Warrior speed run of WP

I made a video to show some FC mates how my group does WP with a War/Sch combo. I was wondering if anybody had a video of a really fast run I could watch. We currently do it in 10:40 rather often, but were looking to go even faster. Ill leave the video here if anybody cares to watch :) We make a few small mistakes early on that would probably save a couple seconds in this one, but it shows how we pull. Curious if we can get it down to around 9 minutes or so without a ton of gear with a Warrior.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHtJpcexlEg

I added some music in because I didn't record the audio ><

Edit: Id like to thank everybody for staying constructive. However I really still would like to see an extremely geared group do this with a Warrior. Sure when you put me in a video under a microscope, anybody can make mistakes. But im more interested in if there are warriors able to pull more packs using a different method. Mainly the first room. I cant find anything under 12 minutes on youtube but I know there must be people that can do it faster than me with a warrior.

*In response to some comments*

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Originally Posted by ExarKun007

That BLM is a beast! Where is the last track from?

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Hah, that's my girlfriend... she perfectly timed everything in this video. It wasn't my best showing however as you can probably notice a few ill placed CD's. The track is a remix of the FF7 battle theme by NemesisTheory.

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Originally Posted by OmegaSinX

What a coincidence, I just finished watching this video on youtube. Although your slightly better geared than me (based on your hp, im sitting on 7.8k), I saw a couple things you could do to make it go faster.

Threat didnt seem to be a issue for you even with your BLM spamming Flare. So use Steel Cyclone when you can. What I like to do for all group after first boss is pop Foresight, Convalescene, Feather Foot Right before I gather them together. Overpower 2x > Prepped Wrath Steel Cyclone > Infuriate > Steel Cyclone > Vengeance> Overpower > BBcombo > Overpower > BBcombo> Steel Cyclone. If your party is doing it right, the mobs should be dead b4 you get to your 3rd Steel Cyclone, which could use for the next fight.

Also I dont think i saw you use Bloodbath which works very well with Overpower and Steel Cyclone. The HP recovered might seem minor but it can recover 300-600+ hp per Overpower/SteelCyclone because of mob mutiplier.

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From a math standpoint, using BBcombo's is a dps loss, even if theres only 2 or 3 targets to hit with overpower especially since TP is not an issue. Which would result in a speed decrease. And theres no way to prep wrath when your moving this fast outside of infuriate. The dps is relentless and they start right away. You wont hold threat on a geared BLM who is doing triple flares on 6-10 targets if your throwing BB combos. And wrath is not going to last from one pull to the next, mainly because flash is used to get snap agro on every group of enemies.

You are however correct that I never use Bloodbath. One of my many flaws, I find it so useless in every other aspect of the game that it hardly ever crosses my mind. I will try to use it more often. A valid point.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Internal release + berserk + bloodbath and have at it! :D
Biggest pull = moar self heals! Couple of flashes when pacified.

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I do love the threat and I should use bloodbath more often, heh. One thing I would like to point out here is that we do not use mana song because we don't have a paladin/whm. We use TP song and the occasional speed song instead. So my mana is very very limited, I actually need to store it up between pulls so that I have enough to make it to the end of the first hallway without losing threat to Eos or adloquiem. You can see me doing this on the way to the first door. If I flashed even once more on the first pack I wouldn't have enough mana to grab everything properly in the second pull.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Just remember never to couple Featherfoot with Vengeance. ;D

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Rofl, another valid point. I cringe when I do it, but I suppose my only counter point is that most pulls last less than 30 seconds when your going this fast and by the time im on the next one, they are up again or its a boss and I wont need it. Besides my healer needs all the help he can get from me! I mean im not a paladin after all!

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Originally Posted by Githiun

He's like, Focus DPS on boss. Gith's got the adds. i'm like..um..wait what? Both Dps were like...seriously the healer will deal with the adds.

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Although it hardly matters how you choose to kill them. A neat thing about warrior tanks is we can actually kill our own adds in about 10 seconds with just vengeance. A bard flaming arrow at the right time can take out another wave in about 10-15 seconds. Which allows you to focus entirely on single target dps for the entire fight.

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Originally Posted by ZodiacSoldier

Honestly I think WAR can do WP SR faster than PLD cause they do alot more AOE DPS, PLD only offers more survivability. But if you want to do WP faster you will have to replace your SCH with a WHM (or tell your SCH to level his WHM). There is this one WHM I know that can pull about 600 to 1000 DPS just from Holy Spamming, SCH can't really DPS when they are healing a Speed Run. Holy provides great DPS along with that AOE stun.

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I don't think warrior can do a SR faster, the current record is just above 7 minutes. And seeing as how I cant find anything on youtube faster than 12 minutes for a Warrior, I honestly dont know the warrior record but I doubt its under 8 minutes. Being able to pull an entire hallway and become immune for 10 seconds gives them a massive advantage. Even the weaker damage reduction cooldowns allow the WHM to just spam aoes. We tried using a WHM and while doing the pulls at this speed, I often died a lot or the healer could only get 1 or 2 holy off, which negates the entire reason for bringing them in the first place if they cant cast a bunch of it. When using a warrior the healer is forced to actually heal. Lustrate is great for this and was the only RELIABLE way to prevent a major damage gib...since warrior cant reduce damage currently by any significant margin, especially when aoe'ing. The bonus 20% bard dps with the scholar using shadowflare was enough to outmatch the WHM, at least for us. I might need more gear but I doubt it.

That BLM is a beast! Where is the last track from?

What a coincidence, I just finished watching this video on youtube. Although your slightly better geared than me (based on your hp, im sitting on 7.8k), I saw a couple things you could do to make it go faster.

Threat didnt seem to be a issue for you even with your BLM spamming Flare. So use Steel Cyclone when you can. What I like to do for all group after first boss is pop Foresight, Convalescene, Feather Foot Right before I gather them together. Overpower 2x > Prepped Wrath Steel Cyclone > Infuriate > Steel Cyclone > Vengeance> Overpower > BBcombo > Overpower > BBcombo> Steel Cyclone. If your party is doing it right, the mobs should be dead b4 you get to your 3rd Steel Cyclone, which could use for the next fight.

Also I dont think i saw you use Bloodbath which works very well with Overpower and Steel Cyclone. The HP recovered might seem minor but it can recover 300-600+ hp per Overpower/SteelCyclone because of mob mutiplier.

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Originally Posted by OmegaSinX

Also I dont think i saw you use Bloodbath which works very well with Overpower and Steel Cyclone. The HP recovered might seem minor but it can recover 300-600+ hp per Overpower/SteelCyclone because of mob mutiplier.

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Internal release + berserk + bloodbath and have at it! :D
Biggest pull = moar self heals! Couple of flashes when pacified.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Internal release + berserk + bloodbath and have at it! :D
Biggest pull = moar self heals! Couple of flashes when pacified.

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Lol Yupppp!! What I love to do on Single Target when I know A big Hit is coming is :

Butcher's Block Combo > Strom Eye Combo (Weaving Internal Release + Berserk within Storm Eye) > Blood Bath > Inner Beast> Infuriate> Inner Beast. Typically I can get 6k Heal from that. Then I use Convalescene to improve healing while wrath is down.

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Originally Posted by OmegaSinX

Then I use Convalescene to improve healing while wrath is down.

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This.
Doesnt get mentioned enough.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

This.
Doesnt get mentioned enough.

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Another Option is if you have a MNK leveled, Forgo Flash and and Use Mantra as CD.

On another note

Can't wait till 2.1. I have so many new comob's I wanna try.

Mega Potion of Vit + New Thrill of battle + Convalescene + New Defiance = 40% Healing + Massive HP Pool for 20sec

Mantra+Foresight+Feather+Bloodbath = "Can't Touch This" Healing Dance :P

New Vengeance + New Defiance = Massive eHp for 15secs + counter attacks

Holmgang > Inner beast > Infuriate> Inner Beast = War's Life Saver + 12secs 20% DR.

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Originally Posted by OmegaSinX

Foresight+Feather

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Personally i dont like this.
Featherfoot negates part of the bonus of Foresight: if you evade, whats the use of more defence?
I alternate them, and often use Foresight and Vengeance together.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Personally i dont like this.
Featherfoot negates part of the bonus of Foresight: if you evade, whats the use of more defence?
I alternate them, and often use Foresight and Vengeance together.

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yeaa i get what your saying but i feel that foresight is too weak when used alone.Right now Vengeance does nothing for mitigation but New Vengance and Foresight might be good new combo tho.

Just remember never to couple Featherfoot with Vengeance. ;D

Very impressive, god I love my class.

So inspiring!

I still need better gear for my war. Last speed run I tried was miserable fail lol

What does your gearing look like? Your lodestone in the BRD atm. DL chest, af+1 gloves, boots, and allagan legs from what is visible?

I'm a Whm and a PLD.

Ran a few WP's with one of my FC Warrior tanks. It was a freakin blast. I'm pretty good at DPSing to speed things up but he threw me a curve ball on last boss.

He's like, Focus DPS on boss. Gith's got the adds. i'm like..um..wait what? Both Dps were like...seriously the healer will deal with the adds.

F*it, i'm down lets do this. We Raaaaapppeeeddd that boss holy hell. I think we had one Ohhh SHH moment when he hit 84 hp after a grudget, Benediction and back to DPSing. Warriors are definitely fun to heal (as long as they have some gear cause god they get their butts wipped early on).

I just hit 50 PLD yesterday and after 8 WPs I must say WAR is 100x more fun to play for dungeon content.

Honestly I think WAR can do WP SR faster than PLD cause they do alot more AOE DPS, PLD only offers more survivability. But if you want to do WP faster you will have to replace your SCH with a WHM (or tell your SCH to level his WHM). There is this one WHM I know that can pull about 600 to 1000 DPS just from Holy Spamming, SCH can't really DPS when they are healing a Speed Run. Holy provides great DPS along with that AOE stun.

Id like to thank everybody for staying constructive. However I really still would like to see an extremely geared group do this with a Warrior. Sure when you put me in a video under a microscope, anybody can make mistakes. But im more interested in if there are warriors able to pull more packs using a different method. Mainly the first room. I cant find anything under 12 minutes on youtube but I know there must be people that can do it faster than me with a warrior.

*In response to some comments*

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Originally Posted by ExarKun007

That BLM is a beast! Where is the last track from?

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Hah, that's my girlfriend... she perfectly timed everything in this video. It wasn't my best showing however as you can probably notice a few ill placed CD's. The track is a remix of the FF7 battle theme by NemesisTheory.

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Originally Posted by OmegaSinX

What a coincidence, I just finished watching this video on youtube. Although your slightly better geared than me (based on your hp, im sitting on 7.8k), I saw a couple things you could do to make it go faster.

Threat didnt seem to be a issue for you even with your BLM spamming Flare. So use Steel Cyclone when you can. What I like to do for all group after first boss is pop Foresight, Convalescene, Feather Foot Right before I gather them together. Overpower 2x > Prepped Wrath Steel Cyclone > Infuriate > Steel Cyclone > Vengeance> Overpower > BBcombo > Overpower > BBcombo> Steel Cyclone. If your party is doing it right, the mobs should be dead b4 you get to your 3rd Steel Cyclone, which could use for the next fight.

Also I dont think i saw you use Bloodbath which works very well with Overpower and Steel Cyclone. The HP recovered might seem minor but it can recover 300-600+ hp per Overpower/SteelCyclone because of mob mutiplier.

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From a math standpoint, using BBcombo's is a dps loss, even if theres only 2 or 3 targets to hit with overpower especially since TP is not an issue. Which would result in a speed decrease. And theres no way to prep wrath when your moving this fast outside of infuriate. The dps is relentless and they start right away. You wont hold threat on a geared BLM who is doing triple flares on 6-10 targets if your throwing BB combos. And wrath is not going to last from one pull to the next, mainly because flash is used to get snap agro on every group of enemies.

You are however correct that I never use Bloodbath. One of my many flaws, I find it so useless in every other aspect of the game that it hardly ever crosses my mind. I will try to use it more often. A valid point.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Internal release + berserk + bloodbath and have at it! :D
Biggest pull = moar self heals! Couple of flashes when pacified.

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I do love the threat and I should use bloodbath more often, heh. One thing I would like to point out here is that we do not use mana song because we don't have a paladin/whm. We use TP song and the occasional speed song instead. So my mana is very very limited, I actually need to store it up between pulls so that I have enough to make it to the end of the first hallway without losing threat to Eos or adloquiem. You can see me doing this on the way to the first door. If I flashed even once more on the first pack I wouldn't have enough mana to grab everything properly in the second pull.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

Just remember never to couple Featherfoot with Vengeance. ;D

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Rofl, another valid point. I cringe when I do it, but I suppose my only counter point is that most pulls last less than 30 seconds when your going this fast and by the time im on the next one, they are up again or its a boss and I wont need it. Besides my healer needs all the help he can get from me! I mean im not a paladin after all!

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Originally Posted by Githiun

He's like, Focus DPS on boss. Gith's got the adds. i'm like..um..wait what? Both Dps were like...seriously the healer will deal with the adds.

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Although it hardly matters how you choose to kill them. A neat thing about warrior tanks is we can actually kill our own adds in about 10 seconds with just vengeance. A bard flaming arrow at the right time can take out another wave in about 10-15 seconds. Which allows you to focus entirely on single target dps for the entire fight.

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Originally Posted by ZodiacSoldier

Honestly I think WAR can do WP SR faster than PLD cause they do alot more AOE DPS, PLD only offers more survivability. But if you want to do WP faster you will have to replace your SCH with a WHM (or tell your SCH to level his WHM). There is this one WHM I know that can pull about 600 to 1000 DPS just from Holy Spamming, SCH can't really DPS when they are healing a Speed Run. Holy provides great DPS along with that AOE stun.

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I don't think warrior can do a SR faster, the current record is just above 7 minutes. And seeing as how I cant find anything on youtube faster than 12 minutes for a Warrior, I honestly dont know the warrior record but I doubt its under 8 minutes. Being able to pull an entire hallway and become immune for 10 seconds gives them a massive advantage. Even the weaker damage reduction cooldowns allow the WHM to just spam aoes. We tried using a WHM and while doing the pulls at this speed, I often died a lot or the healer could only get 1 or 2 holy off, which negates the entire reason for bringing them in the first place if they cant cast a bunch of it. When using a warrior the healer is forced to actually heal. Lustrate is great for this and was the only RELIABLE way to prevent a major damage gib...since warrior cant reduce damage currently by any significant margin, especially when aoe'ing. The bonus 20% bard dps with the scholar using shadowflare was enough to outmatch the WHM, at least for us. I might need more gear but I doubt it.

Warrior doesn't do more AoE DPS than White Mage, lol.

Like I said , WAR uses sprint then has to use Flash to hold agro because they have no TP to use abilities . PLD has more MP and Flash does a bit more enmity and blinds .

There is no way a WAR would be faster than a PLD at speed run . Just like a WHM is far superior than a SCH at speed run easily .

Try adding a second BLM instead of the BRD.

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Originally Posted by Churchill

Warrior doesn't do more AoE DPS than White Mage, lol.

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you read that wrong.. try again:

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Originally Posted by ZodiacSoldier

Honestly I think WAR can do WP SR faster than PLD cause they do alot more AOE DPS, PLD only offers more survivability.

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Have you tried using selene for the DPS buff ?

Heals are pretty much the same overall only the buffs differ really, and tbh you were not really struggling with health.

Also,

Any chance you can get the sch to pop the sacred soil on the larger pulls

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Originally Posted by Sasagawa

Have you tried using selene for the DPS buff ?

Heals are pretty much the same overall only the buffs differ really, and tbh you were not really struggling with health.

Also,

Any chance you can get the sch to pop the sacred soil on the larger pulls

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This isn't a bad idea for selene, I'll run that by my scholar. The video doesn't show it obviously, but I get bursted down occasionally on the first and last pull. We try to have 6 lustrates ready on each. This is the main reason we find white mage so unreliable with warrior. I'll see what he thinks about sacred soil too.

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Originally Posted by Cael

This isn't a bad idea for selene, I'll run that by my scholar. The video doesn't show it obviously, but I get bursted down occasionally on the first and last pull. We try to have 6 lustrates ready on each. This is the main reason we find white mage so unreliable with warrior. I'll see what he thinks about sacred soil too.

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This is why I prefer to throw down shadow flare over soil. Lustrate is just amazing.

Well played, sir!

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Originally Posted by Sasagawa

Any chance you can get the sch to pop the sacred soil on the larger pulls

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Shadowflare and Sacred Soil can't be up at the same time if cast by the same SCH. Limit on ground based effects or some nonsense, but casting one will immediately end the other.

Sacred Soil is just 10% damage reduction for 15s (30s cooldown) and does no damage. Shadowflare does damage for 30s (possibly cleric stanced - believe it's 250 potency over the entire duration), which is useful for a speedrun, and all but guarantees Slow (20% slower auto attacks/casts, I think) on anything standing in it that isn't immune. The slow lasts until Shadowflare goes away (slow debuff doesn't have a timer), so no diminishing returns to worry about either unlike Lethargy or Feint.

Soil also costs an Aetherflow charge, which is one less Lustrate (or maybe two!) that's available per minute. When it works (aka, applies Slow), Shadowflare wins by a mile.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcNVJYTAZow

9:38 run w/ WHM. Seems like there was a few mistakes too and TP apparently isn't enough of an issue to run BRD + BLM. 2 properly geared BLM could probably burn through trash in only a few seconds too. Probably not going to reach sub 9 mins, but y'never know.

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Originally Posted by SpookyGhost

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcNVJYTAZow

9:38 run w/ WHM. Seems like there was a few mistakes too and TP apparently isn't enough of an issue to run BRD + BLM. 2 properly geared BLM could probably burn through trash in only a few seconds too. Probably not going to reach sub 9 mins, but y'never know.

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See now this is what I was looking for, looks like somebody heeded the call and posted it yesterday :P

Id imagine tp isn't an issue because of just how damn fast they are killing everything, looks like the WHM stabilizes the warrior then goes all out holy 4 or 5 times. A solid run.

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Originally Posted by Vortok

Shadowflare and Sacred Soil can't be up at the same time if cast by the same SCH. Limit on ground based effects or some nonsense, but casting one will immediately end the other.

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good to know.

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Originally Posted by Githiun

I'm a Whm and a PLD.

Ran a few WP's with one of my FC Warrior tanks. It was a freakin blast. I'm pretty good at DPSing to speed things up but he threw me a curve ball on last boss.

He's like, Focus DPS on boss. Gith's got the adds. i'm like..um..wait what? Both Dps were like...seriously the healer will deal with the adds.

F*it, i'm down lets do this. We Raaaaapppeeeddd that boss holy hell. I think we had one Ohhh SHH moment when he hit 84 hp after a grudget, Benediction and back to DPSing. Warriors are definitely fun to heal (as long as they have some gear cause god they get their butts wipped early on).

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I too have done this... yes!!! Whm controls adds and everyone goes nuts!!!

Also, my mind was totally blown.