Start suspending posters

I've seen posters that will argue the same topic of 50+ posts while not one person agrees with them.
Make posts attempting to start arguments or simply keep a dead argument going.
Repeatedly take threads off topic.
It really brings the quality of forums down and honestly makes me dislike coming here to read anything other than dev responses.

I hope you the moderators will start taking some action other than simply locking threads.

I've been asking them this for a while already. These kind of users bring no benefit to the game at all since they aren't able to take part in a healthy discussion. They just want to impose their opinions and attack whoever disagree, very often also derailing topics.

Its about time for mods to start marking these ppl so, over time, they might start being removed from forum due continuous breaking of forum guidelines.

Well I don't think people should be marked for suspension simply because no one else (in the topic at least) agrees with their ideas. That doesn't seem fair to me. I think everyone should be allowed to voice their opinion, even if it goes against the popular consensus. Multiple points of view are always a good thing.

Plus, you've got to keep in mind that any voiced opinion will always have several people who agree with it, regardless of whether or not those other people actually voice their support. Not everyone who plays the game reads the forums, and not everyone who reads the forums sees every topic.

You misunderstood. Flaming/trolling are different from opposite opinions. So they are that the moderators remove them.

That's the kind of post that should end marked...lemme give an example:

Your current post is perfectly healthy to this discussion. 100% valid.

But lets say that instead you posted "Hey, you're all retard! GTFO!" This would be a classic flaming an does would deserve being removed. This is the kind of post that marking flamers would intimidate...because or the dude would stop trolling/flaming or soon enough he wouldn't be able to post for a while.

IMO this would make the forum content much more constructive and at same time reduce the load of stuff moderators have to deal.

If you think someone is trolling or making inflammatory comments, you can always report that post by clicking on the "Report Post" button located in the lower-left corner of each post. It's the button that looks like an exclamation mark (!) inside of a dark-grey triangle.

If the moderators agree that said post is indeed a violation of the forum rules, it will be deleted.

I know...but why having them to delete 1...2...5...10+ posts of a same person everyday? IMO it should have a limit for a person to be in a foul mood...and i'd love if it was visible at least for him...

If every time a mod remove a post it automatically add a warning point to that user's gauge, he will be able to see when he's about to be temp banned (gauge almost full). I've seen several forums using this kind of system and it always helped alot controling those with sharp tongue.

I'm in no way against discussions, but flaming/trolling need to be controlled...specially because these users often bring nothing good to forums.

Hmmm, a Warning Meter that fills up as your posts get deleted. That seems like a neat idea, and I can certainly see how it could help regulate behavior on the forums.

Just so long as it goes back down after a person hasn't broken the rules for a while, I'm totally in favor of such a meter. :)

Yep, i suggested exactly this to them (suggested by support screen, not here tho). If the person stay a month without breaking rules the gauge start decreasing...and if it gets full the user will be temp unable to post until it decreases (1 month). Would be an very simple, automated way to help mods controlling those more exalted users, lessening the load of work mods have to do and, over time, it might have users actually end moderating themselves since they will know if they need to stop trolling/flaming for a while, until gauge decreases a bit, or they are safe from getting a temp suspension.

Well I don't think temporary suspensions should last a full month (72 hours seems like a better alternative), but other than that it seems like a good idea.

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Originally Posted by Lienn

If every time a mod remove a post it automatically add a warning point to that user's gauge, he will be able to see when he's about to be temp banned (gauge almost full). I've seen several forums using this kind of system and it always helped alot controling those with sharp tongue.

I'm in no way against discussions, but flaming/trolling need to be controlled...specially because these users often bring nothing good to forums.

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Oh, I like this idea a lot. I was going to suggest a "3 strikes and you're out" policy, but a nice meter that goes up every time you have a post taken down by a mod is nice. Especially if it's part of your profile that shows up on the left side of a post so all can always see how troublesome you are - almost like a "this is how much sense I normally talk" bar.

In fact, couldn't you extrapolate this a little further, and have a positive side to the bar. Members who max out on the positive and have a lot of posts would likely be the kind of active member (that posts politely and talks sense), that SE could consider making a kind of sub-moderator to help them out potentially.

This sounds like a pretty good idea, the meter that is... putting a little RPG into proper posting.

That's a terrible idea. You want to give everyone a monthly trolling quota? Unless there's some advantage to having an "angelic" reputation (according to the mods), what's to stop someone from deliberately taking two strikes a month, waiting for it to go back down, then saying something classy about your mother because they know they can get away with it?

And besides, unless you're in lockstep with the FFXIV apologists, something you say is going to get you banned eventually. Just today they deleted an entire thread because one post in it made a comparison between FFXIV's update schedule and that of another MMORPG. I suppose you'll say that if someone had three posts in that thread, then they should be permabanned?

I agree that the arguing is absolutely ridiculous, on account of every single thread is derailed with "if you like FFXI then GTFO" and the equally vehement responses, but I think your approach is inherently flawed.

My alternative: 1-week bans for anyone who repeats themselves with no new information (ie "if you like FFXI then leave" three times in a thread or "SE can't do anything right" without justification, etc), 30-day bans for people who don't read the OP before they start to argue with it, and 90-day bans for bad grammar.

Would be nice, but being stupid isn't against the terms of service.

Lol this thread is gonna turn into one of those threads where people argue for 50+ pages about useless crap, but I'll give my opinion so I'm not a major douche. Certain people who are not constructive should get banned, but just because someone argues about a topic for 50+ posts with 3 other people in a thread isn't automatically grounds for removal. Just think about it in a real world setting, you're with six people having a tift about differing opinions. Just because your opinions differ doesn't mean you call the police and tell them "lock him up man his opinion is different and we talk about it for two hours, so you know what take me too"

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Lol this thread is gonna turn into one of those threads where people argue for 50+ pages about useless crap, but I'll give my opinion so I'm not a major douche. Certain people who are not constructive should get banned, but just because someone argues about a topic for 50+ posts with 3 other people in a thread isn't automatically grounds for removal. Just think about it in a real world setting, you're with six people having a tift about differing opinions. Just because your opinions differ doesn't mean you call the police and tell them "lock him up man his opinion is different and we talk about it for two hours, so you know what take me too"

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Sure you can, in lots of countries. It's actually pretty common for people who disagree with the opinions of the reigning power to be arrested or worse. Happens all the time in some countries even to this day. And even in the "free" countries with "freedom of speech" it still used to happen.

Just the same, I would rather that S-E not start banning people just because they're not in lockstep with the company line.