Allagan lv95 no stat change means?

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Q29: With the change in the item level for weapons from the Binding Coil of Bahamut will the stats also be changed?

A29: The weapons will only have their item level increase by five and the stats will not be changed. We will, however, be making adjustments to some stats on the armor that can be obtain in the Binding Coil of Bahamut.

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Does it mean that stats won't be increased or only that stat types (skill speed, determinations) won't change but stat itself will be increased?

The second one. Same stats just higher due to higher ilvl.

i.e. A weapon with Crit and DTR will still have those same stats but the cap will be raised 3-4 points due to higher item level.

that makes more sense. ty

So, the way I read that is the iLvl of the weapons will go to 95 and their stats won't be changed, but that the armor is remaining iLvl 90 and in order to make the weapon an iLvl 95, they will reduce the stats of the armor and bump the stats of ilvl 90 lower than it currently is.


A29: The weapons ... stats will not be changed. ... however, ... adjustments to some stats on the armor ....

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Originally Posted by am0n

So, the way I read that is the iLvl of the weapons will go to 95 and their stats won't be changed, but that the armor is remaining iLvl 90 and in order to make the weapon an iLvl 95, they will reduce the stats of the armor and bump the stats of ilvl 90 lower than it currently is.


A29: The weapons ... stats will not be changed. ... however, ... adjustments to some stats on the armor ....

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They mentioned that some of the allagan pieces are identical to the myth counterparts- they're saying they're going to change the specific secondary stats on allagan pieces that are currently identical to myth pieces.

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Originally Posted by am0n

So, the way I read that is the iLvl of the weapons will go to 95 and their stats won't be changed, but that the armor is remaining iLvl 90 and in order to make the weapon an iLvl 95, they will reduce the stats of the armor and bump the stats of ilvl 90 lower than it currently is.


A29: The weapons ... stats will not be changed. ... however, ... adjustments to some stats on the armor ....

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Just people confusing themselves. Some Myth Items and their Allagan counterparts had the exact same stats. Healer Allagan Pants and Scholar Myth Pants for example, exactly the same. Few other pieces here and there as well. This is getting changed. The weapons are being bumped to ilvl 95 and that brings stat boosts just from the higher ilvl. When they said the stats on the weapons aren't changing, as others have said, it means the stats won't change to DIFFERENT stats.

If that's the case, they need to reword that answer. For someone who wasn't watching the live stream and relying on the Q&A, it's very misleading.

This is why I said people confusing themselves. As soon as they see change, anything and everything falls under it, when it really just means the stats won't change to something different. Crit > Det for example. I was telling people on xivpads this when they started confusing themselves about it as well.

actually just people do not understand the word STATS & Paramaters changes.

Stats of the Weapon Allagan will remain the same, just stats will be boosted to that ilvl 95, some people think stats wont changes as in it wont be boosted which is not what they, the dev, meant at all.

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

actually just people do not understand the word STATS & Paramaters changes.

Stats of the Weapon Allagan will remain the same, just stats parameters will be boosted to that ilvl 95, some people think stats wont changes as in it wont be boosted which is not what they, the dev, meant at all.

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There, now you don't look just as confusing as the official translation.

Or they could reword it to be less confusing. Maybe:

Which stats the weapons boost will not be changed, but the value of each stat will be adjusted to reflect the higher item level. We will, however, be making adjustments to some of the secondary stats the armor from the Binding Coil of Bahamut boosts in order to give players more choice.

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Originally Posted by am0n

If that's the case, they need to reword that answer. For someone who wasn't watching the live stream and relying on the Q&A, it's very misleading.

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No they don't..it was pretty clear.:

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A29: The weapons will only have their item level increase by five and the stats will not be changed. We will, however, be making adjustments to some stats on the armor that can be obtain in the Binding Coil of Bahamut.

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How..is that unclear in any fashion?

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

No they don't..it was pretty clear.:



How..is that unclear in any fashion?

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Because it's unclear?

"The weapons will only have their item level increase by five and the stats will not be changed".

Going only by that information regarding the weapons, it tells us that the weapon's stats (DMG/AA/STR/INT/DEX/etc.) all remain the same, as in +10 will still be +10 despite the weapon having a higher item level since no mention was made about increasing the parameters of the stat. Should it be infered that the parameters will change due to the ilvl increase? It should but more clarity was needed in the answer regarding weapons so as to not have people assume. The bit about armor changes on the other hand was fine however part of the confusion has to deal with nomenclature and people not being on the same page with the reps as far was what stats refers to specifically.

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Originally Posted by Kikosho

Because it's unclear?

"The weapons will only have their item level increase by five and the stats will not be changed".

Going only by that information regarding the weapons, it tells us that the weapon's stats (DMG/AA/STR/INT/DEX/etc.) all remain the same, as in +10 will still be +10 despite the weapon having a higher item level since no mention was made about increasing the parameters of the stat. Should it be infered that the parameters will change due to the ilvl increase? It should but more clarity was needed in the answer regarding weapons so as to not have people assume. The bit about armor changes on the other hand was fine however part of the confusion has to deal with nomenclature and people not being on the same page with the reps as far was what stats refers to specifically.

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It's because they used the word "change". You now think ANYTHING is a change(which is true technically), except that change means to change it to something else. Not more of the SAME. People see that and immediately jump on the "that makes no sense" wagon. Instead of thinking to themselves that BECAUSE it makes no sense, they are interpreting wrong.

WE need a Dev to step in and tell us about the changes to Armor are stats getting lowered?

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Originally Posted by Arkista

WE need a Dev to step in and tell us about the changes to Armor are stats getting lowered?

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No? They never said stats on armor were getting lowered. Stats on SOME Allagan pieces are CHANGING(NOT Weapons) so they aren't duplicates of Myth gear.

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Originally Posted by ispano

No? They never said stats on armor were getting lowered. Stats on SOME Allagan pieces are CHANGING(NOT Weapons) so they aren't duplicates of Myth gear.

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"We will, however, be making adjustments to some stats on the armor that can be obtain in the Binding Coil of Bahamut".

What like Feet? Cause they are the same stats? And if so lmao woot.

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Originally Posted by ispano

It's because they used the word "change". You now think ANYTHING is a change (which is true technically)...

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Hence, why I mentioned the need for more clarity.

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Originally Posted by ispano

No? They never said stats on armor were getting lowered. Stats on SOME Allagan pieces are CHANGING(NOT Weapons) so they aren't duplicates of Myth gear.

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To play devil's advocate, are the stats themselves changing or the parameters of the stats changing? Because they can technically reduce the amount of one secondary stat while increasing the other secondary stat and that also will be enough for differentiating between the myth equivalent. Case in point, some pieces share the same stats but one has more ACC instead of DET while the other piece has more DET instead of ACC.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

"We will, however, be making adjustments to some stats on the armor that can be obtain in the Binding Coil of Bahamut".

What like Feet? Cause they are the same stats? And if so lmao woot.

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Or things like Healer Pants, Healer Head, both are the same as Scholar Myth Pieces. Pretty sure there are others as well.

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Originally Posted by ispano

It's because they used the word "change". You now think ANYTHING is a change(which is true technically), except that change means to change it to something else. Not more of the SAME. People see that and immediately jump on the "that makes no sense" wagon. Instead of thinking to themselves that BECAUSE it makes no sense, they are interpreting wrong.

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Going from 1 to 2 is a change. 1 is not the same as 2.

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Originally Posted by ispano

Or things like Healer Pants, Healer Head, both are the same as Scholar Myth Pieces. Pretty sure there are others as well.

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Ok I hope that is what they are doing. I wonder which stats are getting changed?

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Originally Posted by Kevee

Going from 1 to 2 is a change. 1 is not the same as 2.

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But going from 1 to 2 is also an increase. You can use different words to indicate different meanings. You wouldn't use the word increase to indicate Crit changing to Determination. So, when you saw what they said, why didn't you ask yourself which it would be if they said only the ilvl was increasing? Why would the ilvl go up, but not the stats, when the quantity of stats on an item are based on the ilvl?

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Originally Posted by ispano

But going from 1 to 2 is also an increase. You can use different words to indicate different meanings. You wouldn't use the word increase to indicate Crit changing to Determination. So, when you saw what they said, why didn't you ask yourself which it would be if they said only the ilvl was increasing? Why would the ilvl go up, but not the stats, when the quantity of stats on an item are based on the ilvl?

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1) I was merely pointing out how you were wrong.
2) It was a poor choice of words for either Yoshida, or the translator.
3) iLVL only dictates stat caps, not the literal amount of stats.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

1) I was merely pointing out how you were wrong.
2) It was a poor choice of words for either Yoshida, or the translator.
3) iLVL only dictates stat caps, not the literal amount of stats.

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1) Except I really wasn't. When you think of something changing, what's more logical, changing to something else or increasing/decreasing? While both can apply, one is more logical.
2) If it's a poor choice of words, then how come many of us understood it immediately?
3) Actually, outside of NQ crafted gear. The amount of a given stat on an item is linked to the ilvl. And there's also likely a formula to determine the NQ stats based on ilvl as well.

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Originally Posted by ispano

1) Except I really wasn't. When you think of something changing, what's more logical, changing to something else or increasing/decreasing? While both can apply, one is more logical.
2) If it's a poor choice of words, then how come many of us understood it immediately?
3) Actually, outside of NQ crafted gear. The amount of a given stat on an item is linked to the ilvl. And there's also likely a formula to determine the NQ stats based on ilvl as well.

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1) You are. 1 to 2 is still a change. Period. "But it's an increase/decrease." That's a change. Don't be arrogant.
2) No, you inferred with something that agreed with your own bias.
3) No, it isn't. iLVL determines caps, it's just a "coincidence" that they put dungeon green/blue/etc gear at the caps.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

1) You are. 1 to 2 is still a change. Period. "But it's an increase/decrease." That's a change. Don't be arrogant.
2) No, you inferred with something that agreed with your own bias.
3) No, it isn't. iLVL determines caps, it's just a "coincidence" that they put dungeon green/blue/etc gear at the caps.

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Good thing pvp is comming out so you 2 can settle this... is it cross server?

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Originally Posted by Kevee

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Mel and me may have come a bit awkward where Mel can't take a hit, but i'm siding with Mel here.

Increase is a form of word used here to differenate between changing and increase, yes both are fall into same context, but what is being used here is taht They are not changing the stats of STR -> DEX they are instead increasing the Paramaters of the Stats instead. Thus the increase of ilvl.

Also you might want to look up Yoshi's intake on iLevel and why is both important to players & the Devs, is to differenate the stats that are upper level than the lower tiers.

Which means here increasing the iLevels of Allagan Weapons from 90 to 95, the stats paramaters also increase.

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Originally Posted by Marzapan

Good thing pvp is comming out so you 2 can settle this... is it cross server?

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I don't need to do that.

I can go look up "change" in the dictionary, and look at any crafted item, HQ or not.

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Originally Posted by Seirra_Lanzce

Mel and me may have come a bit awkward where Mel can't take a hit, but i'm siding with Mel here.

Increase is a form of word used here to differenate between changing and increase, yes both are fall into same context, but what is being used here is taht They are not changing the stats of STR -> DEX they are instead increasing the Paramaters of the Stats instead. Thus the increase of ilvl.

Also you might want to look up Yoshi's intake on iLevel and why is both important to players & the Devs, is to differenate the stats that are upper level than the lower tiers.

Which means here increasing the iLevels of Allagan Weapons from 90 to 95, the stats paramaters also increase.

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I have made no comment on whether the stats will be increasing, or staying the same.

Simply pointing out how that other person is wrong, and should feel bad for chastising other people when it was either Yoshida, or the translators, poor word choice.