We are getting ilvl 80 gear and ilvl 90 elemental extreme weapons , next days. Cool, new content. Now, dev team, do you mind to give us 2-5+ more retainers, with this patch?
Most of us crafting/ rolling multiple classes are having heavy troubles managing slots.
Look at me: i even used 3 bank slots from my personal FC, 2 retainers full, and 2 char bags nearly full. To save slots i runned quickly all classes to 15, so i was able to destroy every piece of gear on the range 5-15.
Ending up with a few slots left.
A working armoire wouldn't hurt too.
Can you imagine how many slot spaces we will need for 80 gear, every gear slot, every class?
Seriously, you didn't plan we was needing more space? FFS give us retainers. :mad:
We will pay too, JUST GIVE US SLOTS. :mad:
Am i the only one here? :rolleyes:
[TO DEV TEAM] 80 gear and inventory slots..
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11-30-2013, 03:54 PMTeon[TO DEV TEAM] 80 gear and inventory slots..
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11-30-2013, 04:04 PMiRanOverYourMom
I mentioned the same thing here on forums, apparently people think that having 2 retainers is adequate compared to all the items we can obtain in the game.
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11-30-2013, 04:07 PMMags
I'm not at the point of needed more room as of yet, but I do tend to store all useful materials I find for a later use, but I don't because I tried before and I ran out of room on two retainers. I ended up selling off the materials and got 300k so whatever.
However I also like to be very organized and I agree that this game's storage capability just doesn't allow you to. No sort functionally or anything. I cringe each time I open my armory chest and see things so out of sort because each time you change a class, the gear it takes off just gets put into the first available open slot and not where you last put it. Annoying.
I'll add that over all this is a minor issue but an issue none the less. I have had to spend a good amount of time in the past to organize my inventory/retainers instead of playing the game. That is not what I'd consider working as intended. -
11-30-2013, 04:13 PMgamersince1976
I agree with the TC. As I've agreed with all the other people who have made similar topics. We need more space. More usable space. I would say more personal inventory slots over retainers, though. I hate needing to pull everything I'm selling off the market every time I want to check who has what where. Luckily, I have a great FC who have given me a tab of the company chest. But even that is almost full now.
Oh, and a sort feature most of all. Because, seriously. -
11-30-2013, 04:14 PMTeganLaron
They've already said they're not implementing more retainers this patch, asking again won't change that.
Also in the same post they said they are expanding the type, and amount, of items the armoire can store. -
11-30-2013, 04:19 PMTeonYep. We can only hope pushing the request something will change.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeganLaron
At least an efficent armoire, jee.. (why something tells me we will not be able to store ilvl70 /80/ 90 myth / allagan gear on armoire chest during 2.1? :rolleyes: ) -
11-30-2013, 04:20 PMMisaki
"Implementing" != changing server side config from 2 to 3....I'm sure it's game-breaking like talking to NPC while on chocobo.
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11-30-2013, 04:21 PMispanoFor many, inventory management is an integral part of an RPG, single player or multiple. Also, iirc, they did say the Myth JOB gear(ie not the acc/belt) will be storeable. There was a post about what will be added, I'll see if I can find it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teon
EDIT: Here it is. http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...23#post1599023
I swore I saw a post or something mentioned about Myth Job gear, could be wrong or they could have meant the upcoming AF2. Or just misheard. -
11-30-2013, 04:23 PMTeonWew, at least myth gear. Thanks for your replyQuote:
Originally Posted by ispano
What about DL/80/allagan gear/elemental weapons/ elemental extreme weapons? No armoire?
Seriously, we will pay gils, cash, but GIVE US SPACE -
11-30-2013, 04:28 PMTeganLaronBut the patch is effectively finished, it's not like they're holding out on you with retainers. If it was ready in time they'd have implemented it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teon
Yes, I'm hoping that the new changes to the armoire will be for those type of armour/items you've mentioned. I'm sure it will store Crystal Tower at the very least, if not Allagan etc. -
11-30-2013, 04:29 PMSeirra_Lanzce
they are actually wanted to upgrade the Retainer system but it was being pushed back to another patch.
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11-30-2013, 04:35 PMViolanteViridis
As someone maxing all the DoLs and DoHs, yes, a thousand times over. Please.
I would, however, prefer more retainer inventory slots than another retainer. Given the incoming housing items and PvP gear, doubling our current retainer space would be ideal.
And let us craft from our retainer inventories! I know some people would argue that it's immersion-breaking or unrealistic or whatever, but I'm okay with that since it would be such a vast QoL improvement.
Better yet, have these improvements require a quest. A really difficult series of quests themed after enhancing your retainer. -
11-30-2013, 04:37 PMispanoIt won't. Armoire is only intended to hold Gear that you can only get once, like Event Items or AF. Which makes it more likely I misheard about the Myth Job gear being allowable, and more likely to be AF2 if anything. So, no, no CT gear will go in.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeganLaron
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11-30-2013, 04:37 PMTeonTrue. I forgot to mention pvp gear and housing items. I mean, hey.. :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by ViolanteViridis
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11-30-2013, 04:38 PMTeganLaronIt was intended for that before, but we don't know what these "changes" are that they have made. I guess we will all just have to wait and see really :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ispano
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11-30-2013, 04:58 PMAirikay
I'm pretty sure you people have an issue with holding on to too many things. If you've already got gear for all classes, when you get the new CT gear you trade the old stuff in for seals. I've got all crafts, ak gear and some gathering and I dont have the issue. When I get CT gear I plan on trading in the AK gear. There's like 400 or 500 spots in inventory plus 25 spots for each piece of gear in armory. There really isn't any excuse.
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11-30-2013, 05:01 PMispanoActually we do, since I linked them. That's for 2.1, if they add something else in 2.2, we won't know for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeganLaron
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11-30-2013, 05:12 PMTeganLaronActually in your link they never once say that those listed items are the only ones that can be stored in the armoire. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ispano
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11-30-2013, 05:18 PMispanoRead what I said again. I said that's what's being added in 2.1. And if it's something for 2.2, again, we won't know for a while.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeganLaron
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11-30-2013, 05:21 PMTeganLaronI don't need to read it again, wow you have a real attitude don't you? it's quite sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by ispano
You said they weren't making room for CT items in the Armoire based on a statement where they neither confirmed or denied this fact. Maybe you are the one who needs to read things more clearly eh? -
11-30-2013, 05:32 PMTeon
It's k people. When or what WAS announced, amen. :)
We need space for 2.1 new content, NOW :mad: -
11-30-2013, 05:34 PMViolanteViridisThat's not the case for me. I'm sure others have the same problem, if not in terms of magnitude present in my case. Let me explain.Quote:
Originally Posted by Airikay
The only equipment I have is stuff I'm using or stuff I'll be using on my DoHs and DoLs in within the next several levels. This means that I have roughly two sets of tools and gear for each DoH and DoL. As for DoM, I have only one set of gear each for my Summoner and Scholar.
I've managed to create a system that ensures that all of these fit in the Armory Chest, so this really isn't the [my] problem. That said, I'd still welcome an expanded Armory, since I want to eventually level White Mage and maybe Bard or Black Mage too.
What I'm close to running out of space for is crafting mats. I'm leveling all the DoHs and DoLs side by side, so that I can minimize expenses by gathering and crafting the stuff I need for myself. And, because, well, I like selling things and making money off the AH. I only have one stack of each item [a few exceptions are things I need a lot of and use multiple times on a daily basis, like steel ingots, mythril or toadskin, but I carry these with me, NOT on my retainer]. I cleaned out my retainers recently and made sure to get rid of stuff that can be easily bought from NPCs and that I only have the base mats [like, I don't store both logs and lumber]. I really, really have tried to trim my inventory. However, I'm down to roughly one tab on each retainer.
If they give us better retainer functionality by 2.2, I'd be happy. But I'd really prefer that it be sooner rather than later. I mean, I'm only at 44 for my DoLs and 41-42 for my DoHs. I can't even imagine how I'm going to manage all that when I get to 50 on them all, or when PvP and housing come out. -
11-30-2013, 05:45 PMNeninI know quite a few people with everything at 50. Carrying the bare minimum when you have 4 DoM, 5 DoW, 8 DoH, and 3 DoL uses up 20/25 armory slots for most equipment types.Quote:
Originally Posted by Airikay
The ring tab makes no sense while I'm on the topic of the armory. It still only has 25 slots but you can have two equipped for each armor set... -
11-30-2013, 05:59 PMDooMost rpgs don't like you level so many jobs on one character either. The lag when using retainers, company chest, etc is horrible as well. Also the way the market board is setup, players undercut you all day so your items don't sell quick making it harder to free up space.Quote:
Originally Posted by ispano
Inventory needs to be increased and armory space as well! -
11-30-2013, 06:00 PMReiterpallaschLucky for you, this means that when you get these items, they will replace old ones that you can then get rid of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teon
As someone with all DoH at 50, and gear for every single other class/job in the game, I can say that 2 retainers is more than enough. Stop being a packrat and get rid of the stuff you don't need.Quote:
Originally Posted by iRanOverYourMom
Most accessories are shared between classes/jobs however, so with everything at 50 you actually end up with more room in the ring tab than others. All 8 DoH combined only take up 2 ring slots, for example.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nenin
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11-30-2013, 06:13 PMJynx
They need to start charging for extra retainers and using the cash flow from them to add more server side storage if that's their issue.
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11-30-2013, 06:21 PMNeninThe lodestone only shows 2 DoH at 50 so I'm guessing you mean on a different character.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch
I've always thought this was the worst argument against adding more space. So because you prefer to buy everything off the market when you need it everyone else should be forced to play like you? I'm pretty efficient with organizing my retainers but I still had to toss all raw ingredients like ore/gems and all HQ mats to fit everything in. -
11-30-2013, 06:32 PMDoo
Let's go over why inventory suxs in this game.
1) Lag - opening and closing retainer/company chest takes takes too long
2) No sort feature
3) Multi class = multi gear/craft items/etc needs to be saved.
4) Seasonal stuff/materia/etc
5) Market board promotes undercutting - items don't sell, more junk to manage.
Sorting inventory shouldn't take hours to do and regularly. It currently feels like a bad mini game. -
11-30-2013, 07:18 PMispanoThey don't have to confirm or deny it. The original purpose, regardless of whether you want or think it will change, was/is for items that cannot be obtained again. Every single item that can be stored in it now, and every single item that they are going to allow to be stored come 2.1, falls under that category. I don't subscribe to "They haven't confirmed it won't happen, so it might" I will view it as it is until they say otherwise. And they've shown no hints of what you want either.Quote:
Originally Posted by TeganLaron
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11-30-2013, 07:23 PMispanoThe leveling of multiple classes and jobs is why we have the Armory Chest. And in almost ALL circumstances it is plenty adequate. The only time it really becomes an issue is if you have separate pieces for every single class AND job. This can happen if you have Weapons/Tools for every single Class and all the Relics for your Jobs. You'll be short 2 spaces for those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doo
Also, undercutting is normal. If people are undercutting to the point it's cheaper to vendor? Buy it and resell, their loss. But otherwise, normal undercutting, is normal. You don't get to control how much people pay, if others want to sell for less, or sooner. -
11-30-2013, 09:36 PMLithera
I don't personally experience much, if any, slowdown with the retainers, but the reason it can be a little slower to pull up retainer inventory etc. is because unlike your character inventory and armory chest, the retainer inventory is not already loaded before hand. When you log your character in it automatically loads up your entire inventory and armory chest because the game needs access to your gear and items dynamically for things like gear set swapping and use of items in crafting and from hot bars.
The retainer inventory is only loaded each time you call your retainer and your items need to be quickly delisted from the market board as well so the "lag" you experience with the retainer is the time it takes for your client to send the request to the server to open retainer inventory, the server to delist your marketboard items, and then the server to actually pull your retainer inventory from the database. The more stuff you have stored on the retainer the longer that will take especially if a LOT of people are pulling up their retainer inventory at the same time as a server can only retrieve so much information at the same time. This is likely why they're adverse to increasing the Armoire storage ability as whether it's retainer or Armoire it's pulling from the same database so it's an increase in server side load regardless.
Look at it this way. In FFXI you have immediate access ANYWHERE to 320 item slots if you include equipped gear. and that last 80 was only just added (likely because the declining server populations made the load bearable for the servers). RIght out of the gate in FFXIV we have immediate access to a combined 399 item slots. Your Mog House gave you access to an additional 240 slots (Safe, Locker, Furniture Storage). In XIV the two retainers combined are another 700 storage slots. This is on top of the fact that shards/cyrstals/clusters store in their own separate inventory, and this game doesn't require a million gear swaps.
What it really boils down to is for the player base there will NEVER be enough storage because as soon as you add more storage people will just packrat until they're full again and ask for more. From 8ish years playing FFXI I know this very well. People would use up the inventory on every alt available on their FFXI account plus sometimes completely separate accounts (for dual boxing) and whine for more inventory... -
11-30-2013, 09:46 PMDeathbyfutureBring back Gobbie bag quests!
I know......no one wants to hear another "bring back something I loved from 11" post, but seriously.......gobbie bags were the bestest and I wish someone would bring that back. They can make them really hard or complicated or expensive, whatever, I'd be willing to do them for more space in my inventory.
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11-30-2013, 10:34 PMBeetle
Got all jobs to 50 and I dont have inventory problems.
Just need to remove all the useless materials & gear you dont need once you reach 50s.
For people leveling everything up at once it causes problems.
Some crafting classes dont use same mats so you can toss some of them. Also try to sell junk. Some items you maybe holds only worth 6gil because you can buy them with npc prices. -
11-30-2013, 11:18 PMTeonThat's why i wrote 3/5+ . I want more space? I buy more retainers. And more, and more, until i'm satisfied. Gil (preferably), cash, just give us more retainers! :mad:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lithera
Because of shared armors. Good luck with 80 gear storing your 70 old gear (maybe you will get rid of it, i actually love most 70 armors). Did i mention myth/allagan armor per class, stored, every class, accessories included?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beetle
Armoire would fix everything, i will never destroy 70 gear because lacking space. :rolleyes: -
12-01-2013, 12:52 AMTupsiWhich MMORPG did you develop? I'm interested in playing it and seeing how much better, successful and "limitless" it is since all it is apparently is simply changing a value, no programming, no assets needed and nothing to add in the game itself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Misaki
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12-01-2013, 01:07 AMAlkimiWhy would you keep gear that you are never going to wear again? Just keep the best for each job and ditch the rest, it's not as if this game has situational gear. Personally I have most things at 50 and one of my 2 retainers is almost empty and used exclusively for selling things on the AH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teon
Altogether you have 717 spaces for storing things, and that's not including the Armoire. How can this not be enough? -
12-01-2013, 01:15 AMDooMultiple crafting classes with crafting gear that hasn't been spirit bounded yet. Do I throw them away? I still can use them when I level another craft, add that to all your DOW jobs, seasonal crap, and you can get over easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by ispano
Undercutting is normal but in this game it's redonkulous.
No idea why players even defending how horrible the inventory system is in this game. I don't have to take that long sorting in any mmo I've played. -
12-01-2013, 01:28 AMAngelMoon
We're NOT getting extreme elemental weapons...Just ONE weapon for killing extremes.
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12-01-2013, 01:58 AMNaunetAnd this is why Certain MMOs are always increasing the available inventory and bank space in their games, as well as give means to expand inventory beyond base slots. It is not a strange thing to expect the same from XIV.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lithera
People store gear for more than just looks. Especially as we know a vanity system is coming, folk want to hold on to gear they have because they like the look of it. Though many people, myself included, would hold onto this gear regardless of the presence of a vanity system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alkimi
We're not all mechanical utilitarians, and it's ridiculous to expect people to be. -
12-01-2013, 02:36 AMLithera
Of course FFXIV will expand inventory it's just typically it only happens with the launch of new expansions where there will be a large amount of new gear and items. The devs will choose when is best for adding extra storage BECAUSE people can and will fill it up and ask for more the very next update. We've been given plenty of space for what we have in game at this moment. They're expanding the Armoire for 2.1 which should allow for hoarding of the new gear in 2.1 just fine.