pld vrs warrior

so who here thinks that pld is going to be replaced by warriors for endgame content? i personally think pld will still be the best tank for endgame and my friend being a warrior in full allagan set feels teh same way as well. although he is sticking with warrior since we think warriors going to be more beneficial to a pld and the party instead of just pld duo. what you guys think

Using 2 paladins over PLD/WAR will never be viable, if not only because your LB builds more slowly but you lose out on the DMG debuff warrior now provides.

As far as WAR vs PLD, I think an average/above average PLD will be more viable than WAR, but a BiS WAR will outtank a BiS PLD.

what do u mean a bis whats bis stands for? im not trolling either dont know what bis stands for

Don't want to be that guy. But another one of these...?

i believe its "Best In Slot"

sorry just waiting for the maintenance to be done. well if warriors do become better then it is then before i hope we wont get anymore warrior qq that they are so weak

Yeah it stands for BiS.

Again, it depends on content. 4-man/solo-tank 8-man will depend on the tank's gear, but for 2 tank content i believe PLD as MT and WAR as OT will be the best build, with WAR popping in and out of Defiance when needed.

in 4 man (or single tank) content, I believe it will be easier for a similarly geared Paladin to tank, than for a Warrior. However I believe a Warrior will be able to accomplish the same tasks as well (or better?) it will just be harder. There is more to watch for with Warriors as far as resource management.

in 8 man (dual tank) content, I believe that Warrior & Paladin will be a stronger combo than 2x Paladin is currently. I also feel that 2x Warrior would be a bad choice for most content as the cooldowns to maintain debuffs (damage / resistance) will not take most of the secondary players time, and the primary will not need to be maintaining 100% up time in agro-combo.

That being the case, I believe that Paladin will be better in the OT (off tank) roll when running War/Pld. Paladin brings more to a support tank role than Warrior does. I would also prefer my secondary tank to have better short duration, stronger mitigation to allow for the party to flex around having lost a player, again paladin has more to offer here.

Pld: Maintaining debuffs like Flash & Str Down, while helping support the MT with Stoneskin (and rebuilding MP with Riot Blade)
War: applying damage down / Slashing resist down debuffs

anyone got timer on SP debuff? Is Se debuff the same or was it increased (I hope)

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Originally Posted by TaalAzura

Using 2 paladins over PLD/WAR will never be viable, if not only because your LB builds more slowly but you lose out on the DMG debuff warrior now provides.

As far as WAR vs PLD, I think an average/above average PLD will be more viable than WAR, but a BiS WAR will outtank a BiS PLD.

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As opposed to the DMG debuff PLD has always provided?

PLD always apply their damage debuff with their enmity combo, so having a PLD main tank makes so much more sense. Having the war OT, you can maintain the Slash Debuff and Damage Debuff without having to worry about using BB combo to hold hate.

well as far as ive learned while tanking/playing everyone i know agree that the PLD is easier to play than the War and that is was purposefully build as such.

also i do believe that WARs will be more viable now in endgame content as of 2.1

I dont think though that WARs will be replacing the PLD any time soon, and this patch pretty much just evens the 2 classes out. and there will be alot more PLD/WAR combos in the endgame now than before. but well even before the patch at least tun 1-4 wasnt really that much of a problem as a WAR,

still def a nice combo now as for pvp i got my money on pld vrs a warrior hehehe

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Originally Posted by Giantbane

As opposed to the DMG debuff PLD has always provided?

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They stack so...what is your point?

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Originally Posted by Davkis

sorry just waiting for the maintenance to be done. well if warriors do become better then it is then before i hope we wont get anymore warrior qq that they are so weak

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Have you played warrior? Seems like you just want to kill some time and made a thread. While I don't always agreed with how people expressed themselves about in this case the WAR job, I do think it was justified.

Funny thing now that PLD's started their 'qq' because warrior got buffed. I have yet to see an MMO where the PVE community applauds buffs for their fellow raiders..

who was qqing atleast i wasnt. my made that statement bout qqing warriors cause now atleast if they do die they cant qq anymore cause they have no more excuses. and i have played warrior i don't like it. i prefer pld tanking way compared to warrior. also i did state my friend owns a warrior and he tells me that pld will still be best for main tank even with the buffs.

Yes, that has been said for over 100 times now, hence 'another one of these'. xD

I main both. I also believe PLD will be the tank in most cases. However, the gap has been closed by a very large margin which is good!

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Originally Posted by Puresin

anyone got timer on SP debuff? Is Se debuff the same or was it increased (I hope)

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It's 20 seconds and it's insane.