I hate dungeons....

I have played FF for many years, since the very first Final Fantasy I have loved these titles and when I saw FFXIV ARR I was awestruck.
But this time around I wanted to craft, amble around the landscape engage a few fates, mobs and generally complete quests. After a while I found I couldn't progress in the game without doing the dungeons, I couldn't get retainers, a mount or get access to high level gathering without completing them. I was disappointed, I usually spend my gaming life enjoying the ambiance and chatting with friends alas this was not to be.

I braved the dungeons to get to 50 but hated them, people were often rude and critical and I couldn't understand why SE wanted to force me to play this way, it is so contrived and predictable. I love fates, the non dungeon quests crafting and gathering but I am out of storage, not much really sells and there is nothing to do with the little gil one does make in the game.

I still log in, do a little mining, chat to the few people who are not grinding dungeons, but to get any further I am required to continue running dungeons so I can craft the best gear etc. I feel as though I am being forced to play their way, I have no choice and no option, there is no longer any room or reason for disciple of the land or hand to exist, please SE FF is a magical franchise not a formula and as such please add to what you have accomplished so far. Please take off the shackles that bind us to the dungeons and let us acquire out rewards through our crafting and gathering endeavors.

I don't want to take away from what people obviously enjoy, I am happy they like that aspect of the game It's just that I feel like a second class citizen in Hydaelyn and I would like this to change.

I'm curious, if you already endured dungeons to get to level 50, in what ways are they still limiting your crafting/gathering/fate experience? It sounds like you've already unlocked all the content that require you to run dungeons. You should have complete freedom to only craft or gather to your hearts content now.

No what he means is the two start recipe, u cant to two star recipe without grinding token

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Originally Posted by fredtma

No what he means is the two start recipe, u cant to two star recipe without grinding token

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Sure you can, all tome items are tradable - you can simply buy them with gil.

You've played FF for many years but did not expect having to do some fighting?

Basic MMO rule Adventure class = access to 100% crafting materials.

I couldn't agree more with OP! The only reason I am still playing is I hate throwing away the money I paid for the game. Having to constantly group up in dungeons just to play the Main Story is NOT why I play MMOs, have always hated MP groups like this and tolerate them if voluntary.

MP groups are GREAT if you like that sort of stuff or have enough known players you can group with, but time and time again it's just stress filled sessions having to deal with inconsiderate people, who care less about coordination or having fun and instead revel in being jerks. Being forced to group just to play the game story is nuts. It's maddening since Square assumes they can just do this. Why even do this in the first place, why not do what other MMOs do and let MP be voluntary?

Will be uninstalling soon, hate that Square has ruined what is an otherwise awesome MMO by forcing MP dungeons on players just to get through the story. I wish I knew this before dropping $$$ on it.

I honestly can't tell if this is sarcasm or what.
>dropped money on multiplayer game
>complains about how it's forcing into multiplayer content

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Originally Posted by Lorgana

I honestly can't tell if this is sarcasm or what.
>dropped money on multiplayer game
>complains about how it's forcing into multiplayer content

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Can't tell if your being serious.

- Multiplayer means being present or playing with other players, does not mean in a group or forced grouping
- The fact you are in the same place as another player makes it multiplayer

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Originally Posted by oboboli

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Troll or not...don't let the door hit you on the way out. Don't bother coming back.

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Originally Posted by Aniond

Can't tell if your being serious.

- Multiplayer means being present or playing with other players, does not mean in a group or forced grouping
- The fact you are in the same place as another player makes it multiplayer

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there is a different between multi player games and multiplayer games, lost in the many acronyms floating around.
multi player game: game with many people playing the game in an shared overworld without any forced relation to each other. Or for easy to say a game with many players.
multiplayer game: game with many people playing together or against each other in groups or teams for an defined goal. Or for easy to say a team game.

FFXIV has a multi player part, like the overwolrd and many of that stuff, and a multiplayer part, like Dungeons, PvP, Raids, Trials.
I can fully understand that people hate it if they enjoy the first and are being forced into the later to progress the first.

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Originally Posted by oboboli

MP groups are GREAT if you like that sort of stuff or have enough known players you can group with, but time and time again it's just stress filled sessions having to deal with inconsiderate people, who care less about coordination or having fun and instead revel in being jerks. Being forced to group just to play the game story is nuts. It's maddening since Square assumes they can just do this. Why even do this in the first place, why not do what other MMOs do and let MP be voluntary?

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You... revived a nearly 5 year old thread for this?

Well, honest and blunt advice: You need run MSQ group content exactly once, and once only. Optional dungeons you can skip. And you can never return to the MSQ ones if you don't want to. After that, you can avoid group instances and effectively play the entire game solo.

If you really can't tolerate such a small amount of group play then... yes, the game probably isn't for you.

No the post is serious, I never liked MP groups, never liked them due to griefing and similar stuff that seemed to become the norm more and more. I play games to enjoy the gameworld, story and gameplay, the challenge. I DO have a damn good time playing with other players as impromptu encounters like ESO does things, but hate structured groups where human egos and stuff get in the way. I have played Elder Scrolls Online since it came out, been a sub member for most of that time, loved the game and actually loved the multiplayer PVP when you one person in an army (basically), best MP experience I have had. I just don't see why FFXIV had to do this, why make players do all these random group dungeons...none of the other MMOs listed above did. GW, GW2, RIFT and ESO don't do this.

[QUOTE=Risvertasashi;4583442]You... revived a nearly 5 year old thread for this?

...You need run MSQ group content exactly once, and once only. Optional dungeons you can skip. And you can never return to the MSQ ones if you don't want to. /QUOTE]

From what I have read, to get the mount you must play the main story quest to Lvl 30, doing that has already ran me through 3 MP dungeons.

I found this post linked below, if it's wrong please let me know..thanks.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/678...quest-dungeons

Never meant to be anything like that. I was just being honest, how is that trolling? Take care my friend, this discussion was a great example IMHO. C-Ya!

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Well, honest and blunt advice: You need run MSQ group content exactly once, and once only. Optional dungeons you can skip. And you can never return to the MSQ ones if you don't want to.

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Ill give an answer just incase someone decides to necro this thread again in another 5 years. The way this game is designed, in order to progress through the story and see all of the world the game will repeatedly put you into the position of having to clear instanced content(most of which involve some fighting). There are many instances you complete solo(some with the help of NPCs), but there are also dungeons and trials you need to clear. If you are far above the level of the dungeon or trial it is possible to clear many of them solo, but most people will clear these by joining groups. You can go with friends, or the game has a built-in match making system to put you with random players to complete your goals. While you must clear all the required instances to continue the story(and unlock more parts of the world), you only need to do each of them once. Once youve cleared a dungeon(or whatever) you dont have to go back unless you want to, and the game has many optional instances(more dungeons, trials, raids, etc) that you never even have to go near if they dont interest you. As of the current patch(4.2) there are 26 dungeons required to complete the story(ranging from level 15-70, 11 in the base game, 9 in the first expansion, and 6 so far in the second), and 21* trials to get to the same spot(10 in the base game plus you have to do 3 re-fights that i counted but arent really anything new, 4 in the first expansion with one more re-fight and 3 so far in the second).

So if being put in a position to group with others 24 times over the course of 50 levels and 285 main storyline quests(this is of course only counting the required story quests, not the hundreds of extra side quests) in the base game is too much for you - and 47 total over 70 levels and 545 quests so far counting expansions - then yes this is unfortunately probly not the game for you.

Frizze...THANKS so much for taking the time to post. Sincerely appreciated. I am going to try to stick with it, hopefully to get through the Story so I can fully enjoy the game. I just have always had a phobia about group MP gameplay, it's my problem that I avoid it but I was annoyed that to simply complete the story I had to group so often in FFXIV. It doesn't have to do with anything other than that. I have been in groups that had players that ruined the preferred friendly gameplay that should be what groups are all about and since then always avoid it, thus I normally solo all I can, even group tasks/dungeons if possible. MP play when it's open world impromptu co-op or with friends I enjoy, but forced groups with random people is just not fun for me. I always try to reach out, thanking group members, making the time spend fun, but one uber-ego grump can be a pain. Again THANKS so much, this is pretty much what I gleaned so far but your explanation was excellent. Take care :)

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Originally Posted by oboboli

I just have always had a phobia about group MP gameplay, it's my problem that I avoid it but I was annoyed that to simply complete the story I had to group so often in FFXIV.

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This game is a Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game.

There is very little to literally no solo content in this game.
Save but job quests and the small yet numerous main scenario quest/side quest line.
Ok....gathering is a solo task. Crafting (Ignoring FC workshop projects) is solo. But still - all impact other players in some form or fashion.

The whole core of this game is dungeon running/trial combat/raids/savage content/ultimate content/ and of course PVP.

The best content is gated with multiplayer content. You really cannot...will not *at least anything worthwhile right now* solo this content. In many cases 1 player isn't enough. Yes you could do most dungeons un-synched - but its content designed to be run at a specific level - its expected to be a little funny and awkward at best.

That said....if you don't consider yourself fully warned/educated as to what your walking in too...then you should turn around.

If your willing to continue adventuring forward and onward...your welcome to contact me to help alleviate your phobia.

I too don't like the random encounters and peer pressure that comes with the speed-runners/and trouble makers - but it is a way of life and its how I find great people who have helped me get where to I am today.

I still don't believe your genuine in your claims...and that this is a glorified troll - but I won't turn down a request for help regardless....because this could be just an overstated miscommunication on your part. You did however "necro" a thread and just out of the blue started making baseless accusations that SE is doing a foolish thing with "forced multiplayer" instances in a game that is specifically designed to be multiplayer. That's just crazy talk.

As we are on the same server - you are welcome to ping me if you need help.

Good luck regardless...just be prepared to face the fact this is a multiplayer game....through and through. Don't accuse SE for doing the one thing they said they do...that's just foolish.

Word of advise....learn to use party finder....learn it well. You will need to make friends. It will help you get the content cleared easier. Since you have a phobia about this sort of thing. You'd best start adapting. There are plenty of final fantasy games out there that are single player. No one said you had to play this one. If you invested money into it...then at least give it the shot it deserves. It is worth it...in my opinion.

blablabla, this is an MMORPG not single player game. You dont need to run dungeons if u dont like them, after u get your msq done, u dont need to run any dungeons to buy materials for crafting, just buy the mats off from MB. If u feel this isnt your game mod, than move on and play other games. Play BDO you dont need to run dungeons, you can life skill till rest of your life, you only need kill mobs for gathering and processe them for crafting materials.

It's fine to enjoy quests, exploring, gathering, etc but dislike dungeons. It's a valid opinion. It always seems to trigger dozens of these replies "this is an mmo. m is multiplayer. go play a different game." We don't need to be this dismissive of people. Yes there is a linear progression in this game. At some points you're asked to do a certain dungeon once ever, then you continue onward to more solo stuff.

I agree that MMOs should be very open with multiple ways to progress. Lots of people dislike the msq for various reasons like forced grouping, questing, cutscenes, etc. People join MMOs for various reasons and there may be certain kinds of content they are not interested in. FF XIV was designed with that msq backbone being mandatory and it would be difficult to change.

People are less hostile once you have your footing and are not slowing them down. It's a shame how some new players are treated but if you can get past the hurdles there's a great experience waiting.

If you have a squad lv max. You can do on lv1-50 dungeons with npcs and not with players but you need seals for that.

I think the OP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ this thread.

Holy necro thread, Batman

But for anyone who does feel like the OP and is frustrated with not being able to progress in crafting and gathering without adventuring, EQII doesn't have this limitation. It was very fun to sneak around high level areas as a low level adventurer but a high level gatherer. The only drawbacks there are that nodes are shared among everyone instead of being personal and you're limited in your classes so you need alts.

Based on the OP's comments about ESO, I don't think they're trolling. ESO is fantastic. I love the fact that I can go through content solo. I also love the fact that the dungeons aren't instanced, and you can simply run into random players while you're doing it. However, I feel as if the reason ESO's adventuring style is done this way, is because it's based off of a series of single player games, and is the first multiplayer installment. Where as FFXIV is not SE's first online multiplayer game. FFXIV is purely multiplayer. It's not really a game that you can get through solo, and that's intentional. I personally love being put in dungeon encounters with random people. It helps me be more sociable, and it allows me to meet awesome people along the way. Sure, you're going to have some bad experiences in dungeons, but that's to be expected. It's just like life. Not everyone you say hello to as you're walking down the street will want to return your greeting. I can understand why the OP dislikes this, but I have to disagree with the statement "SE has ruined this experience". This is a gaming experience meant for interacting with other players. If you don't like it, you can't really blame the developers for your lack of interest to engage in the content. If you don't like it, that's perfectly fine. That doesn't mean it's a poorly designed game.

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FFXIV is not purely multi-player - no Quest Hub MMO is.

The biggest reason why people try to Power Level to max level is to skip the [predominantly] single player leveling experience and get to social gaming (where the majority of players are huddled in any MMO older than a year or so), which is literally the only reason to play FFXIV over The Witcher III: Wild Hunt.

ESO's community is much better than in this game, as well. I felt a lot more welcome there than in FFXIV, where you're simply ignored... even after joining most Free Companies. They're incredibly cliquey. I used to complain about this in WoW, but the FFXIV player base takes this to a completely different stratosphere. It really turned me off from the game, among other things (like the ridiculous queue times - honestly the worst I've ever experienced in an MMO on DPS -or- healer).

If people hate Dungeons based mmo they should try maybe something like Morrowin Online, not as much repetition, a few dungeons here and there, some big some short, however it is a lot harder and will really begin to understand how easy they have it in FF series.

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You my friend with these types of comments are the reason a lot of people have nothing but bad things to say about the community. I get MMO's are a great place for people lacking social skills but maybe you should worry less about someones opinion of a game and more about that..

lil friendly .02 cents for ya.

There are many different types of players in the game and many people who have different phobias. I do not agree with people negatively putting someone down or telling them to leave because they have a request to make the game more enjoyable (from their perspective). Everyone has an opinion and everyone has a choice whether to kick someone to the ground when they express this opinion, or pick them back up. Again, everyone has a choice. I hope the OP finds some enjoyment and meets wonderful people in this game.

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Originally Posted by NephthysVasudan

0The whole core of this game is dungeon running/trial combat/raids/savage content/ultimate content/ and of course PVP.

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I thought the core of this game was talking in various chats doing whatever random task you would like to do. I spend a day doing triple triad, chocobo racing, GATE's and my daily cactpot. Oh LalaCouch on Hyperion for Jumbo Saturdays. I think I have done one Savage Raid. A1S and that was just purely for light during 3.5. Oh and fates... love that stuff. I have my friendly chocobo who is incredibly loyal and never talks back. I give him some carrots from time to time but otherwise he is just content to be pecking. He does die sometimes but greens cures all of that and he never tells me how much I suck while I demolish, twin snakes, and dragon kick my way to Mantra.

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I thought the core of this game was talking in various chats doing whatever random task you would like to do. I spend a day doing triple triad, chocobo racing, GATE's and my daily cactpot. Oh LalaCouch on Hyperion for Jumbo Saturdays. I think I have done one Savage Raid. A1S and that was just purely for light during 3.5. Oh and fates... love that stuff. I have my friendly chocobo who is incredibly loyal and never talks back. I give him some carrots from time to time but otherwise he is just content to be pecking.

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Depends on the player. There's plenty of ways to play, and one isn't less valid than the other (unless you're like, breaking rules or something).

So our thread necromancer can play the game mostly solo if he wants. He just has to get through some one time instances, but as mentioned repeatedly, then he never has to return. And everyone else is free to use instances as much or as little (barring the one time clears) as they like.

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Depends on the player. There's plenty of ways to play, and one isn't less valid than the other (unless you're like, breaking rules or something).

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ugh.................

u know i agree se failed and copyed blizzard they should of went with more of a ff11 type of thing were its NOT a scripted encounter lol

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Originally Posted by Wintersandman

ugh.................

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Well, there is a noticeable botting population. Can't really say I approve, even if SE's lackluster enforcement means they get away with it...

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Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

Well, there is a noticeable botting population. Can't really say I approve, even if SE's lackluster enforcement means they get away with it...

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I was more saying Ugh because while I agree with 100% of what you said you missed the sarcasm in my response and don't know why you responded to me versus the person who was stating the core of this game is party content.

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I have to disagree. I do like really ESO, and the community is nice, but I feel as if I get ignored more there since most of the content is soloable. To each their own I suppose. Overall I greatly enjoy the experience of ESO and FFXIV pretty much equally.

I agree also there ^
Liked Eso but i did feel alone as well and i was late into the game so to say for joining in on that game
Tera Online since it is coming to console i am anxious for, i really enjoyed the technical test before xmas

I do agree with the op. I played another mmo for 5 years and raided hardcore with NA 1st/NA 2nd guilds but I've always felt that casuals and non raiders (pvp only players) should be able to progress, and in this case I feel the same for players who don't want to run dungeons. I don't feel like if I have to do things a certain way, then everyone else has to do things the same way. I don't see any issues with making msq completely doable solo while making dungeons more optional/sidequest. I love to raid and I love dungeons so even if the dungeons aren't woven into MSQ I will still run them constantly. It's an mmo GAME let people play how they want.

edit: I was just talking to a friend who was complaining about the bad players in dungeons- tanks that have aggro issues, dps players that don't know their rotations can't avoid easy mechanics, etc, so I'm thinking if people are complaining about these types of players, why would we force someone who is obviously uncomfortable to que dungeons with us? It doesn't affect you or me negatively if they don't que dungeons and if they are happy playing other parts of the game such as crafting, etc.

As soon as they make all content soloable is the day this game dies... it would be far more efficient to run content for loots solo than having to compete for it... and if anything the meta has taught us people will go for fast and easy first... at which point why bother doing content?

Why did we necro a 5 year old thread?

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Originally Posted by Veliena

Why did we necro a 5 year old thread?

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Serious and literal answer? Someone did a search, and it took them to this thread...

Probably didn't look at the date, or something.