Housing after Live Letter XI: legitimate impact on smaller guilds, merges, desertion

It seems a strong pressure to merge smaller guilds or break members to join the larger guilds with possibly more indiscriminate recruitment and membership, while not necessarily intentional, I think a reality regardless.

Our guild has a legacy stretching some 15 years or a bit more, perpetually smaller than most and casual with optional RP by decree, but up until now able to establish even the smallest form of housing going forward with plans (and success) for the larger units in the many games we've taken root in.

Now, it seems we must continue without housing until these asinine prices (as I and others deem it, with all their own opinions) are reconsidered, or we simply settle with how the past several years have seen an increase in mass-market and economy fluctuations with RMT playing some part, and ultimately smaller guilds falling more incapable in today's MMO environment.

For those in larger guilds with funding for desired size, truly I wish thee joyous times ^_^

I really think SE doesn't care about smaller groups. We're a small Free Company of up to around 30 active players. I appreciate we don't need a large FC home but this feature went from one we were looking forward to to one which has really upset out group. We're not 1.0 players. The richest person in our FC has 2m gil and that's considerably more than everyone else. The group as a whole feels let down by the pricing on this in part because SE were unable to manage the botting and fake generation of gil at launch.

I agree, I was pretty bummed about it yesterday after expecting it to cost around 1million gil from the earlier statements to now 20 million on my server for the tiniest plot of land. My FC is small and we mostly all close to each other, friendly and helpful so I have no intentions of merging, breaking or moving to a new larger FC where the members are just a number.

Personally I will not even be bothering with FC housing and I'm hoping more people will feel this way and force them to change their totally screwed way of viewing money in circulation to base on the price of a FC house. While there may be massive amounts of money on all these servers most of that money is on 1.0 players, and 1.0 FC so most of that bulk of gil is all within a handful of FC and not on the new players who came to play after 2.0 relaunched.

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Originally Posted by Eldelphia

one we were looking forward to to one which has really upset out group.

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Same here. Myself and many in our small fc (about 15 active players ) were really looking forward to this, but now it's deeply overshadowed all the other positive stuff if this patch. We've been working hard to make money and we're not even close to the cheapest house.

It really isnt fair to the smaller FCs. I mean I can kinda get if theyre trying to kill RMT somehow... but..this is just excessive and stupid. I'm in the same boat, I have a small knit group, no more then 30 members. We all scrounged up all the gil we could, and managed to get a somewhat decent 3.5 mil. But when I saw this... I almost cried... knowing all that work was for nothing, and now we get left in the cold this holiday season :(

Me and my FC are really bummed. We worked hard to save the 1mil we had thinking that would be enough to a house in the ghetto but now we are trying to figure out how to get more gil but we're not letting this set back mess up the enjoyment of the other new content

It's amazing that this was pulled. They may not be saying it, but the message that comes across is "Merge with big name companies." That or get a friend with DEEP pockets, because honestly that's who this feature will be catering to. People who have made a killing and are freaking rolling in the money and Legacy players.

I have a VERY small FC of barely 10 people; we're all friends, and we don't openly recruit. We originally LIKED the idea of FC housing, but now that's quickly turning to hate. Especially since we ended up on a Legacy server. We're double pooched and we can't do much about it. How is this fair to us or to any small company that is mostly just friends?

This entire housing system is a joke. If housing is meant to be "highly prestigious" like someone in another thread put it, I'll accept sitting out in the cold. :/ It isn't prestige, it's flaunting your money. There's a difference between the two, and neither should factor into this sort of thing.

As a small 14 member tight fc we were grinding wp and crafting like crazy and got around 1500k of gil for fc house. then i find out we need over 50 mill for a decent sized fc house, we cant get that much anytime soon we would have to grind for gil for atleast a month maybe more just to get a medium let alone a big fc house -_-... are hopes for fc house was destroyed. We no longer are gonna save up for fc house and as players will not accept this kind of treatment from Square Enix. Hopefully they understand this was a wrong move and change it soon, or housing will be dead.. atleast for the small fc's it will be!

Prices are stupid esp on legacy servers. I understand them being higher but you have gone way overboard. :(

My FC is pretty small as well, with around 8 very active and about 4-6 semi-active members. On our server we can afford the smallest plot if we save up a bit, but it's still rough. I've already been asked if we're going to just mass recruit or merge to get our numbers up merely for a bigger house. The pricing wouldn't be so bad if money were easier to get.

SE, you could at least off set the cost with Free Company Credits. 10gil = 1 FC credit. I mean, doesn't it make more sense for FC to cost company credits rather than gil? Or another idea would be to just charge rent for the lot. You remove gil for the game and we get medium size housing, because let's be honest small housing is for personal use.

Upkeep is a bane for many a known veteran MMO comrade in the games it held function, before branching into the broader public.

The prices appear the culprit, by and large, without exploring perhaps the psychology of those in development which might be its own thread where it's permitted.

I can understand the large cost of company housing when we take into account that SE already stated they don't want to stress the servers with new FC homes and neighborhood zones right away. I can assume, the initial stress of people buying property could crash the server. We already know it was very problematic when players overload a service such as the duty finder, as it crashed the servers a lot at release. SE may not know how many homes will be bought, so by slowing down the process, it makes troubleshooting the problems more manageable. SE stated that the problems at initial release by players overloading the duty service, delayed the 2.1 release date.

I think this is a strong way to slow down the process at which people buy homes. If that makes it possible for me to play the game, with out error codes, I am all for it.

I wish Se did more to help the rest of us by providing a major update to the FC chest, and by providing more tools to the FC interface.

I do not know the logic of Square on the matter of housing, if you put the idea that most ppl that play versión 1, quit the game because it was so terrible, and they have the crazy notion that we are rich. We do not have money even for the smallest house. I was looking forward the most for the housing, but now forget about it, unless I sell my soul to a new class job which it seams Square is going to add without even knowing about it : Farmer.
The only people I can see happy about this is gil sellers , makes you wonder if they are in good terms with Square or something, and now for sure will make my blacklist be full since the /tells are going to be non stop.
If they are doing this cause the servers cannot handle it, well maybe They could had add housing in a future patch, and not just make the players look forward for something they are not going to have.
Also I dont even want to think the change of prizes on the Action house tomorow.

I have to agree with a lot of what was said. We have a small (like less than 10 people) free company of friends/family who play together and don't recruit. Housing, which I was really excited about, went from a goal to work towards to effectively unobtainable. Even at the lowest (2mil) - we can barely scrape together 1/10th of that. I'm not saying that it should be free or a given, but an amount that means we would have to plan and work towards it over the next month or so. If we did nothing for the next 4 months but craft for money.

It's really disappointing. Like I said, I don't expect to be given anything, but I want to put effort into getting something that doesn't take 6 months to attain.

Honestly, I don't have very high hopes for player housing now. I feel like with this model, player houses for 1mil gil will be considered reasonable. It just really makes me sad. This had so much potential to add something for everyone, not just the elite free companeis.

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Originally Posted by Wayist

Elite.

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I think our collective experience with Final Fantasy XI should have taught us that this category is the only one Square-Enix cares about, and caters to.

I had a bad feeling they were going to do something illegitimate or distasteful with this. Even I gave them more credit than this.

If merging is the direction that they want to take the game, I have a very bad feeling about where they want it to go. I can't imagine a Free Company with 500 members, or more. That's not a team; that's a small company, complete with a boss, his/her board of directors, and all the little employees serving them. Who wants to come home from work to go back to work? All the glory goes to the clown with the crown, and all the little worker bees get to freeze.

I think this, just like everything else comes down to choice. I think all of us here have decided to simply not participate in this charade. Kudos to us, I say. Sometimes, it takes strength to be different.

Eve Online corp and starbase management, not really something I wanted to get back into. Especially without the right set of controls/options for it. That is exactly what this housing situation creates though.

Being a legacy player, that played through all of 1.0, I maybe could have had the money and a few of my FC members could have too. But who saves 100mil to throw at a guildhouse?

In Eve it was through service charges and taxes within the corp that these purchases got made, very little was donations. I can't see any way that I can coax 20~600mil out of my FC for a vanity item that may or may not be worth having in the end.

At any rate, like soooo many others here, my little FC (about 15~20 regularly active) had its hopes of a cool new house dashed since only about 5 of us have 1mil+ and of those 5 only about 2 would willingly part with 1mil+ most of us are in the 50~100k range at any given time cause we don't spend 24/7 gil farming.

Let's just imagine how many ppl & time we need to get a Medium Third-class Plot (on Sargatanas it's 84,375k gill). Consider a medium player (not Bahamut-farmer) playing 5 days a week, 3h a day. Let's suppose he goes to WP 3 times a day & gives all earned money to the guild for purchase of the Plot (it's 3k gill for one WP => 9k gill a day). Take for example a 3 month period. So we have 9k gill * 3 month * 4 week * 5 day * 9 000 gill = 540 000 gill from one person for 3 months. We have Medium Plot - 84 375 000 gill, dividing it for 540 000 gill we get 156 ppl.
So 156 ppl should farm WP 3 times a day 5 days a week for 3 months (like a work) for having Medium Plot. Dunno if I want that Plot after that.