Giant Bavorois still kills me occasionally!!! >:-(

I'm a healer, and wondering what am I doing wrong that I still get killed by this guy?

I try to stay away from him, when target, I run away from him, and this works about 6/10.

Rest of the time, I am still getting one-shot by his flail!!

What gives? Tank Error? Something else I could do to ensure I never get hit?

Sucks to be doing a sub-15 minute speed run in WP and get killed by this guy!

Not tank error considering when it has you on aggro it can't be taunted off. Just keep running and hope your latency is good enough.

So run, keep running, and never stop till I see the tank has it?

Sometimes, it's not even on me, but notice I was standing too close when it did it's flail :L

That boss, from time to time, aggro other members of the party and the tank can't do anything about it, no one can, and after a short while, the boss will return to the tank if he/she is the one with most hate.

Few things you can do besides keep running, maybe using spring to get away faster, is casting Stoneskin and/or the water spell to push the boss (don't know if that will work but you can try it).

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Originally Posted by Maraf

That boss, from time to time, aggro other members of the party and the tank can't do anything about it, no one can, and after a short while, the boss will return to the tank if he/she is the one with most hate.

Few things you can do besides keep running, maybe using spring to get away faster, is casting Stoneskin and/or the water spell to push the boss (don't know if that will work but you can try it).

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Is there a possibility that myself, the healer, might actually have the most hate at that point?

Liquid Aura.

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Originally Posted by SniperRifle

Liquid Aura.

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Originally Posted by Maraf

That boss, from time to time, aggro other members of the party and the tank can't do anything about it, no one can, and after a short while, the boss will return to the tank if he/she is the one with most hate.

Few things you can do besides keep running, maybe using spring to get away faster, is casting Stoneskin and/or the water spell to push the boss (don't know if that will work but you can try it).

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He's a level 50 Arcanist, not a Conjurer.

Though Maraf is right, throughout the fight the boss will target someone, "Focuses target on--" and a crosshair goes over that player where it then seeks them out and wont stop until it does its flail.
The trick is to just plain keep away. It'll throw a fireball at you, and then shortly after flail. Just keep away the best you can.

Its flail goes off regardless how close it is to the target so if you're not being targeted then go hide in the corner, it usually wont walk there because people circle the room.

After it does its flail the tank should get aggro back right away. But during the time in which it targets someone, it wont ever lose focus so the Tank can't get it back until the end.

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Originally Posted by Forever_Learning

Is there a possibility that myself, the healer, might actually have the most hate at that point?

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If you're getting hit by the tentacle flail, that's not part of his normal move set. He only does that when he focuses on one person. Don't stop running until he goes back to the tank. If you stop when he stops moving you'll probably still be in the area of the flail and get hit.

swiftcast+stoneskin and run around, use sprint
should really not touch you

I've also noticed that latency plays a huge roll here. If you're experiencing high latency, the location you see your character at isn't really where it is. The boss could be right next to you when it looks like you have a good lead on him on your screen. In such a scenario you would be hit by his flail even when you're several yalms away at the time.

As stated already, Bavorois has an ability that when activated, targets a random player, and then begins to chase, cast and attack you until it uses the Flail ability.
Note for all that seemed to be missed, the ability is Conal (Invisible) and you can avoid the skill by standing to the flank/back of Bavorois.
Once the flail has gone off, his enmity returns normal. However you can still build enmity during this faze, so if the tank is not still generating any enmity. The others may end up with the enmity after flail faze.

GL ^^

Keep running and watch your aggro bar until the aggro is taken away from you. It's pretty easy, I never got hit by that (playing as DRG and BRD)

Little known fact: You don't even need to run from the boss when he randomly targets you. Just simply stand there and wait for him to cast fire, then run behind him. Fire will never finish casting and he'll flail right afterwards totally missing you and anyone else behind him. Same Mechanic as the Succubus Void Thunder and Rook Pox in Turn 4. Just wish more people knew this so melee dps wouldn't have to chase the boss down while the targeted player is running like mad around the room.

She doesn't always use Fire, though. I try to run in the direction that will give me the most distance so I don't get trapped, then keep running until I see that the tank clearly has it. Also make sure you're not standing in her way when she's chasing someone else since she'll still flail about if someone's too close infront of her (it's a conical attack).

If you have a black mage in the party: tell them to use Lethargy to put slow/heavy on the flan.
Warrior tank? tell them to Holmgang.
Any sort of bind attack? tell the DPS to stop attacking and use the bind until the tank has hate again

Other then that, are you using Sprint?

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Originally Posted by Songi

Little known fact: You don't even need to run from the boss when he randomly targets you. Just simply stand there and wait for him to cast fire, then run behind him. Fire will never finish casting and he'll flail right afterwards totally missing you and anyone else behind him.

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When I saw the thread title I was coming to say exactly this! Beaten to it!

I do this all the time myself. He doesn't always cast Fire first though. It's still easy enough to avoid since the flail comes roughly 10 seconds after he initially sets focus so just count to 8 (to account for latency) and run through him like normal, he'll probably flail immediately and even if he starts to turn he'll unlikely turn all the way around before flailing anyway. Just make sure your party knows what you're doing ahead of time.

On another note, I'm surprised how many tanks don't know you can avoid spell casts by just running behind or to the side of the caster. I watch tanks eat spells all the time and it's mind-boggling.

@SniperRifle, thanks for the name of the spell, I totally forgot. Ages since I've played my CNJ.

@CalvatE, thanks for point that out, I didn't notice, my bad.

@Forever_Learning, you have been given many advices so now is your turn to let us know if you survive the fight without being hit. Good luck mate.

if u have a brd, you can ask him to bind the boss. it always worked for me.

if you have a bard or summoner, they can bind him, dragoons can slow him. Swiftcast + stoneskin + sprint is what I do. Or, if you are feeling daring you can run behind him, though those cast times are rather stringent and you need to be there with time to spare without him turning around and sometimes you still get hit behind him. I suggest the run behind if you are in DL gear as you will likely survive even if you get whomped. However running is almost always effective, doubly so if you are stoneskinned just in case and someone slows/binds the boss to give you a head start.

As a healer, just popping sprint should be sufficient for this part of the fight. My BLM, which is mechanically in the same situation as a healer in that part of the fight, has never been hit by the flail.

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Originally Posted by Cassandaria

if you have a bard or summoner, they can bind him, dragoons can slow him. Swiftcast + stoneskin + sprint is what I do. Or, if you are feeling daring you can run behind him, though those cast times are rather stringent and you need to be there with time to spare without him turning around and sometimes you still get hit behind him. I suggest the run behind if you are in DL gear as you will likely survive even if you get whomped. However running is almost always effective, doubly so if you are stoneskinned just in case and someone slows/binds the boss to give you a head start.

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WHM can also Heavy with Stone to help you gain a ton of ground on the boss, and it actually lasts a very long time.

... if you're smart you can estimate the time it takes for him to use flail and fluid aura the boss away as well without all the running. As a side note, he tends to use fire before he uses it (if you're lucky) and you can just LoS the ability by running behind as he casts fire and he'll aim for where you were before moving when he finishes casting and does flail.

Was going to mention the same thing, watch the fire spell and run behind. Personally what I've done is wait at one corner of the room, let it come to me, then wait for the fire spell to go start casting, then run to the side (to break line of sight to cancel the cast) and just run to the other corner of the room. This has worked for me (as well as Sprint + running along side the edges of the room).

I have taught many a tank how to dodge the spell casts by running behind. It never hurts to try new things.

Never got hit.
You just need to cast Sprint immediately and run around the battlefield, making the boss lose your tracks. Run until you see the boss doing the flail.
Sprint is REALLY helpful, people underestimate it.