heal at exactly the same rate in either stance. I'm playing with it right now.

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Originally Posted by Forever_Learning

Notice I am referring here to my experience in coil turn 4.

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Notice how pet controls have nothing to do with a fight. In t4 once you target any mob in the first wave, regardless if fight started or not, and press obey on it, the pet will stay on obey forever until it dies. Idk why everyone is complaining, the new way to control pets is awesome. Obey+ heel and the fairy only casts embrace on her own and nothing else plus you get full control.

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Originally Posted by Forever_Learning

Notice I am referring here to my experience in coil turn 4.

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I done T4 last night, I never had to keep pressing Obey when something got killed :/.

Why the hell is my two fairies casting Embrace on auto fire while in freakn steady stance? Can they not fix anythign without breaking something else?

A macro I picked up from someone else that's a little superior (IMO) to the macros here for getting faery into Obey is...

/tenemy
/pac obey <t>
/wait 1
/pac heel <me>

This will automatically target any enemy in range and set the pet up correctly. The only time it won't work is if there are no enemies around.

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Originally Posted by Forever_Learning

Notice I am referring here to my experience in coil turn 4.

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That's really strange...seems like a coil bug. I ran hauke manor HM and copperbell HM yesterday and once I put Selene on obey she stays that way unless - she dies and you have to resummon her. So if your fairy dies and you summon her again, you MUST set her to obey again. As long as she's alive from the time you summon her, target enemy -> hit obey, all she should be doing is Embrace and nothing else. This applies to both fairies.

Even though having to target an enemy to set the faery into Obey is really clunky and frankly stupid, I like the rest of the faery changes. I can FINALLY reliably have a Whispering Dawn macro, which is what I always wanted. Selene's automatically cycling through the hastes is just an added bonus. Also, I guess I can switch everything to Mouseover targeting now that the faeries finally work that way.

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

That's really strange...seems like a coil bug. I ran hauke manor HM and copperbell HM yesterday and once I put Selene on obey she stays that way unless - she dies and you have to resummon her. So if your fairy dies and you summon her again, you MUST set her to obey again. As long as she's alive from the time you summon her, target enemy -> hit obey, all she should be doing is Embrace and nothing else. This applies to both fairies.

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I've also realized since my post that I had a macro written incorrectly, so I may have confused it with that.

LOVE the obey macros you guys have posted!!!

So strange, however, the idea of pressing steady after obey - I mean, shouldn't those actually be different stances?

Logically speaking, shouldn't it be:

Sic = fairy does what it wants
Obey = fairy follows caster commands
Steady = fairy does nothing

At any rate, I do the obey + heel combo and that works fine.

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Originally Posted by Forever_Learning

I've also realized since my p! , that I had a macro written incorrectly, so I may have confused it with that.

LOVE the obey macros you guys have posted!!!
So strange, however, the idea of pressing steady after obey - I mean, shouldn't those actually be different stances?

Logically speaking, shouldn't it be:

Sic = fairy does what it wants
Obey = fairy follows caster commands
Steady = fairy does nothing

At any rate, I do the obey + heel combo and that works fine.

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Glad you were able to be helped out! New pet controls are amazing. Yea we gotta target a mob in the beginning but meh, apart from that, it works really well.

Greetings,

Pet behavior prior to 2.1 that allowed you to give orders to your pet while they were in Sic mode was a bug. We realize that the fix may feel like an inconvenience due to the changing of the way it works, but we appreciate your understanding.

The development team does, however, understand that not being able to switch to Obey when there are no enemies is inconvenient, and they’ve already begun to look into whether or not they can make adjustments to this. While I can’t make any promises, they would like to make adjustments as best as they can.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

Pet behavior prior to 2.1 that allowed you to give orders to your pet while they were in Sic mode was a bug. We realize that the fix may feel like an inconvenience due to the changing of the way it works, but we appreciate your understanding.

The development team does, however, understand that not being able to switch to Obey when there are no enemies is inconvenient, and they’ve already begun to look into whether or not they can make adjustments to this. While I can’t make any promises, they would like to make adjustments as best as they can.

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Along those lines, having to ALSO press heel after casting obey is an added annoyance.

I don't understand why pressing obey should simultaneously tell the fairy to remain in that position.

At any rate, glad the team is looking into possible improvements.

Just making obey the default setting when we summon our fairy would be a good start.

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Originally Posted by Camate

The development team does, however, understand that not being able to switch to Obey when there are no enemies is inconvenient, and they’ve already begun to look into whether or not they can make adjustments to this. While I can’t make any promises, they would like to make adjustments as best as they can.

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Hallelujah :]

I don't get why we have all this behavior crap. Why not have Active and Passive mode while allowing us to individually toggle which spells we want to use manually or leave to the AI discretion?

Would it be possible to put an icon in the pet's status bar so it is easier to know if they are in Sic or Obey?

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

Pet behavior prior to 2.1 that allowed you to give orders to your pet while they were in Sic mode was a bug. We realize that the fix may feel like an inconvenience due to the changing of the way it works, but we appreciate your understanding.

The development team does, however, understand that not being able to switch to Obey when there are no enemies is inconvenient, and they’ve already begun to look into whether or not they can make adjustments to this. While I can’t make any promises, they would like to make adjustments as best as they can.

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Why is it hard to make Obey work on a friendly target? so sch can control their fairies the same way smn do? -.-

with the status we had befor the update we could tell our pet when we need it bhut like with my fairy if its on obey now he wont do party heal with out i say it and it realy isnt like it was the option where realy amazing and fun bhut now we need to it with hand r just let it auto heal while we cant tell him how r wat we want it to do cant you try to put these 2 parts again in a 3th way ?

pets should work like they do in world of warcraft. right click to set their skills to automatic and left click to force her to do what i want !!!

@Artair

thank you for this! this puts it in words that a non-frequent macro user can understand. I'm using this now and it's working fine.