Healing Paladin vs Warrior

I'm sure I'm not the only WHM in here that gets in a dungeon and sees that their Tank is a Warrior and immediately lets out a frustrated sigh. I have no trouble healing Paladins but Warrior sometimes can be healed just as easily, or are absolutely stubborn and seem to shrug off my heals. I have started leveling MRD to eventually become WAR and better understand for myself, but maybe there are healers out there that can help me. Is there a different technique to heal Warriors? Or is there something on their end that they can do in order to increase my healing potency? Some sort of skill or something they should have activated?

It has to do with our Stacks of wrath, and our notable skill, Inner Beast,
But as of 2.1, forget everything, the WAR buff accompanies both of these to better accomodate healers.

Yes, I also experienced this when I roll as a WHM. As a WHM, your ohshtbtn is kinda limited, which is Benediction. Divine Seal can manage a bit, but after that the WAR will burn out their hp again. Then switch to Presence of Mind for a faster cast speed. Usually I just switch between these spells one by one. Coordinate with the WAR to pop some CDs if the fight is going to take a bit long, because you cannot afford to burn out your mp fast.

(Unrelated side note: SCH is a better warrior healer imo, because lustrate can help much to match heal WAR huge hp)

Well, WAR will need to adjust their play style with the new adjustment, so give them our support as a healer!

I use Divine Seal ALOT. Some people will tell me I'm depending on it but I'm not. It doesn't cost to use it and doesn't take long to recharge so I'd be a fool to not take advantage of it. I honestly never use Presence of Mind but its mostly due to the fact that I am on a PS3 and its difficult to switch hotbars. Switching causes a lot of fatal mistakes. This is what I pretty much roll with right now.

Divine Seal
Limit Break (traded out with Cleric Stance in instances I know i'll use holy but not LB)
Holy (I probably could afford to move this to another hotbar)
Medica

Sprint (to help dodge attacks)
Regen
Stoneskin
Shroud of Saints

Esuna
Raise
Benediction
Repose

Cure II
Cure
Medica II
Swiftcast

Its all arranged in a way that I can comfortably and smoothly transition to different skills. I keep Protect and an All Party Stoneskin Macro on a separate hotbar that I use at the beginning and switch to my instance healing hotbar.

I leveled up initially as WHM healing a WAR in our FC, we did all the story dungeons together. If anything I get bored healing a PLD...

Oh, and I use a controller. Divine Seal is on a macro with Presence of Mind, so that 1 press gets me Divine Seal (if it's off CD) and 2 presses gets me both.

I only barely understand making macros. how did you set up your DS/PoM macro?

A good Warrior was no harder to heal than a PLD. Problem is that good Warriors were kind of like unicorns; everyone knows what it is, but no one has ever seen one.

There's not much to it, it's just:

/micon "Divine Seal"
/ac "Divine Seal" <me>
/ac "Presence of Mind" <me>

One press gets you Divine Seal if it's off CD, Presence of Mind if it's not. For those "OMG" moments, press it twice and you get both.

I honestly think it has more to do with what the WAR is doing as a rotation. When I do AK with my FC I just have the Fairy do all(not exaggerating) the healing so I can DD, and she doesn't have trouble keeping the WAR alive. I have a 50 WHM as well with similar gear and it's having a tank that knows their stuff and making liberal use of Regen when they are at 5 stacks. It does take a little more communication, but outside of Twintania they aren't much different than Paladins in my experience. WAR can actually be really nice on T4 because they can hit so much harder than a PLD which helps with the burn. With all that being said however, I have run into some pug WARs that just can't handle it and it's far more apparent when you are with a WAR that doesn't play well vs a PLD that doesn't play well(which you might not even notice).

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Originally Posted by Paikis

A good Warrior was no harder to heal than a PLD. Problem is that good Warriors were kind of like unicorns; everyone knows what it is, but no one has ever seen one.

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I have seen more unicorn´s in FF 14 than good warriors. But as I find a good warrior I wouldn´t trade him for 10 unicorns. Ah what the heck make that a 20 unicorns.

I'm definitely going to try this out if they ever end this maintenance xD

I think it really depends on the player.
I have done AV only twice (cos I hate it) first with a Warrior and we completed it - only few problems. Second time I got a PUG Paladin, and I could not keep him alive for sh1t. I don't know what was happening with him. He quit in the end. I didn't feel bad cos I accepted that whatever was happening it was just a bad match between the 2 of us (for whatever reason)
I have done WP loads, and the Paladin feels easier to heal than the Warrior.
But, my Warrior friend who I much love running with, has an ability that means heals work better (or something?) - and he is like the best to play with. With that and Divine Seal I got mana to spare tarting about with Holy
:)

That's odd about the WAR being easier than PLD on AK. I LOVE AK and the only time I run into trouble healing is the Demon Wall because of the constant moving around. I usually have one or two people who never quite figure out the floor thing. :P I am really curious about what must have been going on with the PLD though. Puzzling...

(Never mind the AK thing...just looked at where you said AV, which I also love. I get to use Holy during the boss fight)

keep regen on the tank and SS him when he is at full health. SS is great on WARS.

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Originally Posted by landua

keep regen on the tank and SS him when he is at full health. SS is great on WARS.

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SS is just as effective on PLDs with Shield Oath as it is on WARs with Defiance. They have the same eHP.

WAR has 5000 HP. PLD has 4000.
WAR gets a 900 SS, total 5900. PLD gets 720, total 4720.
WAR gets hit for 1000, left with 4900. PLD gets the same hit for 800, left with 3920.
Both tanks are now at 98% HP.
WAR requires 100 HP, PLD requires 80.
WAR's healing bonus means it needs 83.3333... raw heals. PLD still only needs 80.

Any situation where you'd SS a WAR, you might as well SS a PLD, too. If you wouldn't SS a PLD, you might as well not SS a WAR.

Sometimes Warriors seem like they are full of holes, no matter how much you throw at them it just won't go up! I don't know if it is because they are not using their abilities or because they have more HP to balance less defense, where paladin has more defense less hp and damage mitigation skills.

WARs strain me a bit more than pallies do but I don't mind healing either. Just have to tweak the way I heal a little to get the desired result from either of the tanks. I got E4E recently and it's a blessing for when WARs want to pull large groups of mobs. SS works wonders too. I typically give WAR SS before the pull; then wait for the WAR to get through one combo to build up hate then Cure I + Regen right after; then I throw SS on them again and resume my dps or heal up the group. On rare occasions that method proves too slow for some WARs for some reason and if that's the case then I am forced to spam Cure II which I hate doing but it is what it is... I think it's a gear/skill problem but I am still unsure.

As a scholar, I actually prefer to heal warriors over paladins simply because the buffs of a warrior compliment and boost our inability to drop spike heals similar to a whm. It makes my peepee feel bigger when I can casually cast my simplest heal for over 1k non-crit.

--plus, warriors have more HP which compliments my base 25% lustrate.

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Originally Posted by odie

I use Divine Seal ALOT. Some people will tell me I'm depending on it but I'm not. It doesn't cost to use it and doesn't take long to recharge so I'd be a fool to not take advantage of it. I honestly never use Presence of Mind but its mostly due to the fact that I am on a PS3 and its difficult to switch hotbars. Switching causes a lot of fatal mistakes. This is what I pretty much roll with right now.

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Just put Cure 1-3 in the same place on every hot bar. so when you switch its always there :/ problem solved