Just want everyone else's thoughts on this, do you think THM is better than BLM in PvP? Or Some Jobs better than Classes?
I've been testing both Black Mage and THM in pvp and I've been finding THM to be far more effective.
What I have been doing is, at the start of the fight sleep any DPS I see, if I get hit I stack up Feather foot, keen Fury, and ManaWard to avoid dmg/decrease dmg.
I've been saving surecast mainly for blizzard 2, so I can Bind Targets in place that try to hit me, and sleep when I need it, and when I attack I use Aero first to add DoT and then Scathe. Allowing me to kite and move (Sprint and Kite), when many enemies are asleep or I have time to attack I do my long casting spells (fire-fire3 etc)
When I'm at half HP I use Second Wind or SwiftCast ->StoneSkin.
(I used to use Convalescence and Secondwind but found that the two do not stack, however Convalescence and Cure should help with a little boost to self healing or Party mate healing when the healer is busy)
As Black mage I find My spells get interrupted a lot more, and when I get hit spell interruption is very high, with Aero and then Scathe it increases my damage.
Mm I tried a few pvp fights as BLM and I found it really hard. Even if I sleep targets some use Purity so they get out of sleep easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maero
My second problem was moving targets, sometimes when you focus on something they will either hide behind obstacles to get out of your FoV, or run around and cause
your spell to interrupt.
I can run around and Scathe as a BLM as well however, which might be stronger than a THM scathe which is why I use Aero first and Scathe while Aero DOT is ineffect.
Main problem I found with BLM however, was when enemies hit you, your spells interrupt unless you use surecast bliz or surecast sleep to get out of the attack and get some distance with sprint.
but if surecast is on cooldown your a sitting duck. As THM I mainly use my cross skills to help out when surecast is on cooldown. I could easily Swiftcast a fire3 or fire or Thunder 3 or any of those spells as well
but I find (maybe its just me) that Swiftcast is better used defensively rather than offensively
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Originally Posted by Reeth
It was hard to compare in the heat of the moment, but I believe Aero helps with the Scathe DMG I lose by being THM instead of black mage by adding a helpful DoT effect.
Oh I had no idea!Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkshneider
If I stack that with Raging Strikes it should boost my Kite Power a lot.
Blood for Blood: Increases damage dealt by 10% and damage suffered by 25%.
Raging Strikes: Increases attack power by 20%.
Would be a good move for taking down a healer fast, all i would need is a quick Lethargy (Inflicts target with Slow and Heavy +20%.)
Stack Blood for blood/Raging Strikes and then Aero, Scathe them down.
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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl
Oh, I thought it effected my Second wind healing as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bixby
I didn't really notice while I was fighting, i'll remove it from the OP
I also thought about it for a while, and decided to try it out after a few pvp fights as black mage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orophin
The Cross skills really help you survive longer in a fight.
I wonder if becoming a GLD instead of PLD would make you more of a DPS than Tank.
for GLD I can see the below skills being useful, I dont main GLD or PLD though so it would be easier for someone that mains the job/class to decide.
Straight Shot- Damage and Crit Rate +10%. Melee Only.
Raging Strikes- Damage + 20% (including DoT) ALL CLASSES
Venomous Bite- Powerful DoT with short duration. Melee Only.
Feint- Damage + Slow. All Melee.
Invigorate- Restores 300 TP. ALL CLASSES.
Blood For Blood- 20% dmg buff but with 25% Dmg Gained. ALL CLASSES.
Internal Release- Crit Rate + 20%. ALL CLASSES.
I found a helpful guide here
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...2/blog/140116/
Is THM better than BLM in PvP?
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12-19-2013, 03:10 AMVejjiegirlAre Classes(sometimes) Better than Job's in PvP?
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12-19-2013, 03:16 AMEvokerKeii
Haha this is rich. I can't wait to see where this goes.
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12-19-2013, 03:19 AMVejjiegirl(>.<) did I do something wrong?Quote:
Originally Posted by EvokerKeii
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12-19-2013, 03:20 AMMaero
Well have not tried PVP yet but is it because your cross class skills as thm?
I would venture to say Blm is far better, scathe is rather useless even as BLM
Also curious why Aero? You would be better off with thunder 2 i would think (thundercloud is just awesome)
Again i have not tried PVP so i may not be accurate in my statement
I did however like cure rather then what we get as blm -
12-19-2013, 03:20 AMReeth
Huh, I suppose playing a class over your job would give you more cross class toys to play with. How's the damage you do to players in comparison to the BLM?
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12-19-2013, 03:22 AMDorinScathe is the best offensive skill a BLM has in PvP. The only offensive skill that can't be interrupted, and can be casted while sprinting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maero
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12-19-2013, 03:42 AMEvokerKeiiNo it's nothing you did.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl
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12-19-2013, 03:46 AMKyteStonesSeems you found loopholes to make PvP more ridiculous. You broke the game hahaQuote:
Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl
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12-19-2013, 03:49 AMRi_ri
I'm so trying this when I get in the mood (and feel like crafting the PvP set... ugh)
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12-19-2013, 03:54 AMDarkshneider
you do get blood for blood as thm.and yes.it works on your spells
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12-19-2013, 03:54 AMEvokerKeii
It's funny because this game was designed in such a way that you are to play exactly as Squeenix wants and must not deviate from that path. Once you have access to a job you must never return to the base class.
Now you've found, if it's true and players will definitely find out, what could be a huge disruption to that design.
It's going to be fun to sit back and watch this unfold.
Will players abuse this? Will it become better to use the base class than the job 'advancement'? Will Squeenix allow this? Will they frantically try to fix it? How? -
12-19-2013, 03:56 AMDaenerys_Sedai
I had a similar thought in terms of taking CNJ > WHM. I'd take survivability over MND potency in PvP
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12-19-2013, 04:16 AMVejjiegirl
Some other useful Cross skills I've found for THM:
Foresight- Def + 20% Buff.
Bloodbath- All Attacks have Drain effect.
Mercy Stroke- High-Damage move that heals on a kill.
Internal Release- Crit Rate + 20%
Awareness- Decreases odds of suffering a crit 25%.
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12-19-2013, 04:32 AMBixbyConvalescence doesn't affect Second Wind. It's only good for healing magic. The tooltip is misleading.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl
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12-19-2013, 04:34 AMVejjiegirlOh, I thought it effected my Second wind healing as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bixby
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12-19-2013, 04:37 AMOrophin
I speculated quite a while ago that classes would have some utility in PvP. I'm waiting to see if that holds true. The PvP gear allows both class and job so it would be interesting to see as time goes by what kind of group compositions are seen.
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12-19-2013, 04:50 AMVejjiegirlI also thought about it for a while, and decided to try it out after a few pvp fights as black mage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Orophin
The Cross skills really help you survive longer in a fight.
I wonder if becoming a GLD instead of PLD would make you more of a DPS than Tank.
for GLD I can see the below skills being useful, I dont main GLD or PLD though so it would be easier for someone that mains the job/class to decide.
Straight Shot- Damage and Crit Rate +10%. Melee Only.
Raging Strikes- Damage + 20% (including DoT) ALL CLASSES
Venomous Bite- Powerful DoT with short duration. Melee Only.
Feint- Damage + Slow. All Melee.
Invigorate- Restores 300 TP. ALL CLASSES.
Blood For Blood- 20% dmg buff but with 25% Dmg Gained. ALL CLASSES.
Internal Release- Crit Rate + 20%. ALL CLASSES.
I found a helpful guide here
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...2/blog/140116/
Also Changed the Topic Title. -
12-19-2013, 05:04 AMPhageLock
This is awesome, I'm going to have to explore this further. Totally forgot about this.
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12-19-2013, 05:08 AMParodine
I've seen quite a few Marauders for this reason. If cross-class skills promote survivability for healers better and damaging dealing for everyone else, definitely go for it.
Because of how awesome the fairy can be and with SMN I can get Fester, I don't see Arcanist as better though. -
12-19-2013, 05:28 AMFelisWhy would SE not allow it?Quote:
Originally Posted by EvokerKeii
Until now it was only the community who said that a class is useless after the job is unlocked, not SE. -
12-19-2013, 05:59 AMBluejay
I have been soloing as base classes for along time... particularly Jobs like Bard where most of the additional abilities are useless if you are soloing. Cross class skills significantly increase your survivability when soloing. I even FATE with base classes because you can never rely on anyone healing you. I wouldn't be surprised at all if base classes prove to be superior to jobs in PvP where the added flexibility might make up for the few job specific skills you get.
Originally, the description for Jobs on the web site actually stated they were designed for group usage and classes were oriented to soloing, so I don't think this concept is that far outside of SE's design.
EDIT: The web site still says this... "The foremost appeal of jobs is the unparalleled degree of specialization they offer. Their potential is best realized in party situations, where having well-defined roles is the key to success. There can be no doubt that jobs shine the brightest in the company of others."
http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/pr/game/#!/jobs