COIL ITEM DROPS BY TURN MUCH MORE DIFFICULT FOR SOME JOBS THAN OTHERS

I was just looking at the loot tables and for an example, you can see that BRD can get 2 drops from T1 but DRG can get 4 drops.
This is made equal by BRD getting more drops than dragoon later on in T4 and in T5. T4 and T5 is a lot harder than T1 so how is this fair? I noticed tanks, healers and casters get less on T1 also, while monk gets more. can't it be the same for all jobs?

Maybe it's to do with how the turns suit each job? Melee struggles in Coil as there's a lot of red stuff to avoid (especially in T2), so helping them early is a good idea. WAR/PLD actually get 3 items from T1 and 4 from T2, all of which are huge upgrades. Maybe I'm wrong but it just seems like they want to help Tanks and Melee early and Casters/Heals get gear later on. It could also be to do with how powerful the gear is in CT for Casters/Bards. You might already meet any DPS check in it whereas Melee might not.

I second the turn design thing SpookyGhost mentioned. It's not as bad for ranged dps to get into a group due to their relatively safer positions compared to melees in the first few turns. People have run turn 1 with all melees I know but it's not the optimal setup. My FC recently ran turn 2 with 2 melees and it does requires a bit more coordination on the dps part. I don't see why they shouldn't reward the melee dps for that. Also tanks actually has a lot drop in t1 and t2 as they're at the front line of damage and need that gear to survive boss's mechanics so they have 3 drops in T1 (4 for PLD) and 4 drops in T2.

Additionally, considering for bards you want mostly myth anyway, it's not a huge deal.

Couple more things to consider:
- Eventually it all becomes easy. In my FC 1-4 gets cleared by multiple groups every week. So 1 isn't really any more likely than 4 (at least for us). T5 is probably the same or soon will be for some people.
- You would have to consider also the likelihood of any particular item actually dropping. Don't some chests have 9 items, while others have less? That would mean less chance of some items than others.

In the end, I think you'll find it's clearly not "fair". Probably just happenstance as to who gets favored and they'll have taken steps to make it not *too* imbalanced. But ultimately not equal.

The loot ratio is horribly imbalanced. For some, it's a good thing. For BRDs like me, it's awful because all of our loot is T4/T5. 8/12 pieces, iirc.

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Originally Posted by BrandoH

The loot ratio is horribly imbalanced. For some, it's a good thing. For BRDs like me, it's awful because all of our loot is T4/T5. 8/12 pieces, iirc.

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The PUG factor for CT was highly anticipated from earlier announcements. They didn't announce anything unexpected for CT. If that disappoints you, maybe you should read more?

Cancel your sub, or learn to love PvP. There isn't gonna be much to do until 2.2, unless Extreme Modes are so relentlessly brutal that they take us a couple months to clear (unlikely).

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according to your logic u should cancel your sub or learn to love the loot imbalance. they didn't announce anything unexpected, if that disappoints u maybe u should cancel your sub like now

Just get a full set of i60/i70 gear and NQ relics. You can clear Turns 1 - 4 just like the people who cleared it world first.

I'm up to 9 clears of turn 1, 8 clears of turn 2, 6 clears of turn 4...

And I have a single ring as my only piece of loot. The RNG is a fickle bitch.

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Originally Posted by Godlafell

Just get a full set of i60/i70 gear and NQ relics. You can clear Turns 1 - 4 just like the people who cleared it world first.

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Pretty much. When we cleared our first runs through T4 in the second week of the game, my average iLvl as the MT was 61 and I was better geared than a lot of the other people.

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Originally Posted by Churchill

Pretty much. When we cleared our first runs through T4 in the second week of the game, my average iLvl as the MT was 61 and I was better geared than a lot of the other people.

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After 2 weeks you didn't have full DL? That's what I call lazy xD

To put it simply, myth hands, wrist both have ACC, using the allagan Hands and wrist I would not reach the ACC cap with the best food, rendering the 2 T1 drops for BARD utterly pointless. Dragoon get 4 from T1 not 2 like us and some of them are very useful. The earing in T2 is equally useless because of the ACC loss. The headpiece in T2 has ACC but so does the myth headpiece. Allagan weapon and pants and ring are the best pieces for ACC and they all drop in T5, essetially we have to beat t5 to get the gear to not miss on T5. This means I have to find the ACC balence to do T5 from buying the myth pieces, only real useful things from allagan will be just the weapon and ring. We need the ring in T1 or something, or the stats adjusted so we have ACC in our earlier allagan pieces.

I wouldn't worry about it too much. You can be easily viable in Turns 1-3 without a single bit of Mythology or Allagan gear. Depending on your role you wouldn't even need any for Turn 4. That, coupled with the Crystal Tower being added tomorrow for a weekly level 80 upgrade; relax and enjoy your outings to the Binding Coil of Bahamut, the loot will come to you sooner or later.

Myself, I enjoy seeing my friends and Free Company members gearing up; each bit of loot dropped is an upgrade to our group.

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Originally Posted by Ashira

I wouldn't worry about it too much. You can be easily viable in Turns 1-3 without a single bit of Mythology or Allagan gear. Depending on your role you wouldn't even need any for Turn 4. That, coupled with the Crystal Tower being added tomorrow for a weekly level 80 upgrade; relax and enjoy your outings to the Binding Coil of Bahamut, the loot will come to you sooner or later.

Myself, I enjoy seeing my friends and Free Company members gearing up; each bit of loot dropped is an upgrade to our group.

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I've been looking at the CT gear, some of that is pretty good for ACC. I'll be using boots and ring from there. I'll also get the AF2 hands and use them instead of Allagan. It will give me a bonus of 29 ACC. CT items are certainly useful on BRD for ACC. That way I can use critical hit food to close the gap on internal release 10% loss. I'll have full Ilvl 90 other than boots and one ring being 80. I was hoping CT had ACC gear for bard and SE delivered. Thank goodness it is Boots and not sandals, never been a fan of sandals. I believe the PVP gear can be used out of PVP, but one of the stat allocations is PVP moral and the Materia only works in PVP. I value the 19 ACC over 3 more dex in T5 for sure.

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Originally Posted by Ashira

I wouldn't worry about it too much. You can be easily viable in Turns 1-3 without a single bit of Mythology or Allagan gear.

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Thats not the point tho. Irregardless of it being BiS or not. Loot for certain classes is easier to obtain than others. What if they decide to change stat allocation on gear and BRD gear from Coil becomes BiS, for example? It should be distributed evenly between all turns. The same pieces for each job on each turn to keep it fair for all participants.

IMO Twintania should drop weap and chest for all classes. All other slots should be distributed between the other turns. eg Belt, boots, ring. turn 1. gloves, earring, wrist, turn 2. legs, hat, choker from turn 4. leaving chest and weapon from turn 5.

But, as a thought. Taking into consideration the new debuff from RoD. Will the present set of mostly Myth be BiS if RoD is kept up on the mobs? As that would allow more leniancy in accuracy eg not needing cap. In other words will it allow relocation of accuracy to other, more DPS orientated stats? Will it be a new factor to take into consideration....

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

IMO Twintania should drop weap and chest for all classes. All other slots should be distributed between the other turns. eg Belt, boots, ring. turn 1. gloves, earring, wrist, turn 2. legs, hat, choker from turn 4. leaving chest and weapon from turn 5.

But, as a thought. Taking into consideration the new debuff from RoD. Will the present set of mostly Myth be BiS if RoD is kept up on the mobs? As that would allow more leniancy in accuracy eg not needing cap. In other words will it allow relocation of accuracy to other, more DPS orientated stats? Will it be a new factor to take into consideration....

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You forget that some Jobs are more gear dependant than others. Tanks have a lot of their loot drop in Turns 1 and 2; rightly so, considering a healer can be viable in Turns 1-4 in Darklight and no +1, where as a tank needs to be well geared.

Still not true, lol.

A tank needs a +1 for holding threat and 5300HP and you can clear everything through Turn 4.