So, I finished doing stuff on my WHM for a while and rolled an archer/bard. Let me just say that I feel sorry for DPS in DF. Most of the tanks I have dealt with bail as soon as something doesn't go their way, and then they get to pick right back up into another instance faster than we get a new tank. And when we do get a new tank, most of those leave if we're not at the last boss.
I think that I will level a tank. I think that you should be able to passively level alts through whatever role you are playing. I will play a nice tank who helps people, and in return, I get to level my alt jobs so I can enjoy content at higher levels without having to grind with these A-types.
End rant. Just ranting. That's all. If you are one of these tanks, you make me sad.
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12-12-2013, 05:29 AMJyoeruAbout DF Tanks
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12-12-2013, 05:34 AMNarcissus
I am tank, I am in demand, I do as I please.
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12-12-2013, 05:40 AMHeroicbanditI am a tank, and well aware of the demand. I am also patient and unless the group just isn't going to happen, don't bail. That being said, you give tanks a bad name.Quote:
Originally Posted by Narcissus
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12-12-2013, 05:41 AMArtemiz
Some people are annoying
Some people level tank jobs
Annoying people + Tank Job = Eye rolling
Well at least that's the math done anyway. -
12-12-2013, 05:52 AMMakior72
I've only bailed on 2 groups ever.... the first one everyone started throwing out personal insults to the rest of the party cause we died on garuda HM. I dont tolerate un needed drama so I left. The other was a group from my own server advertising a speed run for AP and needing a tank. I joined and saw 2 melee dps and a healer. Decided to give it a go anyway. 25 mins later we haven't even cleared ads on the way to first boss, cause healer was dpsing and the actual dps were..... well I don't rightly know what the hell they were doing, but very little died. So I left.
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12-12-2013, 05:58 AMSeezur_Undies
I main as a WHM, and started leveling a PLD because of the attitude tanks have(not all tanks, I have come across a few great tanks that weren't 'holier than thou') I left once from a DF and that was because the bard decided he wanted to tank because i was explaining to an FC member how to handle some mobs and he proceeded to tell me 'if she doesnt know the fights, let her ass wipe, she will learn'
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12-12-2013, 06:01 AMLuthia
TC you seem to misunderstand how df works. If tank bails on a group and its the first to do so he will get a 15m penalty.
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12-12-2013, 06:16 AMLiadansWhisperAnd?Quote:
Originally Posted by Luthia
It's not like there's anything else to do in this game, nope. -
12-12-2013, 06:18 AMRemneven so after the panalty tank can get almsot instant DF queue. however waiting for tank replacement could take 20 min plus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luthia
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12-12-2013, 06:21 AMRyios
Feel better now? Didn't think so.
This is an MMO. The duty finder is a luxury item. You don't have to use it nor is it a necessity, You can form a premade and que with people you know and not take the risk of getting some impatient rude person.
When you pug, you always run the risk of getting some trash people, duty finder or not. If you can't handle it then don't que by yourself, find some friends. -
12-12-2013, 06:23 AMBattlewrench
Was in a pug with a premade and they asked a tank buddy to help with ak. Tank buddy in party chat asked him why he was doing an ak run, the guy wanted a healer ring. Tank says they should leave after it doesn't drop in front of me and the other pug DPS. I didn't say anything and just finished the run but what a jerk right? Luckily the healer wanted myth tomes as well.
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12-12-2013, 06:30 AMJyoeruI mean, yeah, this is true and all, but this game isn't designed as well as others for putting your own group together. We don't have capital city chat, and are hardly connected to the entire world. Only its segments. So, yeah, you're right, but you're not as right as the finality of your sentiments indicate. Thanks for your attitude though! I always appreciate the flamers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryios
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12-12-2013, 06:36 AMLatarma
i know this is talking about df tanks however I've seen it cut the other way. I've seen dps and healers bail if things don't do there way. the simple matters is some people regardless of there role tank, healer or dps will bail if the DF group is not moving the way they think it should. As some one said in a different post or thread people need to understand the DF groups will behave differently then premades. personal y on my tank I will stay with a df group for as long as it takes unless the groups as whole say ok we done here.
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12-12-2013, 06:41 AMJohnist
I keep having horrible tanks in WP... Fresh 50s who try to speed run... experienced ones who try to speed run... with a Monk and Dragoon or 2 Dragoons... a minorly geared one who queued with a summoner and chews out the whm for not holying when they try to lock-out/not wait for MP recharge/needing to keep his paper rear healed since he isn't popping cooldowns well...
Yeah, from here on out I'll wait until Thursday-Saturday to do DF tanks... those see smarter than the Monday and Tuesday ones... -
12-12-2013, 06:42 AMDoo
I feel sorry for all the good tanks that have to deal with all the bad players in DF.
This game is full of bad dds that attack wrong mobs and use limit break just because it looks cool. -
12-12-2013, 06:49 AMVeloxI'm glad someone else has noticed this. I think the mad Myth-rush after reset causes all the faceroll players to emerge from their week-long hibernation sessions. My parties towards the end of the week are 90% cleaner, more efficient, and overall pleasant personality-wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnist
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12-12-2013, 06:50 AMSeezur_Undies
Not a DF tank, but i was helping a friend and her FC with Hydra and we were short a tank, i asked someone in my old FC if he would help, he said yes, and then immediately started berating the party due to them being slightly under geared (all had a few DL pieces mixed in with there AF and some AK/WP gear) needless to say, my friends were slightly upset at him and decided to not run with him, a few days later he berated me and went as far as telling me i need to uninstall the game and stick to single player games (later i found out my PC sucked and promply upgraded it) because i had difficulty with titan HM. Tanks come with all sorts of attitudes, most are d-bags, cause they know they can leave and after the lockout, insta cue. there are a few rare ones out there and i have some across some.
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12-12-2013, 06:52 AMVersiroth
The only one I bailed on was a troll job. First, one of the DPS pulls Ifrit (HM mode) when we first spawns and we wipe. The person says "Oh, sorry!" and someone else says "LOL, that was awesome". And then on the second attempt, the healer doesn't cast any spells and then claims "My healing spells wouldn't work". I got the impression some FC was trying to have a laugh so I left.
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12-12-2013, 06:57 AMDhalmel
I've only bailed from a party once when when a healer and blm were blatantly causing trouble. The trolls I've encountered are usually french( >_> no offense)
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12-12-2013, 07:19 AMDhexWhy not roll a tank and try doing a few runs in the Duty Finder?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jyoeru
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12-12-2013, 07:22 AMZarien
I'm still learning how to play my role as a tank and because my FC is fairly small (though I'm in a larger LS) I generally run everything through DF. I've had mixed experiences with it, but I've never had people bail on me. There was an instance where someone got loot, and they were unresponsive for quite some time so I proceeded into the boss room. Of course I got slurred at, but hey they didn't say they'd be gone and they were given ample time to switch to the gear they looted if that's what was going on.
In any case, the only time I've ever had to abandon a duty was in learning the fight against Titan. One of our DPS's kind of lost it after the third wipe (despite the fact that we kept getting better with each attempt). We were all learning the fight except for the dps it seemed. Either way the other two players were very nice and understanding of the situation, and actually complemented me on my tanking (which is always a plus).
Despite what I've read in the forums, I make sure that I let people know whether it's my first time running a dungeon or not, and offer whatever help I can for first timers. I find that communicating what the needs of the party are at the beginning help make a dungeon run all the smoother. There are times where there is a language barrier (despite region settings and all that), or some players just aren't inclined to speak much.
Overall I haven't had anything I'd call a bad experience. I always ask if there are ways I can improve, or if I should change the way I currently do things. As a tank it's easy to be versatile and we do kind of set the pace for progression.
TL;DR
It pays to be patient and to communicate. -
12-12-2013, 07:57 AMGucci_Charms
How about:
A) Don't be an ass to your tank.
B) Don't tell them how to play their class.
C) Only explain the instance if it is the tank's first time rather than be an ass to him.
By doing these three things, maybe your DF tank will not leave next time.
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12-12-2013, 08:01 AMsaber_alterA) I treat others how i want to be treated, unless they want to be treated differently and act like the typical ass-hole tank or act holier-than-thou.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gucci_Charms
B) Only if they know how to play their class, or are stubborn.
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12-12-2013, 08:03 AMGucci_CharmsMy hero :3Quote:
Originally Posted by saber_alter
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12-12-2013, 09:27 AMJyoeruYeah, tanks get some problems too. Fair enough. But not quite the same issue as what I have seen coming from them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doo
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12-12-2013, 09:32 AMJyoeru
[QUOTE=Gucci_Charms;1650344]How about:
A) Don't be an ass to your tank.
B) Don't tell them how to play their class.
C) Only explain the instance if it is the tank's first time rather than be an ass to him.
While this does happen I am sure, that has nothing to do with me or my runs. As a healer main, I know all about that type of elitism, and it's usually the tanks who throw that out there. They tend to have WAY more experience than the DD because of their ability to run dungeon after dungeon. I kinda have that experience because I ran them all as a WHM first. In either case, this accusation had nothing to do with my complaint. Thanks for the heads up, though! -
12-12-2013, 09:35 AMSunarie
And as a tank you're going to run into rude DPS who insult you for pulling things not their way, accidentally pulling because you didn't see someone type "afk" right away, losing aggro when they unload into a mob before you've even had a chance to get within melee range, not pulling fast enough, or not pulling slow enough.
As a healer you're going to put up with crap too. There are just some crap attitudes in the duty finder, regardless of which role you fill. I've ran into more jerks on my Tank than I have my DPS. That doesn't prove, or disprove anything other than experiences vary and jerks fill all sorts of shoes. -
12-12-2013, 09:41 AMDooI dunno, as a tank I've seen plenty of bad players playing all roles. It's just more noticeable because it's easy to spot a bad tank. If a dd does bad, he just does less dmg. Also seems like more bad Wars than Plds usually.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jyoeru
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12-12-2013, 09:48 AMyamfaceluxury????Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryios