let the abuse begin

With the intro of the party kick system, I foresee it getting abuse more then anything else in the game (at least for the first 6 months or so). When you give people new powers like this, they just want to use it to make others miserable and themselves feel special.

Sure you have to vote to kick someone, but if i go by every other game I've played that has a similar system in place, the rest of the grp is just going to click ok without reading it and goodbye (possible a vary good) player. So I posting this to have people become aware and to read the vote to kick popups before clicking ok, heck people will vote to kick someone for the dumbest of reasons (if any reason at all).

Well, most of us tried to warn the dev team to not implement it, how much is overabused on every single mmo who has one, and how many issues would arise (and how many hundred thousand tickes from abused players they will receive). They chose vote kick. God save us :rolleyes:

Vote to kick OP. Press F1 for "yes", press F2 for "no".

Hello guys I'm new here any pointers?

*you were removed from the group*

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Originally Posted by Ri_ri

Hello guys I'm new here any pointers?

*you were removed from the group*

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Serious players will just use the party finder instead of the normal duty finder.

Sadly this feature is sorely needed. When using the duty finder and waiting 20-30min for a duty to pop just to have a bot or an afk person in the dungeon with you....we need some sort of way to remove players and invite new ones to the dungeon..

It is both bad and good, inexperienced players will be getting the boot left right and center, but also the pissy tank or healer who decides to AFK because things aren't being done THEIR way way will get the boot now too, rather than wasting everyone else time. Sadly this feature WILL be used for more bad than good for the most part and I feel really sorry for anyone still learning the game, I for one will be encouraging my newest FC members to run with FC groups.

With a Vote kick button I can now Tank with peace.

I just hope that punishmet for wrongful use is a permanent ban from duty finder. Would fix potential abuse.

Or you can be a jerk in hopes of getting kicked out of bad titan groups, wp slow runs, etc.

I read some where that it's a 30 min timer before you can queue again? That's ridiculous and forces bad parties to keep zerging content because no one wants to take the timer hit.

I've seen a lot of abuse for not have that option. People pulling mobs to kill the party just for fun. People going afk just to bother other players, or to let other players do the conten so they coud get some tomestones (This happened a lot in Castrum). People running nude on dungeons to have fun bothering other players....Abusing of their impunity.


I seriusly doubt we woud se more abuse with a "kick" option that can't be used more than once for each 4 hours...

it said that more than half of the people have to vote to kick someone. that means in a party of 4, 3 people have to be voting yes, which i dont necessarily see happening too often. will it get abused some, absolutely, but as also stated in the notes, you can be punished for abusing the system and leaving has a 30 min. wait now instead of 15. so basically you have to have 3 jerks in a party to kick out one person. will it happen? sure, but probably not at an alarming rate. we shall see!

I saw this system in WoW. And I rarelly saw anyone kick anyone. Mostly people kicked othe rplayers that flamed or were mean to each other.

Coil group, lacks 1 member.

Invites 1 random guy, kicks him before the chest spawns.

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Originally Posted by Doo

Or you can be a jerk in hopes of getting kicked out of bad titan groups, wp slow runs, etc.

I read some where that it's a 30 min timer before you can queue again? That's ridiculous and forces bad parties to keep zerging content because no one wants to take the timer hit.

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The kick system might be like the one in Tera where everyone had to agree and if someone was kicked they didn't suffer the timeout penalty that I ever heard.

you can only initiate a Vote Kick every 4 hours, which means less abuse. If you abuse it (like kicking a person for being new) you can and likely WILL be reported (as it will probably show a Yes or No vote on the screen not just a number).

They will likely TRACK Vote Kicks, and the reasons you're selecting to kick someone. If you abuse it, you may find yourself locked out of initiating, all the way to an actual temporary or permanent ban of your account from play.

Also, a person KICKED from a party doesn't suffer the Penalty of the 30 minute timer. They can queue up right away.

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Originally Posted by Ashgarth

Coil group, lacks 1 member.

Invites 1 random guy, kicks him before the chest spawns.

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And get the group banned for griefing since it's not df and you know server and names. sounds legit.

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Originally Posted by Dhalmel

Serious players will just use the party finder instead of the normal duty finder.

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While getting trolled there too. :)

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Originally Posted by Yoruichi4478

The kick system might be like the one in Tera where everyone had to agree and if someone was kicked they didn't suffer the timeout penalty that I ever heard.

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Same system as DCUO, it got abused to death because players kept kicking roles they didn't want or if they weren't geared enough to their liking.

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Originally Posted by Ashgarth

Coil group, lacks 1 member.

Invites 1 random guy, kicks him before the chest spawns.

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Well, that looks dangerous for pick up partys. But... That is surely an abuse of the system, so I suppose will have a punishment.

Player A: Hi guys im new. Explain strats please.
Player B: *initates vote kick for Player A*
Player C: *accepts*
Player D: *accepts*
System: *Player A has been kick from the duty*

Remember my advice , from tomorrow joining any random pug of any kind: take a quick screenshot when joining, and one more when near last chest. Don't tell we didn't warn :rolleyes:

Good luck receiving an answer of your ticket, or even barely read. Yes yes, the abuser will be banned, yes.. sure.. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Ashgarth

Coil group, lacks 1 member.

Invites 1 random guy, kicks him before the chest spawns.

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Sadly, I'm pretty sure people will do this. They may get reported but, I haven't known anyone to get any lengthy punishment for anything like this. My server still has many trolls that grief people. They are well known and people avoid them, but it's not like anything happens to deter them from playing. Do GM's even play this game? :P

Did no one at all pay attention to the image of the Vote Screen?

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/038...c43828a_47.png

Notice here how you have to nominate a reason when accepting to kick someone?
It will be incredibly easy for a snapshot of your instance to be sent to the GM department when a vote kick goes through, and investigated for harassment. It only needs a cursory glance by a GM to see whether or not a player was in the wrong.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

Did no one at all pay attention to the image of the Vote Screen?

http://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/038...c43828a_47.png

Notice here how you have to nominate a reason when accepting to kick someone?
It will be incredibly easy for a snapshot of your instance to be sent to the GM department when a vote kick goes through, and investigated for harassment. It only needs a cursory glance by a GM to see whether or not a player was in the wrong.

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Did you read the last 2 post above yours? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by WHS

Found my answer in patch notes. If you are kicked out not by choice you do not suffer the 30 minute lockout.

P.S. How do you delete a post you made once it is made? I've seen other posts deleted.

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Don't delete posts you already did, just add an EDIT: at the end and correct yourself, for example you found the answer to your doubt/question, so you add it on the edit.

Regardless, if you wanna delete it click on edit and then a button that says delete will appear next to the others (such as applying changes etc).

Btw, don't just delete the full text imo, it's weird :P (and it causes troubles when a troll does it, but don't worry about it though xD, it's nice still not modifying much what you have already posted since people have probably already seen it.

Also for anyone who didnt read it, you do not get a time penalty if you get kicked.

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Originally Posted by Teon

Did you read the last 2 post above yours? :rolleyes:

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Yes, i did. And they're right. There are ways that we can get people banned for improper use of the vote kick.

All i was pointing out was that the system has a built in method, that when coupled with a player report, can result in action. Hell, it can happen even if the player who got booted doesn't make the report, Since the system will have made the report anyways.

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Originally Posted by Sylve

All i was pointing out was that the system has a built in method, that when coupled with a player report, can result in action. Hell, it can happen even if the player who got booted doesn't make the report, Since the system will have made the report anyways.

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I wonder if it will be as effective as reporting a botter.

Beyond people speculating whether or not people will get punished if they abuse the system or not... which I have yet to see anyone punished for something other than RMT... but sure, let's say that the punishment will be horrible just for... yea

But! How about those people the decide your group sucks and demand to be kicked so they don't get a penalty? I don't want to use my cooldown to kick people that are just wanting to avoid that, but I suppose I'll have to. "Ermagerd I know this tank and they a baddie! I'm too leet for dis partah! Kick meh nao or I will wipe you all over and over! /tantrum" If that happens, which I'm sure will happen more often than legitimate use of it, when the afk player shows up, I probably won't be able to kick them...

/sadface

Edit: I did fail to mention the "kick for harassment" option, but really is throwing a tantrum really harassment? If they are screaming and complaining like a child to get kicked on purpose, I don't see how that they are falling under the TOS description of harassment. If you read it, you'll notice the highlights are swearing... >.>

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Originally Posted by DragonHunterG

it said that more than half of the people have to vote to kick someone. that means in a party of 4, 3 people have to be voting yes, which i dont necessarily see happening too often. will it get abused some, absolutely, but as also stated in the notes, you can be punished for abusing the system and leaving has a 30 min. wait now instead of 15. so basically you have to have 3 jerks in a party to kick out one person. will it happen? sure, but probably not at an alarming rate. we shall see!

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Does it count the person being voted on though, or does it mean more than half of the people eligible to vote?

If it doesn't count the person nominated, then just 2 out of 4 members will have to vote yes in a 4 person instance for removal. I guess we'll find out when the update is over :)

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Originally Posted by Shaone

Does it count the person being voted on though, or does it mean more than half of the people eligible to vote?

If it doesn't count the person nominated, then just 2 out of 4 members will have to vote yes in a 4 person instance for removal. I guess we'll find out when the update is over :)

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I didn't see it anywhere but I would assume in a 4 person group, it would pretty much have to be the other three players unless you're dumb enough to vote kick yourself in 8 mans I would imagine 5/7

The kick option was sorely needed I have been in way to many groups where one player either refuses to participate (afk's completely and its not hard to change the channel on your tv or open a new window and every so often hit your jump button to avoid the afk kick) trolls or belittles others (people freaking for people watching cutscenes) or just are plain not capable of completing the content (dont mind teaching people dungeons but when you take 90% of all demon walls black strips for 45mins straight there is nothing I can do to help you anymore).

I figure that the abuse will be a lot less than its utility but I am a little disappointed how strict the kick lockouts are.I mean sometimes helping out in CM there are up to 2-3 people who simply decide to sit at the start and not participate. Yes I could shout in Mor Dhona but I am not someone who is all ZOMG NEED THIS CLEARED NAOW. I am someone who likes a relaxed atmosphere doesnt mind teaching people and will try my best to stick out to the very end but sometimes you need more than 1 kick in a day (some days I run 15+ dungeons just to help people out) and without the option to kick I am less inclined to help new people. Especially since now with the extended lockout people are not just going to leave they are simply going to rage and afk at the start until you are forced to kick them.