Materia + catalysts! Keep them Disciple of the Land only!

With the mention of them being "obtained through gathering" I am sure hoping this means gathering classes, botony, mining, fishing, and NOT just any old farming.

So like this if you are for keeping these among the 3 classes who will give them even more of a purpose/role with this upcoming system.


Please dont let those deaspected crystals be the catalyst!

No.............

Either way, unless exquisite attention to protecting the economic interests of gatherers is paid we're ****ed. 99% of all gathered materials are already over-produced. This will triple the degree of that universal problem unless they take drastic measures to think about what they're about to do.

The botcrafters will just LOVE it though.

Deaspected Crystals have to do with the Seventh Umbral Era as they were mentioned in the letter about the signs of the new era.

Also, they appeared way before Yoshida even mentioned the Materia system + they probably barely knocked out the specifics of the system this past week.

Wont happen. Gathering classes will be able to obtain them "perhaps in wider variaty than others, or specific materia can only be gathered" But them exclusively obtaining them will never happen.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Wont happen. Gathering classes will be able to obtain them "perhaps in wider variaty than others, or specific materia can only be gathered" But them exclusively obtaining them will never happen.

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Now that is spoken like a true non-gatherer.
Crab bow+3s should drop off R75 qiqirn mobs TBQH. Can't have crafters makin an exclusive product and all!

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Wont happen. Gathering classes will be able to obtain them "perhaps in wider variaty than others, or specific materia can only be gathered" But them exclusively obtaining them will never happen.

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well far as what they said,

people create materia by forming affection for an item

get some cataylysts that gathers will get

and bring it to a crafter to craft into the item, no chance of fail

so it looks like that part of the process will be gatherer exclusive, i think the idea is that all classes have some level of power in the materia junctioning process

I wanted it to be disciple of land specific as well, and also class specific. Different ones obtainable from fishing than from botany for example.

I agree it should be DoL only, have said so since I first saw the idea.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Now that is spoken like a true non-gatherer.

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I'm a lvl 43 botanist thank you.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Crab bow+3s should drop off R75 qiqirn mobs TBQH. Can't have crafters makin an exclusive product and all!

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Failed logic has failed. There is alleady equipment available from monster drops, materia wont be any different.

Catalysts will only be obtainable via gathering methods.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Catalysts will only be obtainable via gathering methods.

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Thanks for the Confirmation Bayohne!

but I belive there will not be any overprice of catalysts if all can do gathering or we are now stuck with the class we choise ?

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Catalysts will only be obtainable via gathering methods.

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W00T, thanks Bayohne, man you're been on a roll lately.

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

but I belive there will not be any overprice of catalysts if all can do gathering or we are now stuck with the class we choise ?

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You will still be able to pick other classes.

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

You will still be able to pick other classes.

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so what is the different with the new armory system ?

The way the materia explanation was worded, it detailed how all class types have a role in the materia creation process.

Battle classes make the materia from gear and weapons
Harvesters get the catalyst
Crafters infuse gear with the materia using the catalyst.

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Originally Posted by Shneibel

so what is the different with the new armory system ?

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Originally Posted by Akihiko Matsui

Armoury System

• Classes

  Actions will undergo major revisions, along with both the underlying mechanics and conditions.
  
  By major revisions, not only do we mean the tweaking of effects and potency of existing actions - we will work from the ground up to redesign and reassign actions based on clearly identified class roles.
  
  We will also make a number of changes as part of our reexamination of how actions are equipped and the character requirements for doing so. First, actions learned by each class will be set to the action bar by default when playing as that class. Also, we will be making some actions settable on any class, while other "class-defining" actions obtained at higher ranks will be usable only by that class.

• Jobs

  The job system - that series-defining trademark - will be implemented in FINAL FANTASY XIV (details such as specific jobs TBA). Quests to unlock each job will become available once you have reached a certain rank in the corresponding class.
  Rather than being advanced versions of classes, we would like players to think of jobs as specialized playing styles optimized for partying. While playing as a particular job will render you unable to equip certain actions of other classes, you will be compensated with access to exclusive actions, which can be acquired through quests.
  
  In practice, players will find the existing classes effective when playing solo or in certain party setups. Jobs, however, will shine in party situations where specific skill sets are demanded. Now, you didn’t hear this from me, but there are also rumors circulating that quests for obtaining job-exclusive equipment are also in the pipes.
  We at the development team are currently hard at work on the job system, and expect to have details to share with you soon.

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So basically much won't change with Armoury System, other than changing a few skills.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

The way the materia explanation was worded, it detailed how all class types have a role in the materia creation process.

Battle classes make the materia from gear and weapons
Harvesters get the catalyst
Crafters infuse gear with the materia using the catalyst.

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Or what this guy said if that's what you were talking about. +1

Also, do catalysts come from nodes only and not free-fishing? They need to be node-exclusive.

Free-fishing has a ton of botters. I'm sure there are bots that can do the nodes of fishing/botany/mining but its a lot less common than the free-fishing bots.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

With the mention of them being "obtained through gathering" I am sure hoping this means gathering classes, botony, mining, fishing, and NOT just any old farming.

So like this if you are for keeping these among the 3 classes who will give them even more of a purpose/role with this upcoming system.


Please dont let those deaspected crystals be the catalyst!

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Honestly I think for something like that everyone should have a way to obtain it without having to rely on few classes one could haven't even touch yet. Else we go back to old mmos habits where you were forced to exp a dwarf to spoil stuff. You don't give a class the attenction it deserves by forcing the need of it :(

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

Keep Catalysts Disciple of the Land only! !

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Wont happen. Gathering classes will be able to obtain them "perhaps in wider variaty than others, or specific materia can only be gathered" But them exclusively obtaining them will never happen.

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Catalysts will only be obtainable via gathering methods.

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That's some epic egg.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

That's some epic egg.

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I was responding to Both Materia + Catalysts. Sorry if you missread that but I'm still correct.

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Else we go back to old mmos habits where you were forced to exp a dwarf to spoil stuff.

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Or you know, talk to people in your linkshell that gather as a main profession, or maybe take up the market wards? MMOs are based on interaction with other people, its not that difficult. All the loners wanna be self efficient.

Jynx gatherers are only gping to be farming the catalysts for the materia system. The player themselves will be creating the materia through use of their equipment and crafters will be binding the item + materia + catalyst the community reps explained this in detail .....

Indeed I understand this. The question in the OP was "Please let Materia + Catalysts be gathering only" and I responded to that question. The simple answer was both will not be gathering exclusive.

Thankfully the community rep came in and cleared the issue up as to wether catalysts would be exclusivley gathered or not. I'm still curious as to how we will obtain catalysts, hopefully some new form of gathering because otherwise we are going to see a massive flood of raw materials into the market.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

I was responding to Both Materia + Catalysts. Sorry if you missread that but I'm still correct.

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Whatever you have to tell yourself.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Whatever you have to tell yourself.

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Considering the rep answered the question its safe to say Jynx was right....but whatever you have to tell yourself.

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Originally Posted by Lionheart

Honestly I think for something like that everyone should have a way to obtain it without having to rely on few classes one could haven't even touch yet. Else we go back to old mmos habits where you were forced to exp a dwarf to spoil stuff. You don't give a class the attenction it deserves by forcing the need of it :(

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Thats like saying battle classes should be able to make their own gear though since crafters can. This would actually make gatherers have a use, which they currently dont.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Whatever you have to tell yourself.

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No need to get yourself in a twist about it. Not that I care anyways, the point is that Materia will not be gathered exclusively by gatherers or maybe not at all. Chances are we will be only gathering catalysts. Hopefully they allow us to turn out weapons into materia as well I'd love to get something to put on a new hatchet that isn't +Str.

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Originally Posted by Mack

Considering the rep answered the question its safe to say Jynx was right....but whatever you have to tell yourself.

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Not sure how logic actually works in some of your all's worlds out there. In this one, the rep pwned him.

If he really was saying that materia will never be gathering only, a more appropriate response would have been materia isn't obtained from gathering at all, and cataylsts are only gained through gathering.

There was never any real question whether or not materia was going to be gathering only. That part of the question wasn't even made with the correct assumptions, and should have never been responded to as if it was.

I chuckled though. Got to pick your bold claims better than that.

I will just toss my two cents in. I really dig the materia system concept, and especially the fact that each of the class types play an active part in the creation of materia. As a crafter and a battle class I have no problems with various components of the overall process being specific to say DOL vs DOW/DOW vs DOH.

I do enjoy reading all the points of view on what parts to keep specific to what types of classes, but it seems almost trivial since WE can all be these types of classes. ...Okay so DOH might have a leg up if the system isn't changed. I really don't see the problem since anyone and i mean anyone can be a crafter. Just like anyone can go buy an axe/pickaxe /fishing rod and be a gatherer.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Not sure how logic actually works in some of your all's worlds out there. In this one, the rep pwned him.

If he really was saying that materia will never be gathering only, a more appropriate response would have been materia isn't obtained from gathering at all, and cataylsts are only gained through gathering.

There was never any real question whether or not materia was going to be gathering only. That part of the question wasn't even made with the correct assumptions, and should have never been responded to as if it was.

I chuckled though. Got to pick your bold claims better than that.

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Honestly I wasn't following you guys' conversation I was just bored lol.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

There was never any real question whether or not materia was going to be gathering only. That part of the question wasn't even made with the correct assumptions, and should have never been responded to as if it was.

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Thread name:Materia + Catalysts! Keep them Disciple of the land only!

It seems the TC thought that Materia would be obtained by DoL only, and I pointed that out to them it was never going to be the case. We knew nothing about Catalysts aside from them saying they would be gathered, so I didn't comment on them. I still don't get how what I said has anything to do with being "Owned" by the rep. I stated clearly that I know that Materia would never be obtained by soley DoL. Eh whatever not worth argueing about anyways.

I really want more information on the system as a whole though.
-Will higher ranked gatherers get better catalysts?
-What is the process of obtaining them?
-Are there any benifits to gathering them aside from selling them?
-How will Catalysts effect the materia process as a whole?

I guess we just need to wait and see what they tell us.

Yes for this. Gatherers can be even more useful. .)

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Indeed I understand this. The question in the OP was "Please let Materia + Catalysts be gathering only" and I responded to that question. The simple answer was both will not be gathering exclusive.

Thankfully the community rep came in and cleared the issue up as to wether catalysts would be exclusivley gathered or not. I'm still curious as to how we will obtain catalysts, hopefully some new form of gathering because otherwise we are going to see a massive flood of raw materials into the market.

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ok so i reread what i wrote

it wasnt meant to be Materia AND catalysts gathering only

but the materia system: catalysts(if that makes more sense)

i know the materia will be available elsewhere, i was mainly talking about catalysts

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Originally Posted by Jynx

Thread name:Materia + Catalysts! Keep them Disciple of the land only!

It seems the TC thought that Materia would be obtained by DoL only, and I pointed that out to them it was never going to be the case. We knew nothing about Catalysts aside from them saying they would be gathered, so I didn't comment on them. I still don't get how what I said has anything to do with being "Owned" by the rep. I stated clearly that I know that Materia would never be obtained by soley DoL. Eh whatever not worth argueing about anyways.

I really want more information on the system as a whole though.
-Will higher ranked gatherers get better catalysts?
-What is the process of obtaining them?
-Are there any benifits to gathering them aside from selling them?
-How will Catalysts effect the materia process as a whole?

I guess we just need to wait and see what they tell us.

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The only thing I care about is that Catalysts should be somewhat "rare". Not rare in where you had to gather for 5h+ to get one Catalyst, but rare enough so there is actually a point for gatherers to get them. I hate what they did with Guild Marks on DoH...I mean, at the start it was way too horrible, totally agree with that, I had my crafts at 30+ before I got my first training(only cause of the 2 Class Quests lol), then the first patch came that increased the chance to get Marks, which made the System completely fine IMO. But THEN they increased the chance even more which made the whole purpose of Marks broken. Honestly...with the amount of marks you get now, they could have made the Trainings and Abilities for DoH purchasable with Gil even...cause there is no way you won't get all your trainings and abilitites before you hit R50 anyway <.< There was nothing wrong with the amount of Marks after the first patch, now it's just completely useless.

I'm thinking since it's been said elsewhere that there will be restrictions on what materia can be used in what weapons (possibly based on rank or stats) that Catalysts might be no different. There may be catalysts used for specific rank ranges (1-10, 11-20, etc...). This would make sense as where do you draw the line to start obtaining them otherwise? If it's just a single item that's the same for all, would you make it an Rank 5 node specific item? What about newer gatherers? They can't participate in the market otherwise.

now you want to force everyone to play DoL?

I didn't pay the monthly fee (in future) for playing a high definition Harvest Moon


Do people on this forum even know what fun IS?

You don't need to play a DoL class, it's your free choice.
You can buy the catalyst, too