Coil T4 question. Is this enough?

Trying to avoid someone else leaving are group. (If anyone from are group see's this I'm no trying to offend anyone, I'm trying to help us get past T4)I'm not the raid leader but Id like to see if this is viable for T4. I'll list are jobs/gear followed by are issue. I'm open for suggestions. Everyone is on the conclusion it's a dps issue, I agree to a point but see below) The main question are we geared enough?

Everyone +1 Relic.
DPS:
MNK Full i70 crafted melded/coil legs.
Brd Relic pants/i70 crafted melded ring/rest DL.(New)
Smn Relic Body/Coil feet/Hero's ring/i70 crafted melded head/Rest DL.
Blm Hero's ring/Coil feet/Rest DL(Been Mia for last 2 weeks been getting a pick up Blm)
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Tanks:
Pld(me) MT:Relic Body, Head, Feet/hero's ring/Coil legs/Rest DL.
Pld OT: Relic Body/Hero's Ring/AK head(he's saving for relic)/Rest DL.(Main Drg)
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Healer's:
Sch(MT healer):Coil hands, Feet, Ear/Relic pants/Hero ring/Rest DL.
Whm(OT healer): Hero ring, Neck/Rest DL.

With that out of the way.
P1: We buff up, I grab spider's we aoe everything. We clear without holy or songs.

P2: Are physical dps are killing faster then magic dps. We have done this multiple ways. Are current method is OT's Knight, MT's Soldier > then switch.

P3: I grab the dread and move it across the middle so it eats the spiders. I then move it to the south.

Transition3>4:Reason for moving it is we can't finish the dread before P4 starts it's taking about 10-15sec's into P4 to kill it. So in order to avoid it eating more spiders I move it to where they don't pop/run to healer. During P3 everyone is stacking in the middle, besides the mnk so the OT can grab the spider/rooks quicker.

Dread dies, now everything gose down hill same thing over the last 4weeks(about 4hr's of attempts a week). Pretty much 1 of 2 things happen.

1:Within those 10-15sec's of finishing dread. OT die's, followed by whm(DPS hold Dmg till). I manage to get hate off dps/sch so now I have the spiders+rooks, P5 starts. Now I have the spider+rooks+dread > wipe.

2: Dread go's down I run to grab the rook the OT is not focused on, get hate on it. Try to dps it down faster. OT die's spiders/1rook now running ramped kills whm>blm. P5 start I grab dread > wipe.

I only see me and the healers eating decent/good food regularly.

Should I suggest food to be mandatory?
Should DPS be using stat based potions on P3?
Are we just under geared?
Can we agree or disagree it's a DPS issue?
Lastly please feel free to add tips/suggestions.

Thanks.

If everyone has Relic+1 and at least DL...you meet all the DPS requirements needed for T4 easily.

PS: I just read your strategy for the 4th wave. Your problem seems to be that you let the OT grab the spiders AND the Rooks. That's not gonna work. 1 DPS takes one Rook, another DPS takes the 2nd. The other 2 DPS finish off the Dreadnought. The OT takes just the spiders and starts kiting. The MT takes off the rook from one DPS and all DPS focus the one tanked by the DPS, then the one the MT took over.

MT and OT get in position for wave 5 and then you go from there.

PPS: The rook has an ability called "Dox". It's a single target ranged ability that reduced the targets max health. You can Line of Sight it or run out of range(but the range is long so you need a BRD to outrun it cause he is far away anyway). If the tank grabs all the spiders and the Rooks he can't avoid Dox cause one of them is prolly gonna hit him at any time which is prolly why he dies, cause his max health gets so low that there is no way you can keep him alive.

Personally as A SCH this fight, The sch should more on the OT. as the OT is going to be taking more damage then the MT. Adol really helps! I also find that using selene is great for the first dread - then after the 2nd spider group dies, switching to eos for healing is wonderful experience. Eos can be placed in the middle and she will help cover any dd that take damage so WHM can focus on MT and regen the OT every now and then. Just my opinion. ^^

We have our DD kill the 2nd dread first (after the DD handles the rooks), Melee LBing the Dread. The OT holds 4 adds, (Thus SCH/ I heal OT) the little spiders left over are fed to 3rd dread. Kill the adds -> Kill dread, stack on dread, bubble aoe heal win. Everyone has their own strat, you just have to find the one that works for you. *Also wanted to add that our OT tanks the FIRST dread - then our MT tanks 2nd/3rd. Gives healers a breathing room. If needed.

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Originally Posted by Mirakumi

Personally as A SCH this fight, The sch should more on the OT. as the OT is going to be taking more damage then the MT. Adol really helps! I also find that using selene is great for the first dread - then after the 2nd spider group dies, switching to eos for healing is wonderful experience. Eos can be placed in the middle and she will help cover any dd that take damage so WHM can focus on MT and regen the OT every now and then. Just my opinion. ^^

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I agree with this. The MT is usually the one taking higher spike dmg, while the OT takes more sustained damage over time. A WHM does a way better job for spike damage situations, while a SCH is way better for sustained damage situations.

Your grouped seems even more geared than mine as our DPS are mostly DL with 1-2 pieces of myth and 1 coil accessories, the only geared DPS is our Dragoon.

For our phase 4, each tank will take 1 rook, our DRG will focus DPS on 1 rook till it died then move to the next, the rest of our DPS, 2x BRD and BLM/SMN will aoe everything. I am one of the Bard so I will provide Mage Ballad for our tanks to use flash so they can hold agro on the spiders as well. For us the rooks goes down pretty fast, while spiders goes down slightly after phase 5 starts.

I find it strange that your OT dies so fast though, our OT who actually main a WAR sometimes goes as PLD with only DL+relic doesn't die in phase 4. Maybe TirionCrey suggestion where a DPS takes a rook and OT just kite the spiders will work since your OT have problem handling a rook and the spiders at the same time.

BTW it seems to me that your group DPS is a bit low during phase 3 dread, you should be able to kill it before phase 4 even starts. My group save all our cooldown to be use during phase 3 and I'll provide Foe Requiem for our BLM/SMN. Before we start using food we kill it just as phase 4 starts, now with food, we use dodo egg, we can kill it before phase 4 starts.

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Originally Posted by TirionCrey

I agree with this. The MT is usually the one taking higher spike dmg, while the OT takes more sustained damage over time. A WHM does a way better job for spike damage situations, while a SCH is way better for sustained damage situations.

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Thank you, you said it perfectly. ^^

The only thing I worry about about switching Sch to OT and Whm to MT, I think the sch might have more skill.
As a example: In Turn1 the other Pld normally the OT with start on Cad(Sch), While I pop slimes before split and then grab it when it dose so. Seems there's a 1/3chance I will die @3-4stacks while cycling CD's(Whm). T2 Sch heals tanks and whm dose others and throws some heals to assist sch if needed, we have no healing issue's here.

We have discussed Pox from rooks a couple times. I'm not sure if that's why he is going down so fast, it's possible tho.

Actually I haven't even noticed if the brd is doing foe for the dread on p3. I think people are avoiding food since so many attempts just leading to wipes.

Are idea was to finish dread, then have OT hold spiders+1rook, while MT holds the other rook and mnk assits MT>OT. While Blm+Brd+Smn try to aoe everything.
Would it be better to just single target focus the rooks and possibly 1spider, then feed remaining spiders to the dread?
My health is bouncing all over the place on the 1st dread. I'm really worried if I'll be able to be kept up when there's 2.

Thanks for all the comments so far.

As for the food portion of your post.

If the phase 3 DN isnt going down by time the spiders/rooks pop you're behind the eight ball a bit and dps is part of your roadblock. In my opinion anytime a lack of dps is part of the equation for wiping then the dps should absolutely be using food. The only time id advocate not using food would be while first learning the actual mechanic. You know the mechanic, now its time go use whatever resources to pass it.

In terms of gear, your dps check more than meets the mark. For example, for my alt group, our two bards both do not have plus one nor ilvl90 gear and our monk has no ilvl90 pieces at all, yet we clear the dreadnought without about 1-2 seconds to spare before phase four.

Not trying to be mean, but I think your dps need to reevaluate their rotations because the gear is beyond adequate to clear T4. Maybe tweek or take out some macros, maybe get some cross class skills they don't have yet, etc, etc.

OT dropping so fast means he's not dodging pox. That's a problem.

Oddly enough, my group didn't find consistent success in T4 until our SCH started focusing on me as MT while the WHM focused on the OT and party. You think that wouldn't be the case, but it is for us...

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Originally Posted by Kellogs4toniee

Not trying to be mean, but I think your dps need to reevaluate their rotations because the gear is beyond adequate to clear T4. Maybe tweek or take out some macros, maybe get some cross class skills they don't have yet, etc, etc.

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I'm gonna be an "a$$" and chime in on this. We one BRD T4 and so we don't use Foe Requiem as much as others do with 2 BRDs and we don't have a DPS issue, so your group should be able to pull it off as well. Also if your SCH is having problems he/she needs to reevaluate his/her CDs etc as well. Our SCH is in Full DL, Relic and only 2 itemlvl90 pieces(cause it's not her main so she doesn't use any Myth on SCH) and she's not having any problems keeping either the MT or OT alive. SCH has a large skillset available to them and if they are not using it as they should they need to get used to it and do it.

Whoever said that OT shouldn't be tanking every trash mob in Phase 4 is not true. He should be tanking everything and he should be dodging Pox from the Rooks by running.

If you are not killing the Phase 3 Dreadnaught within 10 seconds into Phase 4, you guys have a DPS problem (most likely your dps not dpsing optimally). Try using food and potions or make it mandatory for your DPS to use. Your group's equipment is not bad at all, but a few ilvl 90s should help.

Off tank can go into sword stance while DPSing the dreadnaught, ideally you wanna get rid of phase 2's soldiers and knights at the same time the bugs drop for feeding, then kill the dreadnaught before the rook/spider phase drops. If it takes too long for your dps to engage the dreadnaught then try to improve your dps on the soldiers and knights first.

Use potions if you have to and save your cooldowns for it, that's the single hardest phase in the whole fight.

Have the scholar dps for phase 3, the whm + fairy should be enough to heal through the damage.