...not that I particularly care about the housing issue that much at all. It wasn't something I was all that excited about, but plenty on the forums are.
I'll just say this, from an objective outsider who really could care less about housing, if you want to force SE to drop the prices, then as an ENTIRE collective community, refuse to bid on any of it for as long as it takes.
Don't cheapen out and buy a small crummy block of land with a crappy house. Simply refuse, as an entire community, to engage in it.
If the community speaks as a collective whole on the issue, and boycotts the land and housing prices as they stand, SE WILL listen.
Best form of protest about the housing prices is...
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12-15-2013, 10:00 AMCastillanBest form of protest about the housing prices is...
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12-15-2013, 10:02 AMReiterpallasch
Or understand that 5m, 10m, 20m etc for an entire free company isn't even close to a lot of gil. It's not even a lot for one person, so I don't get why everyone is losing their minds over it.
People keep acting like the cheapest houses will be made out of cardboard or some crap with bare dirt floors or some such. -
12-15-2013, 10:05 AMNghthawk
Let alone you won't be able to purchase anything when the servers come back online, you need to increase your FC rank before attempting to do so. If the FC pricing is high, wait until they do the same with player housing.
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12-15-2013, 10:08 AMCrimenYou can't speak for every FC or player out there. If people are losing their minds over it, it's clearly because most people can't afford it. How many members do you consider "an entire FC" to have?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch
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12-15-2013, 10:17 AMReiterpallaschI'd say a small FC would be around 10 people or so. For those 10 people, you'd need less than 500k per person on the lower priced realms, or as much as 4m on the highest one. But even so, that's not an outrageous amount of money that it impossible to get.Quote:
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Most FCs I see tend to have more than that though. I've seen many in the 40-50 member range, and some into the hundreds. There are even a few out there with capped members (active ones, mind you), and for them buying even the biggest houses will require minimal effort if people put forth the effort.
If I can afford a small 20m house on Hyperion by myself (no "legacy gil", never sold a 2 star item, never sold Titan wins, basically never sold anything over 20k sans T4 materia), what does that say about entire free companies that can't make that much? -
12-15-2013, 10:20 AMTrystWildkeyWow, that's a great question. I can't figure out why people wouldn't all have 20 million in their pocket.Quote:
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Maybe they play the game for fun and content, not for the economics? *shrug* No idea why anyone would play a video game for fun though, you're exactly right. -
12-15-2013, 10:23 AMReiterpallaschWho said that a single person would need that much? I said an entire free company should have no issues whatsoever getting that much gil.Quote:
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12-15-2013, 10:24 AMPraeclarus
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12-15-2013, 10:25 AMTrystWildkeyEven the smaller free companies, maybe made up of a few rl friends? You know, groups who, maybe, play the game for fun and content?Quote:
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12-15-2013, 10:28 AMSarcasmMisser
Why on earth are you assuming that people who make money aren't having fun doing it, and that the market isn't content? Everyone has fun in different ways. Get out with that idea that what isn't fun for you isn't fun for everyone.
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12-15-2013, 10:28 AMXatshYou expect members of a guild to give up millions of thier own gill? you are living in fantasy land.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch
We were selling drops drops from running dungeons before the markets went to hell and we struggled to pull 10million a week with gill earned in guild events. Most the money for guilds died when people stopped paying over 400k for titan.
SE is making it a point to screw over guilds in everyway including making money. Atm it is more beneficial to make money solo then in a group... people are not going to give gil to a guild without being able to force everyone to or 1 person will be paying the bill.
Go to your free company now and say ok everyone we are getting a guild hall. Everyone has to pay 150k a week or you will be kicked. Find out how many are with you more then 2 weeks after that. Assuming the large falls to 50% and the average endgame guild has 40people (which is more then normal) you are looking at 4ish mill a pop. Most people in this game have less then 400k and are struggling to afford repairs and food for events atm. -
12-15-2013, 10:36 AMsaber_alterbecause everyone on the planet is at level 50, has invested in bringing a crafting class to fifty or gets lucky enough with spirit bonding to make this true....Quote:
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12-15-2013, 10:41 AMindira
dont buy or other future stuff will cost insane amounts of money, it take 90 days to go down 50% thats over kill even then it will take a long time to make that kinda gil.
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12-15-2013, 10:58 AMHamHamSo you're saying you bought it. Got it. Good to know.Quote:
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12-15-2013, 05:25 PMCegianaYou need to just give up trying to reason or use logic with Reiterpallasch, it's clearly not working. It's her way or the highway and anyone that has a different opinion is completely wrong and isn't playing the game right...Quote:
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12-15-2013, 05:36 PMReiszRieWell, players can always come up with scenarios such as 3 RL friends in a FC and therefore can't afford FC housing, IMO if you have a small number of FC members and collectively can't afford a FC housing, then the FC housing isn't really meant for you, you really can't expect FC housing at launch, to be affordable by the poorest and smallest FC.Quote:
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FC housing will gradually be made cheaper and it allows even the smallest FC to afford it by earning the gils required whilst letting the prices fall, I personally don't understand how is it that players are requesting for housing to be made affordable to the poorest and smallest FCs right at launch. -
12-15-2013, 05:44 PMGabbelgak
Do people who made large amounts of money from materia 4 sales (I've made my fair share) really have themselves fooled enough to think a significant chunk of that isn't coming from people who are buying gil off RMT's?
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12-15-2013, 05:47 PMLafieleEveryone plays for fun. Some people just make more than others. I play for fun AND make that money. Thank you for judging the way we play.Quote:
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12-15-2013, 05:56 PMRi_ri
Knowing SE, they'd think it's a huge success since it means they won't have to get more servers.
Somehow it's easier to raid than get a house. What content is supposed to be hardcore here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch