2.1 Pet Macro - Selene the Divine Fairy of BRD Nerfing!

With Pet Macros as part of 2.1, you Scholars won't be forced to drag 2 Bards in the party! Cheer everyone as Selene, whom is rarely used for her 'Random' Silencing, can be much more easily controlled and you can use her to Silence on command without 'Micromanging' the pet hotbar!

The Scholar can Silence? Wow, who knew...

Edit: this probably sounds dumb, but I actually didn't know this, neat fact!

Is this confirmed?

I would be so happy!

so what ur saying I can probably join coil now since 2 melee dps would be good in T1-T2? :o

I don't think she would be viable as a silencer even with the 2.1 pet macros. Maybe it's just an issue on SMN, but I've noticed a very noticeable delay between when you've pressed the button of a pet ability and when said ability goes off. That delay is way too big for silencing something when you've only got a second and a half window to do it.

Uhm...except at no point did you ever need two bards. Monks, Bards, Paladins, (soon to be Warriors) - all more effective at it than scholars.

Nevermind that Selene's silence is on a 40s cooldown.

Meaningless revelations are regrettably...still meaningless.

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Also, two melee DPS'ers were ALWAYS effective in Coil. You know...considering I've been running in a static like that for months.

or the tanks could silence.

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Originally Posted by Nahara

I don't think she would be viable as a silencer even with the 2.1 pet macros. Maybe it's just an issue on SMN, but I've noticed a very noticeable delay between when you've pressed the button of a pet ability and when said ability goes off. That delay is way too big for silencing something when you've only got a second and a half window to do it.

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Considering you'll be able to Macro it...? You cannot macros your Pets yet. We'll see how it fully goes in 2.1 but I'm considering this another part of the BRD Nerf to go along with crossclass changes.

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Originally Posted by Johnist

Considering you'll be able to Macro it...? You cannot macros your Pets yet. We'll see how it fully goes in 2.1 but I'm considering this another part of the BRD Nerf to go along with crossclass changes.

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Again, it's meaningless. Why would a macro change the timing? All it does is allow you to control stance rotations cleanly with fewer automatic skill triggers. It is still slow and it is still inferior to pretty much half of the jobs in the game.

If you are EVER using Selene for silences as a Scholar, you are doing it wrong. I'm more curious if anyone tested if Selene causes resistance counters - if so, all the more reason to NEVER use silence.

The uses in PvP are far more intriguing.

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Originally Posted by FinagleABagel

Uhm...except at no point did you ever need two bards. Monks, Bards, Paladins, (soon to be Warriors) - all more effective at it than scholars.

Nevermind that Selene's silence is on a 40s cooldown.

Meaningless revelations are regrettably...still meaningless.

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Also, two melee DPS'ers were ALWAYS effective in Coil. You know...considering I've been running in a static like that for months.

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rly? cuz here in gilgamesh it's either you got 2 brds or you won't get crap done xD..... >.>
btw what magical server do you play on?

Selene's silence cast is too slow and on too long of a cooldown, not to mention Eos is just flat out better for healing, which is what a SCH should be doing.

Fey Illumination >>>>>> spell speed buff

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Originally Posted by CrowBlader

rly? cuz here in gilgamesh it's either you got 2 brds or you won't get crap done xD..... >.>
btw what magical server do you play on?

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Right next to my forum avatar - Midgardsormr.

Also, you really shouldn't try to speak for your entire server. There was a brief period of about a week where people thought 2x BRDs in T2 Coil was a good idea. Then we became better players.

I've seen one MNK do all T2 silencing. I've seen two PLDs do all T2 silencing. Any combination therein works as good, or better, than 2x BRDs. The problem with stacking BRDs is that you must also run a DRG to keep your overall DPS high. The problems with running a DRG should be obvious - they've been discussed to death recently.

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Originally Posted by Ghasto

Selene's silence cast is too slow and on too long of a cooldown, not to mention Eos is just flat out better for healing, which is what a SCH should be doing.

Fey Illumination >>>>>> spell speed buff

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Wrong. Eos leads to major overheal by Turn 5 (assuming proper gear). Selene is the better choice for Coil once you get at least half ilevel 90 across the party. Eos is simply a throughput crutch and all DPS checks are tighter than any heal check.

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Originally Posted by Ghasto

Selene's silence cast is too slow and on too long of a cooldown, not to mention Eos is just flat out better for healing, which is what a SCH should be doing.

Fey Illumination >>>>>> spell speed buff

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Errm.......

Selene is overall better when it matters, Eos is better as the default "I don't care to control my pet" fairy. Though I'm guessing you're probably just being sarcastic.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

Errm.......

Selene is overall better when it matters, Eos is better as the default "I don't care to control my pet" fairy. Though I'm guessing you're probably just being sarcastic.

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Eos is fine when you are having throughput issues which most healers should have if only in mostly DL/Relic across full party vs. Turn 4.

Otherwise, yes - Selene is more universally useful with good gear.

One of the worst conventions in ARR is the one that dictates you have bards silencing ADS in turn 2. Tanks are usually the first ones to start pointing fingers because they don't want the party to realise it would go a lot smoother if they just did it themselves. Get this? it wouldn't even require that much of them. But shhhhhhhhh.

And don't dare miss that silence whilst you're are passing rot.

I'm confused. What about setting abilities to the hotbar doesn't already allow you to do this?

Or is this primarily a PS3 thing, on which it's a lot harder to target with?

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Originally Posted by KenzieLynch

One of the worst conventions in ARR is the one that dictates you have bards silencing ADS in turn 2.

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On the bright side, lazy tanks not wanting to do it themselves means getting a group as BRD is crazy easy, especially if you're actually competent and know how to push buttons.

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Originally Posted by KenzieLynch

And don't dare miss that silence whilst you're are passing rot.

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It's absolutely mind boggling how many ranged heavy groups will try to do weird rot formations and crap for passing it around instead of just doing the stack method. If you have 5 ranged you literally just all stand in one spot and let rot pass itself.

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Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch

On the bright side, lazy tanks not wanting to do it themselves means getting a group as BRD is crazy easy, especially if you're actually competent and know how to push buttons.


It's absolutely mind boggling how many ranged heavy groups will try to do weird rot formations and crap for passing it around instead of just doing the stack method. If you have 5 ranged you literally just all stand in one spot and let rot pass itself.

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I've tried the stacking method with a couple of groups but it didn't seem to work. Not really sure why though..

I've already successfully handled silencing in Turn 2 as Scholar. It wasn't that difficult to do so, but it would kind of draw my attention away from healing when my turn was coming up. Having a macro would make it easier though since I could just tell her to use it on my focus target instead of tabbing to the enemy first.

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Originally Posted by KenzieLynch

I've tried the stacking method with a couple of groups but it didn't seem to work. Not really sure why though..

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Depends on which nodes you end up killing. Chain Lightning tends to destroy the group rather quickly if you're all stacked up. There's also a lot more moving for healers since most lasers and firestreams will be targeted at the group.

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Originally Posted by Johnist

With Pet Macros as part of 2.1, you Scholars won't be forced to drag 2 Bards in the party! Cheer everyone as Selene, whom is rarely used for her 'Random' Silencing, can be much more easily controlled and you can use her to Silence on command without 'Micromanging' the pet hotbar!

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Although it should be mentioned that your stats carry over to the pet, and healer accuracy is pretty damn abysmal. Not sure if Selene's silence is a special case though.

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Originally Posted by Johnist

With Pet Macros as part of 2.1, you Scholars won't be forced to drag 2 Bards in the party! Cheer everyone as Selene, whom is rarely used for her 'Random' Silencing, can be much more easily controlled and you can use her to Silence on command without 'Micromanging' the pet hotbar!

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I wouldn't count on it. I have had no problems commanding Ifrit to use his stun ability but he is pretty slow to react, especially he he just cast another abiility.

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Originally Posted by Nahara

I don't think she would be viable as a silencer even with the 2.1 pet macros. Maybe it's just an issue on SMN, but I've noticed a very noticeable delay between when you've pressed the button of a pet ability and when said ability goes off. That delay is way too big for silencing something when you've only got a second and a half window to do it.

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The delay is only if the pet is already doing something else in the moment. It finish first it's attack (or healing), before it start to follow your command.