ADD REPAIR VENDORS TO CRYSTAL TOWER!!!

So, was pleased with the challenge tower presented for about the first two fights yesterday. By the time we made it to the North wing two of our alliances had people with destroyed gear totally gimping the rest of the alliance and causing a great deal of frustration. By the time we made it to King Behemoth there were a hand full of people with broke ass gear.... I ran to the bathroom after what would be the last attempt only to return 30 seconds later to see that there were 6 people left in the instance and that everyone had left.... What a great waste of over an hour when in truth I don't even need gear from in there. Why would the concept of adding a repair vendor at the beginning of the instance be so hard to grasp. SE if you are reading this please acknowledge it by doing something and put a simple mender inside Crystal Tower as I am sure in the next few days there will be more people running into the same problem.

It's so hard to repair before you go in.....Quit whining

Go troll the Balmung forums, if you can't leave something constructive.

What % on the gear did they have when they entered?

Unsure as to the % but they clearly didn't repair before hand. Pair that with the apparent increased degredation on gear since the patch which seemed to slip thru the patch notes and it was enough to break the raid by King Behemoth with 25 minutes still on the clock.

I hate to bring WoW into the conversation but when you look at when they introduced raid finder content and Dragon Soul into the equation, right after the first boss there's a big central area that branches off in the different directions with a bunch of different vendors (including a repair guy), I just hope the developers take notice and add something similar to Crystal Tower, would totally alleviate this issue ever showing up.

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Originally Posted by ReviiLagoon

It's so hard to repair before you go in.....Quit whining

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This this this this ^^ Oh and This.. Seriously, people need to think a bit and check their gear before signing up for dungeons/raids

Level your crafting.

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Originally Posted by Aaron_T

Level your crafting.

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Still doesn't fix the fact you can't repair in a dungeon since you can't job change. Doubt you could repair even if you can change jobs. Let alone repair others gear as you can't trade while in an instance.

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Originally Posted by Aaron_T

Level your crafting.

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You can't repair in dungeons can you?

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Originally Posted by ReviiLagoon

It's so hard to repair before you go in.....Quit whining

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As blunt and rude as this is, it's pretty much the only thing to say. I think the party should've left if their gear was anything under 70% and then re-queue'd rather than wasting all that time then to leave.

It happened to me when I was doing the story the first time over. I was on Praetorium and by Gaius my gear was broke, I was pillaging scrap pieces from my armory but thankfully as a healer no real damage was done, we made it all in the end.
Lesson learnt that day to repair if I expect a long instance.

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Originally Posted by necrosis

I do hate it.

But what really infuriates me is the fact that YOUR gear takes damage if OTHER PEOPLE in your party are attacking things.

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Wait, what? Really? That's messed up. O_o

learn to organize?

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Originally Posted by ZohnoReecho

learn to organize?

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Well if only I could teach people to repair before they enter and then cause the rest of the groups to have to suffer carrying they're dead weight I should get an achievement for that, it wasn't my gear in question... This is why they need a mender in there. The quest leading up to the tower says your part of an expedition to investigate the tower, what's an expedition without logistics, supplies, etc.

Having a vendor to repair at the beginning of a raid in a game with gear degradation is common sense, but the game lacks common sense. It's pretty hilarious people try to defend this kind of stuff. Most games also have some ability to summon a portable repair guy just in case the devs did forget to include one.

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Originally Posted by Sedant

Go troll the Balmung forums, if you can't leave something constructive.

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She was being constructive - It's very easy to Repair before you go into a dungeon.

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Originally Posted by Astarica

Having a vendor to repair at the beginning of a raid in a game with gear degradation is common sense, but the game lacks common sense. It's pretty hilarious people try to defend this kind of stuff. Most games also have some ability to summon a portable repair guy just in case the devs did forget to include one.

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You have 2 options:

1. Repair it yourself (You can do that before you hit the Duty Finder.)
2. Speak with a mender NPC..which is in every town and somewhere near a sanctuary, as well as most camps.

You do know you hit the Duty Finder anywhere..right? If you're worried about durability, park yourself next to a repair NPC..Duty finder from there.

So there's no defending..except for the people defending those who refuse to organize or make preparations - You really should be able to take care of what you need without the game doing it for you every step of the way, but then again, this is the generation where some that says if a game needs an instruction manual of any kind it's horribly designed.

I wouldn't mind a repair NPC in dungeons (make the dungeon NPC cost triple, and only repair up to halfway, or something), particularly CT because you're stuck with at least 16 DF randoms (half of which are PROBABLY going to be braindead) no matter what, because I've had groups before where people went in with poorly maintained gear, it broke halfway through the dungeon, and they continued on with all broken gear (as good as being naked) being a burden on the party.

Am I supposed to drop party halfway through and eat a 30 minute debuff, or attempt to carry one or more people who're playing with essentially no gear equipped?

Stiltzkin.

That is all and it would be lore friendly.

I love how white knights always turn issues where FF14 is the only game that got it wrong into a 'entitlement generation' issue. The gear repair issue is SOLVED in MMORPG. You either have a vendor at the start of the instance, or you allow people to summon a repair vendor. Most games have both. FF14 is the only MMORPG I can think of in the last 5 years that has neither with gear damage. This is a problem in FF14 because it failed to do something every other MMORPG succeeded. It is not the player that's supposed to change his way to make up for amateur dev mistakes.

Then again I guess wanting item links would be entitlement too, and you can just alt-tab to another site.

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Originally Posted by Astarica

I love how white knights always turn issues where FF14 is the only game that got it wrong into a 'entitlement generation' issue. The gear repair issue is SOLVED in MMORPG. You either have a vendor at the start of the instance, or you allow people to summon a repair vendor. Most games have both. FF14 is the only MMORPG I can think of in the last 5 years that has neither with gear damage. This is a problem in FF14 because it failed to do something every other MMORPG succeeded. It is not the player that's supposed to change his way to make up for amateur dev mistakes.

Then again I guess wanting item links would be entitlement too, and you can just alt-tab to another site.

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It's probably because SE overestimated their playerbase and figured people would do the logical thing.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

It's probably because SE overestimated their playerbase and figured people would do the logical thing.

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Sure, but that still doesn't change the fact that they're the only MMORPG in the last 5 years that can't figure this out.

I'm guessing originally they want some kind of player interaction so the repair bot would be the guy who has level 50 in every crafting skill and you'd huddle around that guy while he gets out his swiss army knife to repair everyone's gear. Sure that'd be stupidly tedious but I can see that as a twisted way to encourage people to have DoH classes leveled and community binding. Except, of course, that you can't actually repair your or anyone else's gear while inside an instance because you can't change jobs.

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Originally Posted by Astarica

Sure, but that still doesn't change the fact that they're the only MMORPG in the last 5 years that can't figure this out.

I'm guessing originally they want some kind of player interaction so the repair bot would be the guy who has level 50 in every crafting skill and you'd huddle around that guy while he gets out his swiss army knife to repair everyone's gear. Sure that'd be stupidly tedious but I can see that as a twisted way to encourage people to have DoH classes leveled and community binding. Except, of course, that you can't actually repair your or anyone else's gear while inside an instance because you can't change jobs.

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The thing is, you could actually repair yourself and other people's stuff in FFXIV 1.23 even while inside of dungeons, so..yeah the system was there but you really only have people who agreed to a "Complete overhaul of every system" to blame. They had quite a lot of good mechanics going in 1.23 that only needed optimization.

i dont care what other games do.. gear damage is supposed to encourage you to not die. If you were sensible enough to repair your gear before you went into a dungeon, and before you finish, all your gear is broken, its time to leave anyway. it just sucks that all these other games are removing any kind of sense of responsibility from players. your ONE job before entering a raid is to check your gear, and i guess even THAT is too much to ask of people. Whats the point of even having a gear damaging system if you put repair vendors everywhere, including dungeons?

Actually the point of having gear damage is because WoW did it and everyone copied from WoW, and if you're going to copy from WoW you should copy the portable repair guys + repair vendors everywhere.

I'd argue that gear damage is pretty much pointless and everyone is stupid for copying from WoW, but if you're going to copy from WoW then you have to follow through on the whole copying thing.

not sure why everyone thinks WoW was the first to do everything. and just because WoW puts their players in diapers and does everything for them doesnt mean that everyone else should. just be a damn adult and check your gear before you go into a raid. you wouldnt go to work without making sure your pants arent wrinkly would you? and like i said, if you have high durability on your items and they still break, why would you want to repair and keep throwing bodies at stuff with them? its bad enough that all these games keep going in a WoW direction, but then you get the WoW people that want the rest of it to be WoW too.. well im happy to let you know that WoW is still accepting applications