Tinker>Mechinist/Gadgeteer Class/Job

I got the idea for these from Cid and our friends from the Garlean Empire.

Weapon: Cannon-Gauntlets: Big, bulky gauntlets that are worn on the user's off-hand, similar to the one Cid wears, allowing the user use of their main-hand for delicate work. Housed inside is a small aether-cannon, similar to Gaius'. Designed as more of a defense tool then an actual offensive weapon. Can attack up to 25 yalms away from target.

Tinker [TNK]:
A support-DPS class, they use both gadgets and special cannon-shells in battled for various effects. Their skills are TP based, with their offensive skills using Dexterity as their main stat, and can wear Light Armor, Robes, and Craftsman's clothing.

Some of the gadgets could include:
-Brave Generator: Sets up a circular AoE on the ground where the Tinker was standing that boost physical attack for any party member within it for 30 seconds.
-Shellter Generator: Sets up a square AoE on the ground where the Tinker was standing that boost the magical defense of any party member within it 30 seconds.
-Aetheric-Boost Generator: Sets up a small, star shaped AoE on the ground where the Tinker was standing around themselves that will boost the MP-recovery speed of any party member in it by 15% 15 seconds.
-Vanish Unit: Places an "Invisible" effect on a targeted ally, that lasts for 5 minutes, and/or cuts their aggro by 25%. As long as the Invisible effect is on the target, they can not be detected by enemies. If the inflicted uses a skill or attacks or when they receive damage from an AoE attack, they will loose the Invisible effect. Boss enemies are immune to Invisible's effects.
-Mirage Unit: Places a "Blink" buff with a count of two on the selected target, that lasts for 5 minutes.. One Blink will absorb one attack's damage (either physical or magical) and then dissipate. Some powerful attacks can bypass Blink (such as the Primals' killing attacks).
-Focus Unit: Places a "Focus" buff on a targeted ally, that will last for 15 seconds. The inflicted ally's next damaging skill will have a damage boost by 10% and the Focus effect will disappear. Focus does not work on Limit Breaks or pet moves.
-Aquaveil Unit: Places an "AquaVeil" buff on a targeted ally, that will last for 15 seconds. The inflicted ally's next spell cannot be interrupted by enemy attacks. Once the spell has been cast, AquaVeil will disappear. If the caster moves moves while casting the spell, the spell will still cancel and they will not loose the AquaVeil effect.
-Aether Mine: Places a mine on the spot the Tinker is standing. When a foe steps on the mine, it will explode, damaging the foe, and then disappear. The Mine flashes blue where it's placed and will detonate after 30 seconds of inactivity.
-Silence Gas Mine: Places a mine on the spot the Tinker is standing. When a foe steps on the mine, it will explode, damaging the foe, inflicting them with a Silence debuff for 3 seconds, and disappear. The Mine flashes green where it's placed and will detonate after 30 seconds of inactivity.
-Libra Probe: Launches a probe that scans a targeted enemy. Places a "Scanned" debuff on the enemy that lowers their physical and magical defenses, that lasts for 30 seconds.

*One Tinker can only place one Generator up at a time. Any new Generator will replace the previously placed Generator. A party (2-8 members) can only have two Generators up at a time.
**A target can only have one Unit type of gadget used on them. Any new Unit will replace the previously placed Unit.
***One Tinker can only place up to three Mine type of gadgets at a time. A party (2-8 members) can only have up to six mines on the field at a time. Any newly placed Mines will replace previously placed ones.
****Generator and Mine type gadgets get a proficiency boost from Craftsmanship and Control.
*****Generators have a cast time of 2 seconds. Unit and Mines are instant-cast.

Some Cannon-Shells could include:
-Black Out Shell: Place a Blind status effect on target
-Molotov Shell: Launches an AoE to a designated area that places a "Burn" DoT effect on any enemy in it for 15 seconds.
-Bomb Shell: Does a small amount of damage on a foe and places a "Countdown" debuff on them. When the Countdown debuff reaches 0, the inflicted explodes and it and foes around it receive damage.
-Mortar Shell: Does Damage.
-Shard Shell: Launches a random Crystal Shard from the Tinker's Inventory at a selected foe, damages them, and places a "Crystal Poison" DoT on them for 25 seconds.
-Sidewinder Shell: Does Damage and pushes the user 10 yalms away from the target. Potency increases when flanking the targeted enemy.

*All shells, besides Mortar Shell and Sidewinder Shell, have a cast time of 2.5 seconds. Mortar Shell and Sidewinder Shell are instant-instant.

Other Skill Ideas:
-Repair: Allows the Tinkerer to repair their own and others equipment during battle. Can only repair things in the Blacksmith, Armorer, and Goldsmith categories. Uses up Dark Matter. When the Mechanist Soul Gem is equipped, Repair can be used on Automatons to heal their HP based on the user's Craftsmanship and Control (and it still uses Dark Matter). If the Tinker is repairing someone else's equipment/ repairing an Automaton, the target must be close to the Tinker for this to work.

On the Global Cooldown:
-All Generator Gadgets
-Black Out Shell
-Molotov Shell
-Bomb Shell
-Shard Shell
-Repair

Off the Global Cooldown:
-All Unit Gadgets
-All Mine Gadgets
-Libra Probe
-Mortar Shell
-Sidewinder Shot

Skill Levels:
1. Mortar Shell
2. Repair
4. Focus Unit
6. Black Out Shell
8. Shard Shell
10. Aether Mine
12. Sidewinder Shell
*Quest* 15. Brave Generator
18. Molotov Shell
22. Libra Probe
26. Silence Gas Mine
*Quest* 30. Vanish Unit
34. Mirage Unit
38. Shellter Generator
42. Bomb Shell
46. Aquaveil Unit
50. Aetheric-Boost Generator

Traits and Level Obtained:
8. Enchanted Craftsmanship and Control: Increases your Craftsmanship and Control by 2 points each.
14. Focus Unit Upgrade: Increases Focus Unit's damage boosting effect from 10% to 15%.
16. Enchanted Craftsmanship and Controll II: Increases your Craftsmanship and Control by 4 points each.
20. Shell Shocked: Adds to Mortar Shell a 20% chance that the selected target will receive a 10 second "Shell Shock" DoT.
24. Enchanted Dexterity: Increases Dexterity by 2 points.
28. Increased Combustion: Increase the damage potency of Mine-type gadgets.
32. Enchanted Dexterity II: Increases Dexterity by 4 points.
36. Bonus Rounds: Adds a 5% chance that any Cannon Shell-type of ability will be automatically used a second time instantly, without using TP, having a cooldown, and/or a recast timer.
40. Enchanted Dexterity III: Increases Dexterity by 6 points.
44. Barrier Generator: Adds increased defense to Shellter Generator.
48. Out with a Bang: Adds a 15% chance that any Generator-type of gadget will generate a small explosion when it disappears, damaging any enemy near it.

Cross-Class Skills
-Repair
-Focus Unit
-Aether Mine
-Silence Mine

Teacher: Ayoyo Ayo, Ballistics and Tech expert and current Overseer/babysitter for the Garlond Ironworks' Gridanian recruitment center, in New Gridania.
Story:
In order to better arm Eorzea and nurture a more peaceful future, good-old Cid has opened up the Garlond Ironworks to new recruits in Gridania. You will first be instructed to introduce yourself to the current Overseer, Ayoyo Ayo, a gruff, no-nonsense Shefell, who will fling a barrage of insults your way before asking: "Do you think you have the chops for being among Eorzea's most brightest, most talented, and, most-likely, craziest?" The Tinker questline will first start out with you testing new gadgets and "liberating" some tech from Garlean troops through out the three nations, until you and Ayoyo catch wind of a new Garlean weapon and its dark connection to the Ironworks...

Mechanist [MEC] (TNK+ACN)
XIV's Puppetmaster class . A Pet-DPS class that focuses on augmenting mechanical Automatons with specialized parts. Automatons get their own equipscreen, where you can change what type of Frame (which determines the Automatons skills and look) and parts you are using, with a total of 9 part-slots (two arm, two head, three body, one leg, and one crystal core) that increase the performance of Frames and/or specific moves. Parts are crafted by Alchemist, Blacksmiths, Goldsmiths, and Armorers, with a few special parts being found in Dungeons or won from quests/trials/FATEs. Parts can come in HQ. Cross-class abilities are Arcanist (including pet commands) and Archer. Their skills are TP-based and can wear Light Armor and Craftsman's Clothing. Automatons will mimic its user's emotes.

Relic: Shooting Star, An ornate gauntlet who's design was found in the old tome now held by Laughing Sky, with a few modifications made for modern use. Named after Rinoa Heartily from FFVIII's ultimate weapon, Shooting Star. I originally thought of using Zell's Ehrgeiz but I think Rinoa's blaster edge weapons make far better comparison to my cannon-gauntlet design, seeing as they are arm-mounted crossbows that shoot boomerangs at enemies.

Skill Ideas:
30. Activate Automaton: Summons Automaton. You have access to this at any level, so long as you have the Soul Gem equipped. This is NOT a spell and CANNOT be effected by Swiftcast.
30. Maintenance: Removes one debuff from Automaton. Automaton must be in range for this to work.
35. Slapstick: Launches the user's Automaton at a selected enemy, damaging the foe, and then the Automaton will begin a slapstick routine for 5 seconds, damaging any foe in a 5 yalm radius. Can be canceled by using either using Pet Commands or ordering them to use a skill.
40. Ventriloquy: Switches aggro from Mechanist to Automaton and increases its emnity. Can only work if Automaton is at least 5 yalms away.
45. Overclock: Increases Automaton's damage/healing power by 50% for 10 seconds. After 15 seconds, they gain the "Overheated" debuff that lowers their action speed by 50% for 1 minute. Overheated can not be removed by spell/skill/item.
50. Pantomime: Changes the frame of your automaton to the next in the rotation. Rotation: Spiritrever>Stormwalker>Soulsoother>Spiritrever. When changing frame, the Automaton will still us the same parts they had previously equipped to them. Any effect that was placed on the battlefield by the Automaton will disappear when the frame is switch, while any effect placed on a target will remain.

On Global Cooldown:
-Maintenance
-Slapstick
-Pantomime

Off Global Cooldown:
-Ventriloquy
-Overclock
-Automaton's Skills

Types of Automaton Frames could include:
Stormwalker Uses dazzling elemental spells to stupefy the opposition
Skills:
1. Magic Mortar: Standard attack spell.
1. Cold Wave: Launches a column of freezing air that damages, knocks them back, and binds for 2 seconds
20. Pyro: Launches a fiery AoE at a targeted enemy. Places Burn debuff on nearby enemies that lowers Defense, that lasts for 10 seconds.
25. Jolt: Attacks a foe with a bolt of lightning. Places a Lowered Intelligence debuff on foe, that lasts for 15 seconds.
40. Medeo: Drops small meteors on a targeted area for 20 seconds that damaged enemies that step into area. Each meteor that drops has it's own chance to crit or be evaded.

Spiritrever Places a myriad of DoTs and devilish-goodies for your enemies to enjoy.
Skills:
1. Dia: Standard attack spell. Places Dia DoT on enemy for 18 seconds.
1. Miasma: Same as ACN.
20. Poly: Surrounds self in a dazzling AoE of holy light. Stuns nearby enemies for 5 seconds and places a Poly DoT on them for 24 seconds.
25. Gravity: Places an AoE on the spot where the Automaton was standing for 20 seconds. Places a Speed lowering Debuff and Gravity Crush DoT on any enemy that enters it. You can only have one Gravity AoE up at a time.
40. Matra Magic: Creates 4 magical orbs that will explode and damage any enemy that makes contact with them. If left alone for 5+ seconds, they will float over to the closest enemy. IF there are no enemies nearby, they will just explode on there own. You can only have 4 orbs up at a time and recasting the skill will remove all previous orbs.

Soulsoother Use buffs and tricks to help allies
Skills:
1. Ruin Spikes: Places Ruin Spike buff on a Tank-classed ally, that lasts for 60 seconds. Whenever a foe hits said ally, they will receive a small amount of damage per hit, as long as the buff is up.
1. Tractor: Pulls selected ally towards the Automaton for 5 seconds or if they reach the Automaton. Works on Binded, Petrified, and KO'ed allies. The inflicted ally can pull away to negate the effect, even if immobile.
20. Phalanx: Places a small barrier on a selected ally that absorbs a small amount of damage, that lasts for 5 minutes or until used up.
25. Temper: Places a Temper buff on a DPS-classed ally, that lasts for 15 seconds. As long as the buff is on said ally, there is a small chance that their next Physical Skill will not have a cooldown.
40. Martyr: The Automaton self destructs and restores a small portion of the parties MP and TP.

Teacher: Laughing Sky, a bold and theatrical Roegadyn Goldsmith, in Ul'dah, Steps of Nald
Backstory:
Upon completing the Tinkerer questline and getting Arcanist to level 15, Ayoyo will show one of the Ironworks' latest discoveries, an ancient, automaton frame. Having now expertise in the the field, Ayoyo mention an old acquaintance that specializes in robotics and automatons, Laughing Sky, who had left the Ironworks to pursue a career in show-business in his home town, Ul'dah, and sends you to get his his appraisal. Upon traveling to the Steps of Nald, you will find Laughing Sky, entertaining a small crowd, who aren't very entertained, with his automatons. Once the last of the audience leaves, Laughing Sky will approach you and will begin some technobabble about his automatons, until he notices that you are beginning to doze off. You will then explain that Ayoyo sent you, which will trigger him to begin go through a lengthy remembrance of his time in the Ironworks and how prosperous it was with his admittance to it. He'll once again noticed that you are beginning to doze off again, digress, and examine the rusted automaton. It seems it can be brought back to working condition, IF a master were to repair it, which, lucky for you, Laughing Sky is, he only needs you to do the legwork and collect all the necessary materials and parts, while he preps it. He will send you to his old colleague, Serendipity, at the Goldsmith's Guild, with a list of the needed material. Upon bringing the list to Serendipity and telling her that Laughing Sky sent you, she will moaningly remember him and give her condolences but will tell you that, while she would love to help with such a historical piece, said materials would cost a hefty amount, and ops for a trade, she will give you what you need, if you go and collect some crystal from a strong but rare monster, Starryknight, in Eastern Thanalan's Burning Wall. Once the trade is done, head back to Laughing Sky to find that Ayoyo is has arrived and is verbally chewing him up. Laughing Sky misses the point of what she is saying and laughs until he notices you with the goods. He praises you for your work, stats that everything is ready for the reconstruction, and invites you and Ayoyo to help. You smile and nod, while Ayoyo begrudgingly agrees. Cut to a photo-montage of you three doing the repairs, with a bunch of silly mishaps happening. We then return back to real time, all three of you out of breath, Sky leaning against a wall, Ayoyo clenching her knees and complaining about how hard Laughing Sky made it, and you sprawled out on the floor, in a daze. The door behind Sky opens. The Automaton pirouettes out, followed by a sunburst effect and fanfair, and hold it's position, as the three of you look at it confused. Ayoyo snaps back to reality first, remembering why she was there in the first place, and begins to chew Laughing Sky out again, who is til staring at the automaton confused, until you calm her down. Noticing that Sky still isn't paying attention, she hits him over the head with a large, ancient tome, in a comedic fashion, bring him back to reality. He begins to excitedly exclaim about the automatons craftsmenship and his genius, until Ayoyo hits him again. She then explains that the tome she has been hitting him with another automaton near where they discovered this one. It's filled with various blueprints and text about automatons! Laughing Sky starts to get giddy and begins rapidly technobabbling about the text's mastery and how he and he alone is qualified for such information, until Ayoyo hits him again, this time knocking him out and knocking out a gemstone that was on the cover of the book. She then turns to you, you wince. She suggests that you take the automaton for some field-testing and that she will leave the tome with Sky to decode, how is now snoring. She places it upon his stomach, pats him on the head, and walks off. You then see the automaton pick up the crystal and try to hand it to you. You take the crystal and it begins to glow as the automaton begins to clap in excitement. Its the Mechanist Soul Gem. The Mechanist questline will you learning more about the origin of your automaton with Laughing Sky, silly antics and all.

Gadgeteer [GDT] (TNK+CNJ):
XIV's Corsair class, with some of Tactics Advanced/A2's Gadgeteer/Tinker and Gambler thrown in. A Support/DPS class who use the mysterious Pandorica, am ancient device that cast various effects depending on what you roll and who you have selected, ally or foe. Comes in two flavors: Pandorica-White, which focuses on healing and buffing a selected ally and relies on Mind, and Pandorica-Black, which focuses on damaging, debuffing, and debilitating a selected foe and relies on Intelligence. When targeting another player/party-member, the Pandorica will us its effect on them. Besides the Pandoricas, their skills are suppose to have longer cooldowns. Cross-Class skills are Conjurer (Cleric Stance included) and Arcanist. Their skills are MP-based and can wear Light Armor, Robes, and Craftsman's Clothing.

Relic: Gleisburst, a gauntlet based on those worn by high-ranking Garlean officials but modified to Agrippa's specifications. The name comes from the FFTA series, with it being the strongest Knuckle weapon, the weapon type Gadgeteers/Tinkers weild.

Possible Skills could include:
30. Pandorica: Uses Pandorica. Can be used at any level, as long as the Soul Gem is equipped. Uses Pandorica-White when an ally is targeted and Pandorica-Black when foe is targeted. Only Pandorica-White is usable under level 30. Shows up as 2 separate icons for Pandorica-White and Pandorica-Black.
35. Etheric Dice: Throws 2 6-sided dice on to the field and replenishes the user's MP based on the 2 numbers added together and times by 20.
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40. Roll Up: Adds a +1 to your next Pandorica roll. If 14 is rolled, then 1 will go into effect. If Roll Down is up while this skill is used, the Roll Down effect is negated.
40. Roll Down: Minuses a +1 from your next Pandorica roll. If 1 is rolled, then 14 will go into effect. If Roll Up is up while this skill is used, the Roll Up effect is negated.
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45. Evens Only: Your next roll will be an even number. This roll will NOT be effected by Roll Up, Roll Down, and/or Random Deal.
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50. Random Deal-White: Rolls a number between 1-14, minus Dud numbers (3, 5, 8, 10, and 13), and places a "Random Deal-White" buff on the user with the number just rolled. The next time the users uses Pandorica-White and rolls a dud, the number on the Random Deal-White buff will be used instead.
50. Random Deal-Black: Rolls a number between 1-14, minus Dud numbers (1, 4, 6, 9, and 12) and places a "Random Deal-Black" buff on the user with the number just rolled. The next time the users uses Pandorica-Black and rolls a dud, the number on the Random Deal-White buff will be used instead.

On Global Cooldown
-Pandorica
-Etheric Dice

Off Global Cooldown
-Roll Up
-Roll Down
-Evens Only
-Random Deal-White
-Random Deal-Black-

Some Pandorica-White roll-effects could include:
-1: Gold Battery: Castes AoE effect on the target that cures HP.
-2: Mog Dance: Castes a Regen-effect on target, that lasts for 15 seconds. A moogle with fly around them while the effect is on them.
-3: Dud
-4: Joker's Death: The target takes a moderate amount of damage, has all curable debuffs removed, and gains a regen-like buff, that lasts for 25 seconds.
-5: Dud
-6: Fat Choco Cure: Summons Fat Chobobo to come and cast Medica II-esque spell on the target. Mini-chocobos will fly around the heads of those with the regen effect on them.
-7: Rapture: Cast an AoE effect that removes all status-ailments on those in range. Angel wings will appear on the target as a useless buff.
-8: Dud
-9: Ether Shell: Summons a toy-moogle-soldier to shoot an ether at the target that restores 60MP and 60 TP
-10: Dud
-11: Wall: Cast AoE effect on target that grants Stoneskin (Graniteskin version)
-12: Red Spring: Cast Haste effect on target.
-13: Dud
-14: Lucky Girl: Increases the Critical Hit stat of the target, that lasts for 15 seconds. While effect is on, a picture of a female Miqo'te wearing a swimsuit will float above the target, in homage to Cait Sith's Lucky Girl Limit break from Final Fantasy VII.

Some Pandorica-Black roll-effects could include:
-1: Dud
-2: Explosion: Releases an explosion that damages any foe or ally within range around the user.
-3: Chainsaw: A high damage attack that places a "Defense Down" debuff on the targeted foe, that lasts for 13 seconds.
-4: Dud
-5: Blaster: Damages foes in a frontal column and places Paralyzed debuff on them, that lasts for 15 seconds.
-6: Dud
-7: Gil Magnet: Damages targeted foe and grants the user gil equal to 77% of the damage.
-8: Laser: Launches a probe into the air that shoots small beams of lights around where the targeted foe was standing, damaging any who enter, for 10 seconds.
-9: Dud
-10: Triple Foul: Launches an odd ball at the targeted foe that places Blind, Poison, and Silence debuffs on target, that last for 30 seconds.
-11: Aetheric Helix: Damages foe and places an "Aetheric Helix" DoT on the target for 25 seconds.
-12: Dud
-13: Eerie Sound Wave: Removes all buffs from selected target.
-14: All Creation: Releases a giant sphere of pure aether where the Gadgeteer is standing, that does heavy damage to the first foe that touches it. Disappears after 20 seconds.

Teacher: Cornell, a jovial but mysterious Hyur who is in need of a tech-savvy adventurer, found in Costa del Sol.
Backstory:
Upon completing the Tinkerer questline and getting Conjurer to level 15, Ayoyo will mention a request sent from Costa del Sol about a lost, Garlean weapon. This will lead you to an odd Hyur, Cornell, relaxing on the beach, fruity drink and scantly-clad Miqo'te in hand. After his pleasantries, he will present a file about the mad, Garlean inventor, Agrippa Van Iovita, and the last invention she created before fleeing the Empire, and asks you to investigate while he deals more "rigorous" issues (while he stares at some Miqo'te playing in the water). Your investigation leads you to the Western part of Upper La Noscea, to fight a giant, garish robot. Upon betting the robot, you will be lead to where Agrippa's resting place lies, along with her last invention, the Pandorica, one of her old tomes, and the Gadgeteer Soul Gem. Return to Costa del Sol to give Cornell the tome and Pandorica. His jubilation at getting the olden tech will be short-lived, as he discovers he has no idea how it works, until he rolls a 4, causing the Pandorica to use Joker's Death, which gives everyone a good fright. He then tosses the Pandorica to you and looks at the tome. He begins to read it aloud, with it talking about other tomes hidden in various locations with instructions on how to use the device. However, it seems the locations are hidden in various riddles, cyphers, and puzzles in the tome. So Cornell makes you a deal, he will leave the Pandorica with you, for now, while he deciphers the locations of the tomes for you to go get for him. You agree. He then says that you should get acquainted with the device, while he begins decoding...later, he has a beach to enjoy! The Gadgeteer questline will be you going to where ever Cornell sends you, learning about the Pandorica, its zany creator, her escape from the Empire, and about your patron's connection to it all.

Sorry if the jobs seem to complex, convoluted, and/or broken. >A>()

Ironically, your description of Tinkerer is very much what SE originally was planning Arcanist was going to apparently be in 1.0 (use traps in battle). Presumably though they just couldn't work out issues with balance and hence the class was dummied out of the game - ACN itself being repurposed and redesigned as a psuedo summoner/enfeebling class.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. >w>()
They should have switch its name with Conjurer while they were redoing the class, it would have made more sense...

There, I did a massive edit to this.
I would like to hear your thoughts on this (which I'm sure will be how they won't work ingame but input is always nice >w> ).

There just added two giant walls of text for backstory. :D

I added some skills to Tinker... >A>()

Well that was certainly an entertaining read. And it always fun to make up your own classes. I like the idea, personally I've always liked a mechanic styled class in any RPG.

The only two things I'd say would end up being downright annoying for the player, is having to farm extra gear for your automatons, and relying on RNG for a support/healer.

I'd say the automaton parts should come from quests so they don't pollute drops for other classes, and don't slow you, gearing yourself, down.

The RNG support/healer thing, though I imagine some hilarious situations (hilarious for me anyways), would just frustrate the player I think. And that's mostly because you'd be picked absolutely last for a healing role. So it needs to bring more to the table to make it worthwhile. Personally I'd make it a support damage dealer with buffs and heals for your allies, debuffs and damage on your foes. If you roll a buff on a foe, its a dud and debuffs on allies are also a dud. You pick your target roll the dice and hope for something helpful, without being in too important of a role in the group that could make or break your encounter with RNG. That way it may not always work, you're still playing with chance, but you aren't overly punished at the same time.

P.S. Gadgeteer limit break "Flip the table" Raise everyone in a 6y radius around you and deal high damage to your target. :P

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Originally Posted by HoneyBiscuit

The only two things I'd say would end up being downright annoying for the player, is having to farm extra gear for your automatons, and relying on RNG for a support/healer.

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Thank you for the feedback. ;w;

What if the automaton parts were crafting exclusive (minus a few special parts)? It would connect with Tinker's background of being mechanics/crafters and give crafters something to make/sell (which I feel this game really watered down).

As for Gadgeteer being a Support DPS, that could be interesting. I would probably have to only use one Pandorica and add some numbers but having each one have two effects, depending whether you have an ally of foe selected could be interesting. >w>

Wow that was a lot to read and about 3/4 of the way through I had to just give up. You have some really awesome ideas in here and I hope they do something like this in the game. I don't know how you have time to come up with all this...LOL

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Originally Posted by Mikedizzy

Wow that was a lot to read and about 3/4 of the way through I had to just give up. You have some really awesome ideas in here and I hope they do something like this in the game. I don't know how you have time to come up with all this...LOL

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Thank you very much. >//w//>
I didn't mean for it to be so long but I wanted to give the class and jobs more substance so people could start to see how they could function in game.
Also, this didn't take that much time, I just keep editing and adding to it... >w>()

Just added and edited some stuff:
All of them:
-Added what armor they could wear, Light Armor, Robes, and Craftsman's Clothing.

Tinker:
-Generator type gadgets get potency bonuses based on the Tinker's Craftsmanship and Control.
-Repair can heal Automatons IF the Mechanist Soul Gem is equipped and is based on the user's Craftsmanship and Control.

Mechanist:
-Changed the abbreviation of Crystal Points from CP to CrP.
-Parts are crafted by Alchemist, Blacksmiths, Goldsmiths, and Armorers, with a few special parts being found in Dungeons or won from quests/trials/FATEs.

Gadgeteer:
-Merged Pandorica-Gold into Pandorica-White.
-Created the Pandorica-Black for your offensive RNG needs.
-Added for more rolls to each Pandorica.
-Made Pandorica-White's heals be based on Mind and Pandorica-Black's damage be based on Intellegance.
-Gave Cleric Stance as a Cross-Skill.
-Changed Gadgeteer from Healer to Support-DPS who can heal, depending on the roll.

If you have any ideas, critiques, or constructive-criticisms, let me know. ;D

I read through your Gadgeteer changes real quick. The only things I'm curious about is your choice to only let the Pandorica White to be used below level 30. To me it seems like Joker's Death could very well screw over a higher level group if it happens, so limiting that possibility to a lower level group makes sense. But in doing so, you're also taking the support out of your support DPS for higher level content. I'd suggest removing that restriction on the Pandorica White, and changing Joker's Death.

My idea would be something like, "Joker's Gambit: Sacrifices 7% of target's current hp and convert's all curable debuffs into buffs." (The number 7 for the damage fits the gambler theme, is a much smaller hit to health than 40%, and it's not tehcnically a gambit without SOME risk) For example things like poison or burns -> regen, vulnerability up -> vulnerability down, det down -> det up, and so on. And if multiple poisons (or whatever) exist all are removed and only 1 regen (or whatever) is applied.

@HoneyBiscuit
The reason Joker's Death was made to be so risky was because I wanted something that reflected the gambler/slot-based moves and limit breaks that have been in the FF series, which usually had at least one bad/Auto-Game-Over outcome, like Setzer for FFVI's Joker's Death) or Cait Sith from VII's Death Joker but without actually killing the target/party. Maybe I can lower the damage to 10-or-20% of the target's current HP (not their max) and keep the regen effect? I think having it covert debuffs into buffs might be a little too op. >A>()
As for why only Pandorica-White can be used under level 30, when I first made the job, it was a Healer and Pandorica-White was purely healing, while the second Pandorica, Gold, was buffs/support. I figured allowing both would be too much, considering almost every other job can't use any of their skills under 30 (minus SCH and SMN being able to summon their respective pets but that's Job Stone based).

Ahh I see, it was your wording. "Only allows use of Pandorica-White under level 30." Probably should have typed that similar to your above post, "Only Pandorica-White is usable under level 30."

And I do see why you want Joker's Death to function the way it does. You want it to be related in some way to gambling, which requires the risk of losing everything. But something should be done to make it at least a little less. . . group wipey and unfun for the people around you, IMO. For me, rolling a 4 and watching our tank drop and the fight spiral out of control killing everyone, freaking hilarious. For the tank who was doing his job perfectly and the group that's trying to clear the content, likely not going to be too happy with my class choice. . . or the maniacal laughter coming through my microphone.

So converting all buffs might be OP. But it could just convert DoTs to HoTs. No DoT, no HoT. You're still gambling here, once with the roll, and twice for the existence of a DoT on the target. So what if they don't have a DoT? Don't roll? There's so much other good stuff that could happen you'll probably just keep gambling like you're supposed to. So if there's no DoT on the target you just; wasted a chunk of their health, your cooldown/gcd (however Pandorica is handled) and possibly your "evens only" cooldown if you popped it.

In that situation (keep in mind I'm literally just throwing random ideas out there to give my examples some context, nothing I really expect you to use and for myself to be offended if you don't) In one instant, you wasted a cooldown for no reason, hurt your target with no gain, and hurt your damage without replacing it with anything meaningful. That's a fair amount of losing already. You got no return for that bet at all. Do you really need to add a significant chance for a group wipe on top of it? Nerf the damage or change the functionality in order to reduce the negative fun for your target. (Hell just change the wording to low/moderate/high damage instead of a percent. If it's vague we can just assume the idea is implemented and balanced which makes it harder to argue against. Giving out solid numbers requires it all to be balanced. Which without a working prototype to run tests with, or some way to simulate the numbers, is going to be a bit hard to do.)

Anyway, TL;DR: Optional chance of instantly losing in a single player game could be fun. Losing to something out of your control, like some duty finder donkus who just bet your life on some dice, not so much.

P.S. You asked for criticism so I'ma keep doin it :P (I do really like your concept though).

@HoneyBiscuit
And I appreciate your critique, it's constructive and nicely worded.

I'll go and change the under level 30 text, so there's no more confusion. >w>()

I'm starting to see what you're saying about Joker's Death could be a really big negative... >A>()

Then how about:
Joker's Death: The target takes a moderate amount of damage, has all curable debuffs removed, and gains a regen-like buff.
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Adds and Edits:

In general:
-Added Relics to Mechanist and Gadgeteer.
-Mechanist's Relic: Shooting Star, An ornate gauntlet who's design was found in the old tome now held by Laughing Sky, with a few modifications made for modern use.
-Gadgeteer's Relic: Gleisburst, a gauntlet based on those worn by high-ranking Garlean officials but modified to Agrippa's specifications.

Gadgeteer:
-Changed Joker's Death to: "Joker's Death: The target takes a moderate amount of damage, has all curable debuffs removed, and gains a regen-like buff."

Updates

General:
-Added what level you learn skills.

Tinker:
Added skills:
-Aquaveil Unit
-Aether Mine
-Silence Gas Mine
-Sidewinder Shell

Mechanist:
-Reordered Automaton skills to match level you unlock them.

Updated:

General
-Added more rulings and how long effects last on moves

Tinker
-Made a list of what Tinker skills are Cross-Classable.

Mechanist
-Changed Frame Rotation's rotation from "Stormwalker>Spiritreaver>Soulsoother>Stormwalker" to "Spiritreaver>Stormwalker>Soulsoother>Spiritreaver"

Back again and this time I think I'll poke at your "Random Deal" ability for gadgeteer.

I'm not so sure I understand the point of the ability. Rerolling your dice is an easy enough concept. But you can usually see if it's a bad roll before making that choice. You take the risk of rolling worse or rolling better. Makes sense.
The only way I see a reroll type ability working (or having a point rather) would be if your pandorica stored the ability you rolled until you chose to fire it off yourself. In that case you can see your poor roll and pop your cooldown to try again. But nothing I read would indicate it functioning like that. (If it did forgive me, for I may have overlooked it and my whole post could then be deemed pointless.) Another alternative would be a literal Re-Roll. Roll a 6, press ability, receive another 6.

Anyways as it stands you don't know what you're going to get, but you do know it will be rerolled. Is there a difference then to just plain rolling? Imagine grabbing a couple dice, closing your eyes and throwing them on the table. Without opening your eyes you roll them again before looking. You can't count the dice until you see them, so why exactly did you roll it twice? See where I'm getting at?


On a somewhat unrelated note, I sort of imagined an ability I'd have made for the gadgeteer were it my own creation. Seems like gambling classes should have abilities to cheat their own luck. This ability I'd call "Stack the deck" would do something like remove all the duds from your roll table for your next roll.

Anyways, I'll likely be back to look at your next set of patch notes. Not sure why, but this has yet to lose my interest.

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Thank you for always coming back, I really do like the feedback. >//w//>

As for Random Deal, I can see what you mean, it could be more of a big waste then bad luck.
What if Random Deal did it's reroll but also did what your "Stack the Deck" does? Like, you use it,you get a non-Dud number, it saves the number as like a buff, and then the next time you roll a dud, Random Deal's roll is used instead? To make that work, there could be a Random Deals for each Pandorica then, Random Deal-White and Random Deal-Black, that way you wouldn't have to waste a roll that would be good for one but not the other and it could store both at the same time as two separate buffs.

Updates

General
-Added lists to Tinker and both jobs says what is on and off Global Cooldowns.

Tinker
-Sidewinder Shell now also pushes the user 10 yalms away from its target.
-In order to use Repair on an Automaton or another person's equipment, the target must be close in proximity to the user.

Mechanist
-In order to use Maintenance, the Automaton must be close in proximity to the user.
-In order to use Ventriloquy, the Automaton must be at least 10 yalms away from the user.

Gadgeteer
-Massive overhaul for Random Deal. Split into Random Deal-White and Random Deal-Black. Rolls a number between 1-14, minus Dud numbers (numbers changed depending on Pandorica), and places a "Random Deal-White/Black" buff on the user with the number just rolled. The next time the users uses a Pandorica and roll a dud, the number on the Random Deal buff will be used instead, depending on the Pandorica.
-Rapid Deal now places a "Rapid Roll" buff on user for 10 seconds. As long as the Rapid Roll buff is on, the user's Pandorica cooldown time will be cut in-half (after factoring Skill Speed).

Updates and Edits

Tinker:
-Generators have a cast time of 2 seconds. Unit and Mines are instant-cast.
-All shells, besides Mortar Shell and Sidewinder Shell, have a cast time of 2.5 seconds. Mortar Shell and Sidewinder Shell are instant-instant.

Gadgeteer:
-Removed Rapid Roll and replaced it with Etheric Dice.
- Etheric Dice: Throws 2 6-sided dice on to the field and replenishes the user's MP based on the 2 rolled numbers added together and times by 20.
- Reordered what level you acquire skills:
30. Pandorica
35. Etheric Dice
40.Roll Up & Roll Down
45. Evens Only
50. Random Deal-White & Random Deal-Black

Update:

Mechanist:
-Removed the Crystal Point (CrP) system.
-Automaton's parts boost the performance of Frames and/or individual moves.
-Automatons mimic their user's emotes.
-Removed Energy Siphon and replaced it with Slapstick.
-Ventriloquy only switches aggro from the user to the Automaton. It also now increases the Automaton's aggro.
-Renamed Frame Rotation to Pantomime
-Slapstick: Slapstick: Launches the user's Automaton at a selected enemy, damaging the foe, and then the Automaton will begin a slapstick routine for 5 seconds, damaging any foe in a 5 yalm radius. Can be canceled by using either using Pet Commands or ordering them to use a skill.
-Slapstick is on the GCD.
-Reordered what level you acquire skills:
30. Activate Automaton & Maintenance
35. Slapstick
40. Ventriloquy
45. Overclock
50. Pantomime

Update:

Tinker:
-Tinker's offensive skills use Dexterity as their main stat.
-Added Traits and Obtained Level list

From what I've read I think these are the best fan made class ideas. They all seem fun and very interesting. I would love to see at least one of them come to fruition.

Good work!

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Originally Posted by Gabber

From what I've read I think these are the best fan made class ideas. They all seem fun and very interesting. I would love to see at least one of them come to fruition.

Good work!

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Thank you very much. Q//w//Q