Crystal Tower should let us gear up our alts.

For real, one item and you only make it available through DF? We are going to spend a bunch of time refilling our ranks after every single boss when people drop once they get their item.

Another thing, its funny, when the game first came out and people came on the forums saying "This game had something that would make FFXIV better" and the white knights would freak out and scream "THIS ISNT WOW QUIT TRYING TO MAKE IT THAT WAY". Now people come on here and complain about the lockouts and the white knight agrument of the day is "All other MMO's do it, and thats the way it should be". It cracks me up.

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I made an argument similar to this and was met with selective reading, all I got was u don't like CT or u don't do any content or this and that I think a lock out on CT is stupid, between the time cap and coil lock out if I had to gear my upcoming alts plus my main it would be months still and I think that's stretching it pretty good. But Se wants your money and people will come on here saying stupid trolling things lol

Depending on how it is on the JP forums, they could always change it before launch...

You never know. I'll wait until next week to continue complaining.

I agree. Only highest tier gear should (if any at all, I can argue for that aswell, but in all honestly, that would make so that alot of people only would pay for 1 month every 3 months) have a lock out. No reason to give iLvl 80 gear lockout. It does after all serve as a stepping stone into coil, so let it serve it's role instand of being a complement to your coil gear.

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I agree. Only highest tier gear should (if any at all, I can argue for that aswell, but in all honestly, that would make so that alot of people only would pay for 1 month every 3 months) have a lock out. No reason to give iLvl 80 gear lockout. It does after all serve as a stepping stone into coil, so let it serve it's role instand of being a complement to your coil gear.

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I dont mind a lockout on the instance at all. I actually think a three day lockout wouldnt be bad at all. I do think limiting the gear while your inside the instance is a really stupid idea.

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I dont mind a lockout on the instance at all. I actually think a three day lockout wouldnt be bad at all. I do think limiting the gear while your inside the instance is a really stupid idea.

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Ok, I stand by my point though. No idea to lock out CT. It shall serve to give you gear for coil as it was originally meant to :). A 3 day lock out sounds ok though. The best part with the 1 item per week thing though is that you can pick which item you want! You can pass on everything until that specific item you want drops.

6 sets x 5 pieces of gear* = 30 pieces of gear / 14** weeks = 2.14 pieces of gear per week to make the content last until 2.2.

However to last between now and 2.2 one would have to want all 6 sets of gear, which most don't. The way it's set up you get 1 piece every week, and you will be able to get ~3 full sets between now and 2.2. This is perfectly paced for most people. Especially when you look at the dual purpose sets of Tanks, Heals, and Magic DPS, you can cover 6/9 jobs (at max efficiency) in full i80 before 2.2.

* = Accessories at i80 will be pointless, 1 i90 accessory a week from XM Primals, 1 i90 accessory a week from Myth tomes, so 5 pieces of gear per set that matter.

** = Roughly amount of planned time between 2.1 and 2.2

TL;DR: The pace is probably constructed precisely to last 3 months until 2.2 for a majority of people. If it's not fast enough for you, you are likely in the minority.

This is what bothers me the most about the Lockout on Crystal Tower gear.... I want to do this on my MNK which is 9/11 ilvl90. I want all the gear for MNK, In fact I want every piece for every job ^^. What sucks is we can run the content as much as we'd like but once we get a piece of gear and We're locked out it hits the floor. Like how many people are really going to roll Greed on a piece of gear? There is going to be so much gear that hits the floor its a waste. I really hope enough people complain about this stupid 1 week lockout and they change it to 72hrs.

If they are going to have a lockout in CT it should be a per boss lockout so people aren't inclined to leave after they get an item. That way you can kill all 4 bosses.

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If they are going to have a lockout in CT it should be a per boss lockout so people aren't inclined to leave after they get an item. That way you can kill all 4 bosses.

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Run 1: I get my item from final boss.
Run 2: I get nothing from first 3 bosses, ditch.


This wouldn't solve the problem. Nothing CAN solve the problem because people are jerks and will do whatever they can behind the anonymity of the internet.

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broad assumption

because the Devs made it that way and your unhappy automatically makes your opinion invalid (because your opinion is part of the minority)

I understand the logic but the fact of the matter remains. I can obtain more loot in coil which i90 and has a 1 week lock out while CT gives i80 and has a 1 week lock out on loot

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Just because you can doesn't mean you will. CT is designed so that you will get an item every week if you put the time into it. CT is designed so that you might if the gods are on your side, it drops, and you roll high.

Where you see bad design I see a fair way to make lower tier raids worth doing for alts, and take up a decent amount of time for most people.

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but for what when clearly with i70 gear you can do Turn 1-4 and Myth gear granting you a piece every week coming patch 2.1
people can completely ignore CT.

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You can, I can, not everyone can. This gives them a little extra boost, and that's okay.

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Now we have a dungeon where half your party will drop when you clear a specific boss (they didn't win lot, their item didn't drop or they got it and they don't care for the rest)

Great design

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You can't stop people from being jerks when they are anonymous. No matter what the system was, they would still do it.

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broad assumption

because the Devs made it that way and your unhappy automatically makes your opinion invalid (because your opinion is part of the minority)

I understand the logic but the fact of the matter remains. I can obtain more loot in coil which i90 and has a 1 week lock out while CT gives i80 and has a 1 week lock out on loot

its plain bad design

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Where you see bad design I see a fair way to make lower tier raids worth doing for alts, and take up a decent amount of time for most people.

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but for what when clearly with i70 gear you can do Turn 1-4 and Myth gear granting you a piece every week coming patch 2.1
people can completely ignore CT.

The problem is they are locking gear that isn't amazing for the sake of prolonging the content which is a lame excuse.

Now we have a dungeon where half your party will drop when you clear a specific boss (they didn't win lot, their item didn't drop or they got it and they don't care for the rest)

Great design

doesn't matter when ilvl70 is all you need to do anything in the game.

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I would totally be cool with a short lockout on CT to prevent people from going crazy running it 30 times a day and gearing out 7 jobs in two weeks. Something like 2-3 days would have been totally reasonable, and would have kept me (and others) making forays into CT throughout the week, but not enough to get completely sick of it.

But a single piece per week is total bullshit and a really cheesy way of trying to extend the life of the content.

I made an argument similar to this and was met with selective reading, all I got was u don't like CT or u don't do any content or this and that I think a lock out on CT is stupid, between the time cap and coil lock out if I had to gear my upcoming alts plus my main it would be months still and I think that's stretching it pretty good. But Se wants your money and people will come on here saying stupid trolling things lol

loot lockout per class is what they shouldve done.

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The problem with this is that CT gear is not best in slot, and in tandem with CT you will be getting coil loot as well as myth tome loot. Since they're increasing the cap you will get myth gear faster, and over time CT gear becomes increasingly redundant even in the 5 slots you took into account. You also assume the RNG gods will drop the gear they are waiting for, if that was the case I'd be full allagan by now.

There is no point on putting a loot lockout on gear that is not best in slot, since it is not end-game so there is nothing to extend the life of. No one is going to gear in CT before attempting coil when darklight gear is fine for 1-4, so it will be skipped in terms of progression and treated as a bonus. It doesn't make sense especially when Yoshida explicitly said it would be alt fodder for the i90 people, they will be possibly getting i90 gear faster than CT gear.