Behemoth/Odin Fates? WHAT? WHY!

So for my final discussion topic for everyone because if there was one it must be on page 500 by now,

Odin/Behemoth have fates, they randomly appear and yay if you get them however, why?

Why are they not just instanced like other primals, I noticed in my problem we have soo many people we can't ever see Odin or Behemoth maybe the heart of Odin if we get lucky, in this fate I have had issues healing players, selecting them and even attacking, I just do not understand why these are fates why couldn't they be a 24 man dungeon fight or something or just an arena like the other primals.

I don't understand as well.

In fact, I've never tried going into Odin / Behemoth FATEs in my almost 4 months of playing due to the fact that it's too crowded and I might just get pissed off because of errors / smth.

that and its just way to hard trying to keep up when the spawn its almost not worth it if you have a life cause they always pop when your not around...

I tried Odin once on BRD. Never died, kept dps on him nearly the entire fate duration.
Came out with bronze reward, and never attempted again.

Would have loved theese major badass bosses to be an BCNM style fight instead.

I see what they're trying to do with the big fates like these two, but they don't work for these reasons. Plus making it instanced makes more complex mechanics possible.

1. Behemouth is no primal. He is more like a HNM
2. Odin was planned as a non-instanced primal since, ...hmm, 2012?

About the problem with not seeing Odin and Behemouth, fix is coming with 2.1

I like the random element, it's akin to the way that Odin would randomly appear in battles. It's too boring if everything is by the numbers all the time.

Or at the very least they could be FATE events that everyone can be part of but you can use the items received for participation to purchase an item that will allow you to enter a better tuned version for just a party or an alliance.

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Originally Posted by rocheetbombe

Plus making it instanced makes more complex mechanics possible.

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They can make the FATEs more complex, they just need to structure them better... Rather than "Here's Odin, go to town on him", they should have split the FATE up into several smaller ones. Something like;
First FATE, Odin spawns, doesn't use all his moves, get Odin down to X% after which he despawns. FATE complete, no Mantles though.
Second FATE(s), 9 Valkyrie spawn (see: XI Einherjar) each as their own separate FATE across the area. Can tie these into the main Odin FATE in various ways similar to how current Primal fights work (defeating Nails/Heart blocks insta-death move, defeating Sisters removes buffs, etc.). When completed they should give Mantles to get people to do them, but obviously not as many as Odin proper (if Odin gives 2 for Bronze (he doesn't iirc), Valkyrie gives 1, etc.).
Third FATE, Odin respawns midway during the second FATE(s). Works pretty much the same as currently, except now you have people doing the 9 Valkyrie FATEs as well, making it less of a zergrush.

Whoever at SE decided Odin should just be a single FATE, when we have how many FATEs about Qiqirn attacking Highbridge? Yeah... Fire that man...

These Fates are actually extremely fun if there's like only 3~5 competent parties (so around 40 people max) fighting at it.

Sadly the ideal condition is nearly impossible to achieve since the only way to have less people at Odin/behemoth is at off hours, but then you run into the dilemma of less competent players online to beat the Fate (apply more for Odin).

These two are a utter disappointment, i absolutely hate them. Never do them. I wouldn't have a clue what Odin looks like without screenshots as I cant see him and Behemoth, by the time I get close enough for the game to render him, i get 1shotted by something, i dont even know what.

Both fights suck.

I am just sitting here with my 10 mantles, looking at these posts. smiling :)

I too like the random element to it. It's not supposed to be something everyone can have easy access to. Its suppose to be a rare sighting. And its in there for all those people that wanted "open world NMs." Well, here you go. You've got two of them. I like that you get an item to save up for the actual reward instead of a completely random loot pool. That was SOOO aggravating in FFXI. Spend huge quantities of time hunting down this NM... someone else gets the drop.

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Originally Posted by Soulscar

I like the random element, it's akin to the way that Odin would randomly appear in battles. It's too boring if everything is by the numbers all the time.

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I'd like a random element for him to appear in another Primal battle. FFVIII had an awesome effect in the late-game story where you got Gilgamesh if you had Odin by a certain point. Why not take a note from that book - add in some type of Primal battle (Such as Gilgamesh, for ****s n'giggles), and have Odin have a % chance of hijacking your primal battle into a harder version. :P Could even make it mid-fight so you just see out of no where Odin coming down and one-shotting the boss, lol.

If I may...

-behemoth and odin has an invisible aoe range centered on them
-anyone who enters this range is susceptible to a debuff called "absolute fear" (or whatever else you wish to call it)
-behemoth and odin will start applying these debuffs to players once the number of people in their range starts going past xxx number
-anyone who has this debuff is invisible to everyone except their party members and they cannot apply any action to behemoth and odin (but can still be hit by them)
-this debuff is not curable but once it goes away naturally, the player will be immune to it for xx seconds and can start attacking behemoth again
-at any given time, there will always be xxx number of players not affected by this debuff and can fight behemoth and odin normally
-once a group of fighting players that werent affected by the debuff gets the debuff, the HNMs will switch his attention to a new group of players that are now debuff free
-debuff application and immunity has party prioritization (if someone in the party gets debuffed and taken out of the fight, everyone else in the party will too, and vice versa)

Basically the game will force players to take turns and hopefully have a chance of attacking the HNMs and try to do as much as possible while they're free of the debuff. Extra battle mechanics can probably be added too, like adds spawning and attacking people that cannot attack the main target. Timing and numbers adjusted after testing, of course.

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Originally Posted by kaidennightshade

So for my final discussion topic for everyone because if there was one it must be on page 500 by now,

Odin/Behemoth have fates, they randomly appear and yay if you get them however, why?

Why are they not just instanced like other primals, I noticed in my problem we have soo many people we can't ever see Odin or Behemoth maybe the heart of Odin if we get lucky, in this fate I have had issues healing players, selecting them and even attacking, I just do not understand why these are fates why couldn't they be a 24 man dungeon fight or something or just an arena like the other primals.

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Because there is no content of significance in the open world besides storyline and quests?

These are open world bosses intended to hush up all the ppl complaining about no open world content (obviously 2 big NMs isn't enough for anybody though). The stuff you're complaining about in these fates will be addressed in 2.1.

I do like the ideas posed here for the fights though, would shake things up a little.

I've been in a group that started on Odin to kill him from the beginning to the end - no deaths and LB'ed him. We got bronze - was complete bs. So haven't cared for em since. Plus Sleipnir chocobo looks awkward to me lol.

Also had this on behemoth, stayed for whole fight, never died, and got bronze/silver.

Can't wait for the changes.

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I actually don't mind them as open fates - Odin's fate makes the whole world adapt to him so it's a frantic to find where he is. lol