The way they said is somewhat confusing. They say it will be implemented, but you can only vote when the person is DC, or AFK? Or it is everyone can vote and kick a player now?
I hope the Vote Kick is never in place though, there is so much abused that do it more harm then good. Like kicking people for watching Cut Scence, being a bit undergear, kicking people until they get a People with Relic, FC or Friends Que up and kicking people right when boss drop items, etc. or just being an ass.
Are we getting a Vote Kick on 2.1?
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11-25-2013, 03:54 AMZaikenAre we getting a Vote Kick on 2.1?
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11-25-2013, 03:56 AMcoffeeking
kicking would be awful...just let the game kick any player afk or something like that...
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11-25-2013, 04:41 AMHaibelhttp://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1587423Quote:
Originally Posted by Bayohne
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11-25-2013, 05:06 AMZaikenAnyone know what the limitation is for it yet? Or clarification of how it work?Quote:
Originally Posted by Haibel
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11-25-2013, 05:12 AMReiterpallasch
I for one can't wait for the vote to kick feature, just in case any of the "vote kick will be abused!" doomsayers get into a group with me. You know, so I can kick them :)
Seriously though, it's a much needed feature, and if they implement it properly it won't (and can't) be abused. -
11-25-2013, 05:24 AMAlcyon_DensetsuFrom what I understood during the LIVE Letter, there will be a way to kick people who are DC/AFK. He didn't say that it would be all the time, and there will be vote system to enact the kick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zaiken
However I disagree that vote kick is abused on a general basis. In most MMO's I've played, there always was a kick feature, and I've seen it abused much, much less than not. Really. Personally, I really don't think I deserve to be kicked generally because I make a point of being polite, explain things to others if they ask, wait for my group, etc etc. I also try not to suck when playing :p In my 10+ years of MMORPG, I must have been kicked out of a group like 4 or 5 times, usually by a group of people who didn't like me, and in one case I admit I was just not playing well (I still don't think it's OK to kick a newbie but at least I know why it happened, the 3 or 4 others times were just abusive). In more than TEN YEARS of MMORPG, 5 times maximum.
However in this game, seeing how many people behave, the sheer amount of jerkiness, I really can't tell. I'm still puzzled that the Final Fantasy community isn't nicer, because I thought that given the ingenuity of this franchise mechanics and game systems (especially solo titles), the positive values and philosophy of the stories, as well as the generally "nice" ring that FF fans have in real life when I met some of them here and there, well… I really thought FF fans were much nicer than many other communities. But nope, it's a CoD-LoL level. I'm quite disappointed, a bit sad about that.
Like for instance, Star Wars, with its very manichean and cocky spirit, I'm not surprised to meet jerks in the Star Wars community (they just 'fit' within the lore, Sith's lack of empathy, Jedi's condescendance, absolute 'good' versus absolute 'evil', when you admire such things it may say a lot about you, you know?); but the Star Trek community, given the values of these stories and the characters? Hell Yeah, the Star Trek community is just about the best I've known. Really really nice people on average. Tolerance, open-minded, great common sense, aware of this world's pains… The LOTR community is quite nice too, for that matter. Even WoW's community, that people like to tout as the worst of all, just isn't. Really. It's nowhere near as bad as it is here, seriously (played Vanilla, BC, a bit of Cata and a bit of MoP).
I'd have expected more of a "Star Trek feeling" than a Star Wars one here. Sadly, I guess I was very, very wrong about that.
Am I digressing? Yeah, a bit. haha. Well my point was that I never feared a kick feature but here… I don't know. It's probably a good idea to put many restrictions on it. -
11-25-2013, 05:26 AMHaibelmost likely a minimum time in the dungeon needs to be reached. like 5 miniutes in you can vote kick then, and probablyQuote:
Originally Posted by Zaiken
if the person getting kicked has contributed to a boss defeat they won't be able to be kicked. I wouldn't be shocked to see
if a person plays the dungeon at all they can't be kicked unless a certain time passes without activity.
I just hope they put a least a 7 minute penality on kicked people so they can't reenter. -
11-25-2013, 05:36 AMElim
I think the FF14 community is overall more jerky because we DON'T have a kick option yet. People know they can troll the duty finder(AFK forever, insult till people leave so they get a 15min lockout, pull mobs then let them kill people, etc) without getting in trouble. At least it seems like they wont. Not sure if SE cracks down on them afterwards, but the trollers get their fun with no immediate threat or punishment for their actions.
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11-25-2013, 05:44 AMCUTS3RQuote:
Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch
Totally agreed, the kick option cant come soon enough. :D -
11-25-2013, 05:59 AMBillie21
I thought there already was a way to kick a player that DC? Except right now, only team leader can do it (after XX seconds, usually not enough to allow the person who got DC to come back, if they got the "you're already online, come back later" error when trying to log back in).
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11-25-2013, 06:42 AMKeyblade
Yes lets add kicking to a already broken game . To just annoy the very few people left playing...
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11-25-2013, 10:30 AMHaibelyes, annoy the few hundred thousand left playing. gotta love people that think their own opinion = the majority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keyblade
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11-25-2013, 10:46 AMHarmonium
So lets imagine, if i have a tank, who are realy bad, don't write, and only use mutilate skill like i have already see, so don't generate any agro, so he don't tank at all. We can't kick him ? Because he move and are not DC. Now lets imagine we meet someone who want to troll, make us wipe, by doing bad thing, this is the same. I realy want a vote kick, when everyone do is job well, and comunicate, they will never be any problem. But when you meet someone who will make you fail the dungeon, what the point ? Vote kick is very good, right click, submit a vote kick, and explain the reason to all other member of the party. If its wrong, he will don't be kicked, because the other will don't agree with the reason. And i know what you will tell me, if you are with 7 friend, and you want kick the 8th guys at the end. Well, i don't know, maybe try to do something on this, but vote kick should be there.
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11-25-2013, 11:17 AMBillie21I've been against a kick function so far for the reason you are mentionning amongst others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Harmonium
But there might be ways to mitigate this specific abuse by not allowing use of votekick if the majority of players are "Friends" or FC-mates (in the case if the kick would be a majority vote).
In any case, it has already been announced that a kick function would come. Hopefully, "with restrictions" won't be dumb restrictions that leave vast room for abuse and/or make it useless. -
11-25-2013, 11:34 AMFreakiie
If it's only afks it'll be incredibly useless, as those people will find ways to abuse it. (Hey lets make a macro that casts a spell every 10 mins!)
People keep talking how vote to kick would be awful and constantly abused, yet at the same time the forums are full with threads about abusive players, afkers, trolls and so on, exactly the kind of behaviour that vote to kick can take care off.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Trolling is a lot easier when one person can mess the run up for the entire group rather than when you need a group to troll a single person. -
11-25-2013, 03:08 PMObreck
Vote to Kick is the lesser of two evils. It takes multiple people, the majority of a group, to abuse a well implemented vote kick system. It only takes one person to AFK, troll, chest farm bot, or otherwise act as a general disruption derailing a run.
In the MMOs I played with vote kicks I can only remember about two times where the system was genuinely abused. Already had far more troublemakers abuse the "take leave penalty or you're stuck with me, trolololo..." in the short time this game has been live. -
11-25-2013, 04:59 PMPikachew
If majority of the group doesn't want to play with you they should be able to get rid of you.
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11-25-2013, 07:24 PMReiterpallaschWell, ok, it can be abused, but it will take a significant amount of effort to do so if they implement it properly. Lets take a page out of Blizzards book:Quote:
Originally Posted by KraggyKor
- In all content, it's a "majority wins" system. However, there is a condition to this: If the group is a premade, they can NOT vote kick somebody by themselves. If 3 guildies queue for a 5 man dungeon and they all vote kick (3 of 5, so majority), it will NOT kick the person unless the 4th vote also says kick. This applies 25 man LFR content as well.
- In LFR, 5 unique people outside of a premade all need to first choose the option to kick before the vote will even appear to the rest of the group. The same rule applies to premades, as they themselves can NOT kick people out alone. They need the rest of the group to also agree. In which case, the person being kicked likely deserved it anyways.
- Initiating a kick (or taking part in one), automatically applies a cooldown on the person kicking. Simply put, if you vote to kick somebody, you can not do it again for a time. When that time is up, if you do it again, the next cooldown will be even longer. I've heard of it going as high as 8 hours before the person can take part in a vote kick again.
- Kicking absolutely 100% can NOT be done while in combat, shortly after combat, or with loot being rolled on.
I can't speak for Rift, but as for WoW, it's not even possible to do so (as I outlined above). In my 5+ years of playing, it has never been an issue in LFR (for as long as it has been around anyways), and very VERY few times has it happened in a dungeon.Quote:
Originally Posted by KraggyKor
If you've been on the receiving end of the kicks however... well, I can safely say that it's not a problem with the system. And with comments like this, I can guarantee that it was working as intended:
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Originally Posted by KraggyKor
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11-30-2013, 02:50 AMBillie21What you describe seems like a well-though system that would actually be usefull while limitting abuse. I'd love to see something like this here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch
I'm not sure I trust SE to make something as clever, though (sadfully).
But I guess it's pointless to fall into cynism, all we can do is wait and see. -
11-30-2013, 03:15 AMElim
In all honestly, I expect this vote to kick system to be completely useless once it rolls out. I don't trust SE to put much thought behind this. Their staff probably aren't tolled often enough to know how much it ruins the experience. lol
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11-30-2013, 04:16 AMcorticarte
you probly wont be able to vote kick if everyone is in combat and youll have to probly wait 90secs or something after out of combat to start a vote thats how TeraOnline vote system for parties was but was 120secs OoC
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11-30-2013, 05:42 AMRanzan
I hope they will be lazy and just copy WoW's vote kick system.
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11-30-2013, 06:14 AMashikenshin
I played a lot of wow, random dungeons and all, never have been kicked. I have voted to kick some people though...
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11-30-2013, 07:24 AMZakalweActually, pretty sure it is the fact of there being a multi-world DF where people can do things without reputational consequence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elim
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11-30-2013, 07:43 AMGrailer
I can see the vote kick being very amazing for doing titan . Before 1 attempt you can spot the weeds just by HP alone . Then after a few attempts weed out the bads , and eventually get a good group for titan hopefully before timer runs out .
Also for DF WP runs you could kick melee and hope for a BLM or BRD to replace them .
However I can see the baddies will be against the vote system . Any good player shouldn't be worried tho . -
11-30-2013, 08:45 AMJohnist
LOL @ Grailer's foolishness.
You cannot Replace Members for Titan HM or any "Trial" aspected Instance (Primals, Cape Westwind; Probably Dhorme Chimera and Hydra when added to DF).
/sigh @ Grailer's Speedrun arrogance.
Scum that boot Melee DPS (or try to) in WP should receive massive penalties and just make their own premade parties. I know if someone votes to kick me, I definitely will NOT apply to grant an MIP point to them if the kick doesn't go through. -
11-30-2013, 06:59 PMLWOLFX1End of line...
Due to vote to kick and now extra penalties for wanting to leave a bad group. I will say this one final time, Square enix should extend the blacklist to dungeons. This game has failed on many points and just as I was enjoying it the "elitist" now say if you do not do as we say (gear and combo's) you are gone. I fight as hard and have done my best to learn my class well. Vote to kick will not bring people back to game. Many might stick it out till the end while the elitists jump back to WoW or etc. But this is a long wait to be sure. If any true fan is left after 2014 Square better gets its act in order and actually listen for once. This isn't WoW and needs to remain so. :confused:
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11-30-2013, 11:40 PMSarcasmMisserConsidering you've also said that you lie to get into coil runs, you're probably a good example of why there should be a vote kick feature.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keyblade
If you are a decent player you have nothing to fear from a vote kick system. -
11-30-2013, 11:41 PMTeonTotally agree. The kick system will be as usual programmed accordingly to what we should expect from a japanese player.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elim
Aka a respectful group, kicking out a TRUE jerk attempting to afk the run, ruin the fun of others, having bad attitude. :)
Sadly, they truly forgot what kind of junk is the western community, and how many abuse will pop, out of their "for respectful japanese players" kick system. :rolleyes:
Or methods to circumvent it , abusing of "limitations".
At the end of the day, abusers will find their way, and way more jerks will have free territory to abuse of this feature kicking out innocent players.
We all know it's true, we already discussed enough about this community' sad behaviour :rolleyes:
My personal guess about limitations? The only limitation will be kick not available on queue. Wanna bet? :rolleyes: -
12-01-2013, 03:50 AMNaunet
People blow the potential for abuse with this system way out of proportion. I've witnessed vote kick abuse maybe two or three times in the years since it was implemented in WoW (and, incidentally, all of those times I was able to prevent the abuse because it requires my participation as well), and they fine tuned the system there so that it's now nigh on impossible to abuse it. All Squeenix has to do is copy WoW's vote kick system and they're golden.
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12-01-2013, 04:00 AMshanvhereFew HUNDRED thousand, get out if you do not like it the game is the best new MMO I have ever played, AND I PLAYED SINCE EQ1!Quote:
Originally Posted by Keyblade