Titan HM, best party setup

Today I farmed Titan HM a little with a relic/relic+1 group, and I ended up wondering which could be the best party setup for this battle.
In my opinion, the best party ever is:
1 WHM
1 SCH
1 PLD (tank)
1 WAR (dps)
1 melee DPS
3 BLM

WHM and SCH is clearly the best healing setup, so let's skip this.
PLD, at least until 17th December, is the best tank.
WAR can give a good stat boost to the party, and it is a really efficient DPS, but it can also be switched with a fourth BLM.
DRG or MNK as melee DPS for Final Heaven.
BLM is a huge damage dealer, and 3-4 of them are equal to true despair XD

With this setup, we downed Titan HM 2 times in 10 minutes each, the first two phases lasted less than 20 seconds XD

Do you agree with this? If not, why?

My best party setup is:
1 Paladin who knows to rotate CD
1 Scholar who can solo heal the whole thing
6 of any DPS that can stay alive
That's it really. Sure final heaven is nice but not needed. Why not bring 6 monks? They have amazing dps on single target and can keep GL3 up mostly through the phases. And with that setup, you'll always have Dragon Kick up increasing damage to all of them and you can have Mantra back to back to back to back to back to back with downtime of only 30s lol.
Warrior only brings increased damage for him and Paladin btw.

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Originally Posted by Lemon8or

My best party setup is:
1 Paladin who knows to rotate CD
1 Scholar who can solo heal the whole thing
6 of any DPS that can stay alive
That's it really. Sure final heaven is nice but not needed. Why not bring 6 monks? They have amazing dps on single target and can keep GL3 up mostly through the phases. And with that setup, you'll always have Dragon Kick up increasing damage to all of them and you can have Mantra back to back to back to back to back to back with downtime of only 30s lol.
Warrior only brings increased damage for him and Paladin btw.

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BLM is a bit more powerful than all the other dps classes, this is what Yoshida said.
Final Heaven is a lot useful because it deals double the damage than DoM LBs.
Solo healing is good for a "just for fun" run, but when you want to farm Titan I don't think it is reliable, I never tried though.
This is what I think :)

1 bard
2 blm/smn
1 monk/drg
2 sch
1 war

3 Equally Geared Bards and BLMs on a titan fight.. it wont even be close. Bard will win hands down, and therefore, should be the majority dps, and not BLM. I have both jobs equally geared, and frequently sell titan runs, when I come on my black mage (which is slightly better geared than my BRD) my FC mates always tell me "GET BACK ON BARD" which I have no problem with because I love both jobs. But yeah, BRD is vastly superior to BLM on just about every aspect of this fight.

I agree, but will it compare with Foe + 2 Blm? The quickest I ever beat Titan was with the group I listed but it was 2 blm/1mnk and allegen +1 War iirc we only dealt with 2 mb's maybe 3. Hmm maybe it was 3 or 4, either way it was so fast I can't remember correctly.

That's an interesting point, would certainly make it a lot closer. But still, Foe has a much shorter up time than the other songs, and even though you're buffing the damage of the 2 BLMs, you're still missing the constant DPS from 2 BRDs. It would be an interesting thing to see the numbers on. Perhaps 2BRD+1BLM so you could have double foe duration would be optimal?

Remember, BRDs will be nerfed really soon.
And today I downed Titan HM twice in a row with no wipes without using Mage's Ballad.
I think I can actually replace the WAR with a BRD, to get some buffs, but don't they cost 20% dps dealt by the BRD? This is not such a good buff. I don't really know, I am just archer lv16, but I think I heard that songs cost 20% dps.
I don't sell Titan runs (I don't like getting bad people geared, but that's off topic), but I can say I have good knowledge about this fight, and I suggest [WHM + SCH + melee DD + 3x-4x BLM + 0x-1x buffing class]

As melee DD, I suggest DRG since it will be strengthened upon A Realm Awoken release (12/17/2013), but until then it's the same (I am only WHM so I don't know perfectly which is the best Limit Breaker)

When I farm it i go

1 WHM
1 PLD
1 DRG
1 BRD

The rest aren't actually needed so you can bring w/e you want or ppl to carry

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Originally Posted by Norack

When I farm it i go

1 WHM
1 PLD
1 DRG
1 BRD

The rest aren't actually needed so you can bring w/e you want or ppl to carry

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Hm, 4man farming is a bit slow, don't you think?
You can get 4 BLM/BRD to raise your dps. Carrying people implies a much slower battle.

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Originally Posted by YanDere

Hm, 4man farming is a bit slow, don't you think?
You can get 4 BLM/BRD to raise your dps. Carrying people implies a much slower battle.

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It is a little less than 2 times longer so it isn't insanely slow, plus you get the added benefit of only having to roll against 3 other ppl as opposed to 7.

Also we farm it more for fun the gear is cool to but we are trying to do it more for the heart which no one in my party is to crazy about getting anymore now cause we have killed titan a couple thousand times and have never once seen that freakin thing!!!!!! I still think ppl are lying to me about titan dropping it <,< XD

He is saying for a base to farm quickly he needs that, the rest can be whatever or carry if you want. I think solo heal is obviously optimal and most likely easier as a whm, but unless you know one they are hard to find. So I find that dual Sch while one does dps or whm/sch works fine too.

Edit: Nm, lol 4 man? Ugh that would be so long.

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Originally Posted by Norack

It is a little less than 2 times longer so it isn't insanely slow, plus you get the added benefit of only having to roll against 3 other ppl as opposed to 7.

Also we farm it more for fun the gear is cool to but we are trying to do it more for the heart which no one in my party is to crazy about getting anymore now cause we have killed titan a couple thousand times and have never once seen that freakin thing!!!!!! I still think ppl are lying to me about titan dropping it <,< XD

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I help people with the fight constantly. Just a week ago I helped another person, who died literally 7 times through the fight, he not only got his relic that run, but also got the heart. Not to sound like an elitest jerk, but I've probably gone about 30 titans without even taking avoidable damage, and I have never seen one outside of that, forget the hundreds of prior runs.

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Originally Posted by Lex_Luger

I helped another person, who died literally 7 times through the fight

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I would sell Titan runs too, but I just can't give the relic to someone who will end up dying 7 times in the Coil, or will get cocky and insult people who don't have the relic like him.
I feel like Eraqus now XD
I downed Titan 3 times, but if the party is good it's reeeeaally easy XD
During the first try, I died because my sister started downloading while I was playing on PS3 (lol, something like 5 seconds lag), but she turned her PC off, I was raised and I managed to win with one SCH with me without Mage's Ballad XD I never had more than 1500 MP.
I was about to log out, when someone said at Revenant's Toll "wanna 4man Titan in bikini?", I'd have accepted if he had said it earlier.

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Originally Posted by Lex_Luger

Not to sound like an elitest jerk, but I've probably gone about 30 titans without even taking avoidable damage, and I have never seen one outside of that, forget the hundreds of prior runs.

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Are u trying to insult me or something? I mean im seriously asking that "Not to sound like an elitest jerk" line is throwing me off cause ppl only say that when they are going to insult ppl, but i dont understand what you are saying after that.

Even though BRD's get damage nerf that doesn't make them useless. The whole point of the job is support anyway. Besides , the simple fact that they can maintain dps while dodging makes up for alot. Healers benefit hugely from ballad after heart phase and Foe works wonders paired with BLM for heart. Every Titan party should have a BRD.

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Originally Posted by Norack

Are u trying to insult me or something? I mean im seriously asking that "Not to sound like an elitest jerk" line is throwing me off cause ppl only say that when they are going to insult ppl, but i dont understand what you are saying after that.

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No. I'm saying that it sucks that someone like me, who's done the fight hundreds of times, flawlessly many times especially as of late, has never seen a heart, yet people with no skill/ability get the heart.

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Originally Posted by YanDere

I think I can actually replace the WAR with a BRD, to get some buffs, but don't they cost 20% dps dealt by the BRD? This is not such a good buff. I don't really know, I am just archer lv16, but I think I heard that songs cost 20% dps.

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Foe's doesn't affect our DPS either way. It's just an MP drain and a straight boost for BLM/SMN/DPS'ing healer.

Ok so after some solo heal testing with a pug group today, I found that x2 Bard, BLM, DRG, Monk, PLD was extremely fast. I don't think we could sub the PLD for WAR though maybe a BRD for SMN would be better idk though that would prevent us from casting mage/foe. There was almost a mandatory mage balled after p5 for the WHM though. It was crazy that we would beat Titan's heart before he would even cast the 2nd Gaol at least on it's normal timing.

1 PLD
1 WHM
2 BRD
4 BLM
Abuse Requiem.

Best setup for speed kills is the following IMO:

1xPLD
1xWHM
1xSCH
2xBRD
1xDRG
1xBLM
1xSMN

BLM is among hihgest DPS but in a fight where movement is a big issue, they don't do as much as they could. 2 BRDs so you have constant Requiem up and they deal dmg while moving, and 1BLM and SMN for the benefit of high burst dmg+high sustained dmg through the SMN. SMN doesn't lose much DPS while moving as long as DoTs are up and while moving he can always just do Ruin 2 and Festers.

I just wish it wouldn't say "target is out of range" while fighting Titan heart on my mnk. I have relic mnk and +1 pld but the whole heart phase targeting issue for melee dps is stupid and broken. I like 4 brds and any 2 healers and my pld for speed runs. It makes it so constant/consistent.

titan HM is possible with 4 ppl? i dont know about that, must have insane dps
any video please :)
i pass titan and dont want to see him again >.<, may change my mind to face him for fun

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Originally Posted by Impurrrsive

titan HM is possible with 4 ppl? i dont know about that, must have insane dps
any video please :)
i pass titan and dont want to see him again >.<, may change my mind to face him for fun

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Titan 4 Man: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgM-e5r1oIM

Lol I left out blm from my earlier post. It was late I guess I was sleepy. So my fave party is...
PLD
BRDx4
BLM
Any combo of healers

Today I killed Titan twice again ^^
This time, if I remember well, I had something like
1 WHM
1 SCH
1 PLD
1 WAR (had to help him to get the relic, why does a WAR ask for help EVERYTIME I organize a relic party? XD)
1 MNK
1 BLM
2 BRD

None of the bards used Foe Requiem, but we did well in the end. Killed it twice, dropped PLD shield and BLM cudgel.